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AMERICAN/ISRAELI STATE TERRORISM OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people
From the very beginning of the Zionist State of Israel in 1948, One of the
earliest and most notorious incidents of Israeli terrorism was the Deir
Yassin massacre in April, 1948. 250 Palestinian men, women and children were
murdered in cold blood by Menachem Begin's Zionist "Irgun" group as it went
from house to house seeking to drive all Palestinians out of their ancient
homeland. It hasn't gotten any better since then.
Besides murdering women and children, Israelis routinely torture Palestinian
prisoners in jail. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the
mainstream American mass-media for 55 years.
Just to give you another example of who the Israelis really are: in 1946,
Menachem Begin's terrorist organization blew up the King David Hotel in
Jerusalem, murdering British nurses, in order to drive the British out of
Palestine. Israeli society later rewarded Menachem Begin by electing him
Prime Minister.
The United States government gives billions of your tax dollars to the
Israelis every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do things
it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American state
terrorism.
1953 - PRESENT
AMERICAN-BACKED GENOCIDE OF THE GUATEMALAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people
From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive
government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government
death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable
cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims - indisputably one of the most
inhumane chapters of the 20th century.
The justification for the coup that has been put forth over the years is
that Guatemala had been on the verge of the proverbial Soviet takeover. In
actuality, the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn't
even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem was that Arbenz had
taken over some of the uncultivated land of the US firm, United Fruit
Company [Chiquita bananas], which had extremely close ties to the American
power elite.
Moreover, in the eyes of Washington, there was the danger of Guatemala's
social-democracy model spreading to other countries in Latin America.
Despite a 1996 "peace" accord between the government and rebels, respect for
human rights remains as only a concept in Guatemala; death squads continue
to operate with a significant measure of impunity against union activists
and other dissidents; torture still rears its ugly head; the lower classes
are as wretched as ever; the military endures as a formidable institution;
the US continues to arm and train the Guatemalan military and carry out
exercises with it; and key provisions of the peace accord concerning
military reform have not been carried out.
1955 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE CAMBODIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people
Prince Sihanouk was yet another leader who did not fancy being an American
client. After many years of hostility toward his regime, including
assassination plots and the infamous Nixon/Kissinger secret "carpet
bombings" of 1969-70, Washington finally overthrew Sihanouk in a coup in
1970. This was all that was needed to impel Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge
forces to enter the fray. Five years later, they took power. But the years
of American bombing had caused Cambodia's traditional economy to vanish. The
old Cambodia had been destroyed forever.
Incredibly, the Khmer Rouge were to inflict even greater misery upon this
unhappy land. And to multiply the irony, the United States supported Pol Pot
and the Khmer Rouge after their subsequent defeat by the Vietnamese.
1957 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE LAOTIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: over 500,000 people
The Laotian left, led by the Pathet Lao, tried to effect social change
peacefully, making significant electoral gains and taking part in coalition
governments. But the United States would have none of that.
The CIA and the State Department, through force, bribery and other
pressures, engineered coups in 1958, 1959 and 1960. Eventually, the only
option left for the Pathet Lao was armed force.
The CIA created its famous "Arme Clandestine" - totaling 30,000, from every
corner of Asia - to do battle, while the US Air Force, between 1965 and
1973, rained down more than two million tons of bombs upon the people of
Laos, many of whom were forced to live in caves for years in a desperate
attempt to escape the monsters falling from the sky.
After hundreds of thousands had been killed, many more maimed, and countless
bombed villages with hardly stone standing upon stone, the Pathet Lao took
control of the country, following on the heels of events in Vietnam.
MID-1950S, 1970-71
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THE ELECTED LEADER OF COSTA RICA
From Rogue State
To liberal American political leaders, President Jose Figueres was the
quintessential "liberal democrat", the kind of statesman they liked to
think, and liked the world to think, was the natural partner of US foreign
policy rather than the military dictators who somehow kept popping up as
allies.
Yet the United States tried to overthrow Figueres (in the 1950s, and perhaps
also in the 1970s, when he was again president), and tried to assassinate
him twice. The reasons? Figueres was not tough enough on the left, led Costa
Rica to become the first country in Central America to establish diplomatic
relations with the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and on occasion
questioned American foreign policy, like the Bay of Pigs invasion.
1959 - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND STATE TERRORISM OF THE CUBAN PEOPLE
From Killing Hope
Fidel Castro came to power at the beginning of 1959. A U.S. National
Security Council meeting of March 10, 1959 included on its agenda the
feasibility of bringing "another government to power in Cuba." There
followed 40 years of terrorist attacks, bombings, full-scale military
invasion, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations...Cuba had carried
out The Unforgivable Revolution, a very serious threat of setting a "good
example" in Latin America.
The saddest part of this is that the world will never know what kind of
society Cuba could have produced if left alone, if not constantly under the
gun and the threat of invasion, if allowed to relax its control at home. The
idealism, the vision, the talent were all there. But we'll never know. And
that of course was the idea.
1960 - PRESENT
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION OF PATRICE LUMUMBA AND SUPPORT OF STATE TERRORISM OF
THE PEOPLE OF THE CONGO/ZAIRE
From Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII
In June 1960, Patrice Lumumba became the Congo's first prime minister after
independence from Belgium. But Belgium retained its vast mineral wealth in
Katanga province, prominent Eisenhower administration officials had
financial ties to the same wealth, and Lumumba, at Independence Day
ceremonies before a host of foreign dignitaries, called for the nation's
economic as well as its political liberation, and recounted a list of
injustices against the natives by the white owners of the country. The man
was obviously a "Communist." The poor man was obviously doome
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1948 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/ISRAELI STATE TERRORISM OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
Who gives a #@($?
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
S. O. Damocles wrote:
Who gives a #@($?
The people who brought the WTC towers crashing down give a #@($.
Any more stupid questions, numbnuts?
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I have great sympathy for the Palestinians but i fail to see any evidence
that the destruction of the two towers was done to support their cause or
was of a benifit to thier cause.
Maybe they should have flown the air craft into the jewish parliment ( a
valid target in a Palestinian Isrial war) and not target soft (inocent)
targets.
Every time a Heroic freedom fighter kills civilians thier cause is harmed
around the world. The targets should always be Military or Politacal and
never inocents (children, women or men).
Sparky
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SPECIAL REPORT: SYRIA
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The horror of terrorism again shook the world this week, as the Beslan =
slaughter of innocents revealed another nation under siege by =
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linked the Beslan attack to 'the worldwide network of terrorism' and =
demanded a more determined response to the threat: 'We showed weakness, =
and the weak are beaten.'
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generally fail to convey just how, political and intelligence leaders =
acknowledge that a key requirement is uprooting that worldwide terror =
network ? which uses the nation of Syria as a central hub of activity.=20
Syria, since 1979 a perpetual member of the U.S. State Department's list =
of nations sponsoring terrorism, continues 'to provide political and =
material support' to Hamas and 'to permit Iran to use Damascus as a =
trans-shipment point for resupplying Hizballah in Lebanon.'=20
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chemical and biological weapons were hidden in Syria. Additionally, a =
number of Iraqi officials ? including members of Saddam's family ? were =
granted refuge in Damascus after the collapse of the Iraqi dictator's =
regime, and many of the foreign fighters responsible for attacks against =
coalition troops are believed to have entered Iraq through Syria.
In a comprehensive report on Syrian support of Hamas in Israel, Gary =
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Since the mid-1990's Damascus has been the operational headquarters of =
the Hamas military wing and a nexus for the transfer of external funds =
to Hamas operatives in the territories. Syria and Syrian-occupied =
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to Hamas and safe havens for training hundreds of its operatives... most =
of the deadly Hamas suicide attacks [of 2001-2] have been linked to =
Damascus.
And the Syria-Hamas link remains in place. In the aftermath of last =
week's double suicide bombing in Be'er Sheva, Israeli Army Chief of =
Staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon pointed an accusatory finger at the Hamas =
leadership in Damascus, which most likely directed the attack: 'Anyone =
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Syria has long made opposition to Israel and the democratic West a top =
priority. When the U.N. Security Council overwhelmingly voted in favor =
of a December 2002 resolution condemning the al Qaeda-led hotel bombing =
in Kenya and the attempted missile attack on an Arkia Israeli Airlines =
flight, Syria voted against the resolution. Why? The Syrians 'could not =
accept the repeated mention of Israel in the text.'
Syria has waged three wars against Israel, invaded Israel's borders, =
supported Hizballah terrorists in southern Lebanon for nearly three =
decades, and ? as documented by Gambill, Eyal Zisser, Amos Gilad and =
others ? actively enabled ongoing terror against Israeli civilians via =
Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Hamas's top political leader, Khaled Mashaal, =
lives in Damascus under the protection of the Syrian regime.
The Syrians have a stockpile of ballistic missiles about ten times that =
of the Iraqi arsenal under Saddam Hussein, and have proximity and =
geography on their side. Former Israeli defense minister Moshe Arens =
concluded in 2002 that in the immediate future, 'the [missile] threat =
that Israel most likely will have to contend with' is that of Syria.
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(which continued for another 15 years). Since then, Syria has dominated =
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the while claiming its presence was necessary to ward off 'radical =
action emanating from Israel.'
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broker there. Just last week, Syria won a political victory as Lebanon's =
puppet parliament put off real elections, and instead pushed through a =
constitutional amendment that extends the expiring presidential tenure =
of Syrian lackey Emile Lahoud by a full three years. As Boston Globe =
editors wrote, 'Syrian bosses made a mockery of Lebanese independence.'
Finally, the United Nations has said 'enough.'
By a vote of 9-0 with six abstentions, the U.N. Security Council moved =
on Thursday (Sept. 2) to block Lahoud's false appointment, and once =
again called for 'free and fair presidential elections' to restore =
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international discontent was the United States' own 'Syria =
Accountability Act,' passed in May of last year, which placed sanctions =
on the Syrian regime for failing to fulfill its obligation to cease =
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ignored the U.N. motion on Friday (Sept.3), and as The New York Times =
reported, 'rubber-stamped Syria's order to keep its handpicked president =
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introduction of new rules of the game in a region contaminated by the =
kind of terror activity that Syria habitually condones, encourages, and =
harbors.
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minister visited Israel and expressed his solidarity with those fighting =
against the terrorist bands and nations that support them:
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above ? to urge your news outlets, community and elected leaders to keep =
the pressure on Syria, lest more terror strike the Mideast and the =
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
I have great sympathy for the Palestinians but i fail to
see any evidence that the destruction of the two towers was
done to support their cause or was of a benifit to thier
cause.
You're either stupid, or lying.
Maybe they should have flown the air craft into the jewish
parliment ( a valid target in a Palestinian Isrial war) and
not target soft (inocent) targets.
Then again the U$$A attacked the Taliban Gov't of Afghanistan,
even though the Taliban didn't attack the USA on 9/11, and not
one of the hijackers was Afghani.
Every time a Heroic freedom fighter kills civilians thier
cause is harmed around the world.
"Collateral Damage", sometimes necessarily unavoidable in
an asymetrical conflict.
The targets should always
be Military or Politacal and never inocents (children,
women or men).
Do you really think that the Palestinians, if they had M1 Abrams Tanks,
Helicopter Gunships, F15 Fighter Jets, Cruise Missiles, Stingers, Satellite
Intel and Targeting would waste any of the firepower on civilian targets?
When all you have to fight against an enemy that has ALL of the above and
more is some dynamite, C4, bullets and rocks, you can't always get close
enough to the military/political targets that deserve to be obliterated.
Sparky
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Tell me then in what way did the attacks help anyone.
No one feels more support for the Palestinians because of the attacks. In
fact it probably did more harm.
The film of tanks rolling into the refugee camps, now that helps get their
cause across to the general public. But every time the world starts to voice
sympathy some fool with a bomb blows up civilians, and that overshadows the
evil done by the Israelis.
I am only supporting the Palestinians cause, because of the unacceptable way
they are and have been treated by the Israelis.
The Muslim extremists holy war (jihad) as they like to call it, just
reinforces my opinion of all religions and religious fanatics. The World
would be a better place without them.
Im sure that would not stop the fanatics in the world; they would find
another cause to jump on.
Sparky
You will never convince a civilised society or person that the killing and
deliberate targeting of inocents, is justifyed for any cause.
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
Tell me then in what way did the attacks help anyone.
Well, they got Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda *EVERYTHING*
he had hoped for.
No one feels more support for the Palestinians because of
the attacks. In fact it probably did more harm.
Naw, only blind neo-con scumbags and rabid zionists have used the
9/11 to enharden thenselves against the Palestinians.
The rest of the world, and those few intelligent ones in the
U$A, started looking at the reasons WHY the U$$A was attacked,
and in humble introspection confesses that U$ foreign policy for
the last 50 years has been anything but fair or just to millions
of peoples of the world.
The film of tanks rolling into the refugee camps, now that
helps get their cause across to the general public. But
every time the world starts to voice sympathy some fool
with a bomb blows up civilians, and that overshadows the
evil done by the Israelis.
Only in the zionist controlled U$ press. The rest of the free world,
and much of the unfree world, know the Palestinians are fighting
a fearless battle against a much more powerful and rutheless enemy.
I am only supporting the Palestinians cause, because of the
unacceptable way they are and have been treated by the
Israelis.
Yep, and so are MILLIONS of others in the world.
The Muslim extremists holy war (jihad) as they like to
call it, just reinforces my opinion of all religions and
religious fanatics. The World would be a better place
without them.
Yep. The world would be a better place without ridiculous
superstitious hatred and bigotry disguised as "religion".
The 1st Amendment was the biggest mistake the Founding
Fathers ever made.
Im sure that would not stop the fanatics in the world; they
would find another cause to jump on.
Sparky
You will never convince a civilised society or person that
the killing and deliberate targeting of inocents, is justifyed for any cause.
Show me a true "innocent".
Were the 100,000+ civilians killed in Nagasaki and Hiroshima who were
deliberately
targeted by the U$A for not one but two, Nuclear WMD strikes "innocent"?
How about the 100,000+ civlians killed in Dresden who were subject to
deliberate,
continuous firebombing by U$/UK airforces, were they "innocent"?
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he strange thing about 9/11 is that it was rich people that got killed, is
this a first in history?!
1948 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/ISRAELI STATE TERRORISM OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people
From the very beginning of the Zionist State of Israel in 1948, One of the
earliest and most notorious incidents of Israeli terrorism was the Deir
Yassin massacre in April, 1948. 250 Palestinian men, women and children
were
murdered in cold blood by Menachem Begin's Zionist "Irgun" group as it
went
from house to house seeking to drive all Palestinians out of their ancient
homeland. It hasn't gotten any better since then.
Besides murdering women and children, Israelis routinely torture
Palestinian
prisoners in jail. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the
mainstream American mass-media for 55 years.
Just to give you another example of who the Israelis really are: in 1946,
Menachem Begin's terrorist organization blew up the King David Hotel in
Jerusalem, murdering British nurses, in order to drive the British out of
Palestine. Israeli society later rewarded Menachem Begin by electing him
Prime Minister.
The United States government gives billions of your tax dollars to the
Israelis every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do
things
it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American
state
terrorism.
1953 - PRESENT
AMERICAN-BACKED GENOCIDE OF THE GUATEMALAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people
From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive
government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government
death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable
cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims - indisputably one of the most
inhumane chapters of the 20th century.
The justification for the coup that has been put forth over the years is
that Guatemala had been on the verge of the proverbial Soviet takeover. In
actuality, the Russians had so little interest in the country that it
didn't
even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem was that Arbenz had
taken over some of the uncultivated land of the US firm, United Fruit
Company [Chiquita bananas], which had extremely close ties to the American
power elite.
Moreover, in the eyes of Washington, there was the danger of Guatemala's
social-democracy model spreading to other countries in Latin America.
Despite a 1996 "peace" accord between the government and rebels, respect
for
human rights remains as only a concept in Guatemala; death squads continue
to operate with a significant measure of impunity against union activists
and other dissidents; torture still rears its ugly head; the lower classes
are as wretched as ever; the military endures as a formidable institution;
the US continues to arm and train the Guatemalan military and carry out
exercises with it; and key provisions of the peace accord concerning
military reform have not been carried out.
1955 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE CAMBODIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people
Prince Sihanouk was yet another leader who did not fancy being an American
client. After many years of hostility toward his regime, including
assassination plots and the infamous Nixon/Kissinger secret "carpet
bombings" of 1969-70, Washington finally overthrew Sihanouk in a coup in
1970. This was all that was needed to impel Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge
forces to enter the fray. Five years later, they took power. But the years
of American bombing had caused Cambodia's traditional economy to vanish.
The
old Cambodia had been destroyed forever.
Incredibly, the Khmer Rouge were to inflict even greater misery upon this
unhappy land. And to multiply the irony, the United States supported Pol
Pot
and the Khmer Rouge after their subsequent defeat by the Vietnamese.
1957 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE LAOTIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: over 500,000 people
The Laotian left, led by the Pathet Lao, tried to effect social change
peacefully, making significant electoral gains and taking part in
coalition
governments. But the United States would have none of that.
The CIA and the State Department, through force, bribery and other
pressures, engineered coups in 1958, 1959 and 1960. Eventually, the only
option left for the Pathet Lao was armed force.
The CIA created its famous "Arme Clandestine" - totaling 30,000, from
every
corner of Asia - to do battle, while the US Air Force, between 1965 and
1973, rained down more than two million tons of bombs upon the people of
Laos, many of whom were forced to live in caves for years in a desperate
attempt to escape the monsters falling from the sky.
After hundreds of thousands had been killed, many more maimed, and
countless
bombed villages with hardly stone standing upon stone, the Pathet Lao took
control of the country, following on the heels of events in Vietnam.
MID-1950S, 1970-71
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THE ELECTED LEADER OF COSTA RICA
From Rogue State
To liberal American political leaders, President Jose Figueres was the
quintessential "liberal democrat", the kind of statesman they liked to
think, and liked the world to think, was the natural partner of US foreign
policy rather than the military dictators who somehow kept popping up as
allies.
Yet the United States tried to overthrow Figueres (in the 1950s, and
perhaps
also in the 1970s, when he was again president), and tried to assassinate
him twice. The reasons? Figueres was not tough enough on the left, led
Costa
Rica to become the first country in Central America to establish
diplomatic
relations with the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and on occasion
questioned American foreign policy, like the Bay of Pigs invasion.
1959 - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND STATE TERRORISM OF THE CUBAN PEOPLE
From Killing Hope
Fidel Castro came to power at the beginning of 1959. A U.S. National
Security Council meeting of March 10, 1959 included on its agenda the
feasibility of bringing "another government to power in Cuba." There
followed 40 years of terrorist attacks, bombings, full-scale military
invasion, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations...Cuba had
carried
out The Unforgivable Revolution, a very serious threat of setting a "good
example" in Latin America.
The saddest part of this is that the world will never know what kind of
society Cuba could have produced if left alone, if not constantly under
the
gun and the threat of invasion, if allowed to relax its control at home.
The
idealism, the vision, the talent were all there. But we'll never know. And
that of course was the idea.
1960 - PRESENT
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION OF PATRICE LUMUMBA AND SUPPORT OF STATE TERRORISM
OF
THE PEOPLE OF THE CONGO/ZAIRE
From Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since WWII
In June 1960, Patrice Lumumba became the Congo's first prime minister
after
independence from Belgium. But Belgium retai
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e wrote:
the strange thing about 9/11 is that it was rich people
that got killed, is this a first in history?!
Hopefully it won't be the last.
Eat the Rich!
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
Well, they got Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda *EVERYTHING*
he had hoped for.
So Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda are Palestinian then I always thought they
were Freedom fighters who after heroically defeating the Russians, could not
stop fighting so found a new cause.
Show me a true "innocent".
children.................................
The use of the attomic bomb by the USA is and should always be remebered as
the most cowadly act ever done by a Nation in a just cause.
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The US is a superpower that is kicking your terrorist butt.
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
So Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda are Palestinian then. I
always thought they were Freedom fighters who after
heroically defeating the Russians, could not stop fighting
so found a new cause.
children.................................
Palestinian children?
Iraqi children?
The use of the attomic bomb by the USA is and should
always be remebered as the most cowadly act ever done by a
Nation.
But, being cowards, they aren't likely to ever remember it that way, eh?
Now what about the firebombing of Dresden? Burning 100,000+ civilians,
women and children, alive ---
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Acharya wrote:
The US is a superpower that is kicking your terrorist butt.
Then you have nothing to worry about, wetback.
Except being forcibly deported when the neo-cons start
rounding up all the foreigners like you.
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Yes they have killed children but it is not the same a walking into a school
and blowing them up.
Now what about the firebombing of Dresden? Burning 100,000+ civilians,
women and children, alive ---
I seem to remember the figure of 35000 (not that that make a lot of
difference)
I could say how about 6 million Jews. And that figure is nothing compared to
the Russian lose of life by Stalin.
But i am shamed to be English when i read such stories. England should never
have stooped to such methods. Alas the military has done so far to often.
But i am fed up of people living in the past and using such atrocities as
justification for more of the same
Germany has moved on
England Moved on
Japan Moved on
USA moved on
Note that no Japanese attacks on the USA in revenge for the Bombs.
It seems the only people to hold a grudge are those of a strong religious
bent.
We should not for get the past but we should not live in it either.
Otherwise we are all doomed.
Sparky
Just as a point of interest what is your nationality S O Damocles
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
Yes they have killed children but it is not the same a
walking into a school and blowing them up.
Really? Do the dead children feel any differently?
I seem to remember the figure of 35000 (not that that make
a lot of difference)
No, actually is was equal to or slightly larger than
the Nuclear Bombing of Civilains of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
I could say how about 6 million Jews. And that figure is
nothing compared to the Russian lose of life by Stalin.
And nothing compared to the Russian loss of life actually
FIGHTING against Hitler.
But i am shamed to be English when i read such stories.
As you should be. Now explain how you sods allowed
Tony Blair to march England in support of the Criminal Madman
GW Bu$h?
England should never have stooped to such methods. Alas the
military has done so far to often.
But i am fed up of people living in the past
No one is living in the past by citing past mistakes in
an effort to avoid current and future mistakes, you
wanker.
and using such
atrocities as justification for more of the same.
England Moved on
to supporting the Criminal Insanity of the U$$A.
USA moved on
to illegal wars of imperialist aggression based on lies and
deceptions.
Note that no Japanese attacks on the USA in revenge for the
Bombs.
They got their revenge financially.
It seems the only people to hold a grudge are those of a
strong religious bent.
So you wouldn't care or hold a grudge againt some belligerant
maniac who murders your family? How quaint.
We should not for get the past but we should not live in it
either.
No one is living in it. The reason it is cited so often is that
the "average 'murrikan" has an IQ lower than Bu$h the idiot,
and no comprehension of history, or it's lessons.
Otherwise we are all doomed.
Sparky
Just as a point of interest what is your nationality S O
Damocles
Citizen of Planet Earth.
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Well as you seem to have to resort to insults to make your argument, I shall
have to put you and your opinions into that group @$#* wits that believe the
ends justifies the means
And by the way your math is very suspect, just cos you quote the most
extreme estimates dose not make it truth.
You claim to be a citizen of Planet Earth very commendable claim,
Unfortunately if people like you dont grow up their will soon were no
Planetary Civilization just tribes at WAR.
If you had any idea about British democracy you would know that that @$#*
Blair took the country to war without the support of the majority of its
peoples and there was @$#* all we could do about it, until he stands for
Election again. Then hopefully he will get the kicking he deserves.
You should never blame a populous for the actions of the politicos, no
populous
has real control over the actions of their governments.
No matter who you vote for they are all self serving pricks and crooks, not
voting is the only real protest left and what dose that gain you, a bloody
huge majority and a scumbag dictator who can do as he pleases.
But enough of this chat you are clearly of the loony political variety who
blames the USA and the West for all the world troubles even when you know
that most of these conflicts have been going on long before the Yanks stuck
their big nose into them.
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"S. O. Damocles"
There once was a king whose name was Dionysius. He was so unjust and cruel
that he won himself the name of tyrant. He knew that almost everybody hated
him, and so he was always in dread lest some one should take his life.
____But he was very rich, and he lived in a fine palace where there were
many beautiful and costly things, and he was waited upon by a host of
servants who were always ready to do his bidding. One day a friend of his,
whose name was Damocles, said to him -
____"How happy you must be! You have here everything that any man could
wish."
____"Perhaps you would like to trade places with me," said the tyrant.
____"No, not that, O king!" said Damocles; "but I think that, if I could
only have your riches and your pleasures for one day, I should not want any
greater happiness."
____"Very well," said the tyrant. "You shall have them."
____And so, the next day, Damocles was led into the palace, and all the
servants were bidden to treat him as their master. He sat down at a table in
the banquet hall, and rich foods were placed before him. Nothing was wanting
that could give him pleasure. There were costly wines, and beautiful
flowers, and rare perfumes, and delightful music. He rested among soft
cushions, and felt that he was the happiest man in all the world.
____Then he chanced to raise his eyes toward the ceiling. What was it that
was dangling above him, with it's point almost touching his head? It was a
sharp sword, and it was hung by only a single horsehair. What if the hair
should break? There was danger every moment that it would do so.
____The smile faded from the lips of Damocles. His face became very pale.
His hands trembled. He wanted no more food; he could drink no more wine; he
took no more delight in the music. He longed to be out of the palace, and
away, he cared not where.
____"What is the matter?" said the tyrant.
____"That sword! That sword!" cried Damocles. He was so badly frightened
that he dared not move.
____"Yes," said Dionysius, "I know there is a sword above your head, and
that it may fall at any moment. But why should that trouble you? I have a
sword over my head all the time. I am every moment in dread lest something
may cause me to lose my life."
____"Let me go," said Damocles. "I now see that I was mistaken, and that the
rich and powerful are not so happy as they seem. Let me go back to my old
home in the poor little cottage among the mountains."
____And so long as he lived, he never again wanted to be rich, or to change
places with the king.
And what dose this tale tell us about Damocles.
He was an envious git who was way above his head...
Sparky
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
Well as you seem to have to resort to insults to make your
argument, I shall have to put you and your opinions into
that group @$#* wits that believe the ends justifies the
means.
Go ahead and deny all you want. That's part of the reason
you Brit wankers were pig-ignorant enough to jump
along with the criminal U$ invasion of Iraq in the first place.
And by the way your math is very suspect, just cos you
quote the most extreme estimates dose not make it truth.
And just because you deny the historical facts, don't make
it so.
You claim to be a citizen of Planet Earth very commendable
claim,
It wasn't by choice of course.
Unfortunately if people like you don't grow up their
will soon were no Planetary Civilization just tribes at WAR.
It's you wanker Brits who completely enabled the maniac
GW Bu$h in his criminal invasion of Iraq. Without the sole
UK support for the lies and deceptions, the U$$A would NOT
have gone it solo.
If you had any idea about British democracy you would know
that that @$#* Blair took the country to war without the
support of the majority of its peoples and there was @$#*
all we could do about it, until he stands for Election
again. Then hopefully he will get the kicking he deserves.
Let's see if that happens. Why hasn't he been brought to impeachment
for his criminal lies? Why hasn't he been indicted for his crimes?
One expects better from the (usually) more intelligent Brits.
You're supposed to be the safety valve of sanity on U$ stupidity.
You should never blame a populous for the actions of the
politicos, no populous has real control over the actions of their governments.
The French and the Germans seem to have their pol-servants under control,
as did the Turks in rejecting obvious U$/UK lies.
No matter who you vote for they are all self serving pricks
and crooks,
A pathetic cop-out.
Churchill was a self-serving crook, as were Mussolini and Franco.
Can't decide which of the above to vote for?
not voting is the only real protest left and
what dose that gain you, a bloody huge majority and a
scumbag dictator who can do as he pleases.
So tell us how you right wankers let the Holey Babble
thumping lying U$ lap-dog Toady Blair run your parliament?
But enough of this chat you are clearly of the loony
political variety who blames
You spineless wanker Brits for thoroughly enabling the madman
GW Bu$h.
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For being full of himself and unable to have a civilized discussion without
resorting to base name-calling, S O Damocles is resigned to my kill file.
Sparky
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and shortly after that, the taliban got what they deserved
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Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
For being full of himself and unable to have a civilized
discussion without resorting to base name-calling, S O
Damocles is resigned to my kill file.
Killfiles are for ignorami.
Keep ignoring the uncomfortable facts, and you'll
have an entire parliament full of Toady Blairs.
Sparky
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shogun wrote:
and shortly after that, the taliban got what they deserved
Funny, they are still running Afghanistan.
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"S. O. Damocles" wrote:
shogun wrote:
Funny, they are still running Afghanistan.
Funny, how the Taliban is hiding in caves after the US and coalition
forces made your kind run into them.
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Liquid form wrote:
"S. O. Damocles" wrote:
Funny, how the Taliban is hiding in caves after the US and
coalition forces made your kind run into them.
Funny, how none of the Taliban attacked the U$ on 9/11,
and how they were living in caves long before the U$$A arrived,
dropped a few bombs and missles from a safe distance, then
turned tail and ran, leaving them to regain control of 95% of Afghanistan.
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In article <iLm1d.58$mi6.43933@news.uswest.net>, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
shogun wrote:
Funny, they are still running Afghanistan.
pull your head out of the sand...ooops, in your case, pull it out of your ass.
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In article <iLm1d.58$mi6.43933@news.uswest.net>, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
shogun wrote:
Funny, they are still running Afghanistan.
Yep, they are still running....but they cannot hide.
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In article <Aab1d.177$3D3.1796245@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Sparky AKA_Sparkticus" <Antispam_wanw34397_2@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
The use of the attomic bomb by the USA is and should always be remebered as
the most cowadly act ever done by a Nation in a just cause.
Absolutely.
After all, it would have been *much* better to invade the Home Islands
and pick up another 600K casualties in the invasion force, and up to a
million more Japanese dead from starvation and other causes.
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In article <Aab1d.177$3D3.1796245@news-text.cableinet.net>, "Sparky AKA_Sparkticus" <Antispam_wanw34397_2@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Absolutely. After all, it would have been *much* better to invade the Home Islands and pick up another 600K casualties in the invasion force, and up to a million more Japanese dead from starvation and other causes.
Its not as if the USA has had but kicked around by foreign army's since
ww11.
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