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http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3002620
Ms. Doe cited "the cumulative stress of the last 14 months" as the reason
she would no longer cooperate with prosecutors, according to the D.A. whom
she called with her final decision.
I can't help but notice that Ms. Doe's "cumulative stress" accumulates
selectively. Criminal trials make it unbearable, while civil trials, where a
monetary reward looms and the standard for proof is less than reasonable
doubt, apparently don't.
Maybe Ms. Doe felt the cause of justice was satisfied by getting Bryant to
write a note stating that while he didn't think he raped her, he can
understand how she thought he did. But by accepting that statement in
exchange for clearing Bryant of any criminal wrongdoing, Ms. Doe made a
statement of her own - namely, that what happened between the two of them
was a misunderstanding and not a crime.
Oh, and also that even though he didn't commit a crime, she still wants some
of his money.
Let me make something plain about Jane: by continuing with the civil case
after dropping the criminal one, she lost her credibility. Now it's up to
Kobe to decide whether he wants to keep his.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
I can't help but notice that Ms. Doe's "cumulative stress" accumulates
selectively. Criminal trials make it unbearable, while civil trials, where
a
monetary reward looms and the standard for proof is less than reasonable
doubt, apparently don't.
I don't think the stalkers, death threats and character assassination of
she, her family and friends will continue as unrelentingly now that he's
gonna play some ball for the bhoys.
It was like she accused some guy in the Mafia, and had the whole load of
intimidation fall on her- they were actively following her around, informing
the stalkers where she was. It's a wonder she didn't find a horse's head in
her bed, or her puppy hanging from the porch-light.
Death threats to one and one's family can be very compelling. A conviction
could very well have been a death sentence for her or her loved ones,
judging from the vociferous ill-wishes voiced by some of our more rabid
supporters online.
Be a hell of a thing to know that one's family member's death was the result
of reporting a rape by a wealthy celebrity athlete whose career is powered
by wagering interests, neh?
Chas
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
I don't think the stalkers, death threats and character assassination of
she, her family and friends will continue as unrelentingly now that he's
gonna play some ball for the bhoys.
It was like she accused some guy in the Mafia, and had the whole load of
intimidation fall on her- they were actively following her around,
informing
the stalkers where she was. It's a wonder she didn't find a horse's head
in
her bed, or her puppy hanging from the porch-light.
Death threats to one and one's family can be very compelling. A conviction
could very well have been a death sentence for her or her loved ones,
judging from the vociferous ill-wishes voiced by some of our more rabid
supporters online.
Be a hell of a thing to know that one's family member's death was the
result
of reporting a rape by a wealthy celebrity athlete whose career is powered
by wagering interests, neh?
Chas
The criminal trial is NOT going to happen Chas. She said *no mas*. Let it
be. How long do you insist on looking like a moron?
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
I don't think the stalkers, death threats and character assassination of
she, her family and friends will continue as unrelentingly now that he's
gonna play some ball for the bhoys.
Kobe was threatened with life imprisonment. Prison is stressful. People
die in prison. Kobe had this threat coming from the organized might of
the state of Colorado. The few petty threats against Katelyn "Jane Doe"
Faber came from a small number of crazies -- and she had that same
state of Colorado to protect her.
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informing
in
result
The criminal trial is NOT going to happen Chas. She said *no mas*. Let it
be. How long do you insist on looking like a moron?
I'm afraid it Chas' case it's an incurable state.
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In article <692dnYXz5p9ICtncRVn-vA@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote
I don't think the stalkers, death threats
Couple of them, not that many, based on her own actions.
She deserves it well being the lying skank that she is.
and character assassination of
she,
You cannot assassinate what isn't there.
She never had a character, nor class.
Get a clue.
her family
No one touched her family or said anything bad about them.
You are a liar.
and friends
No one touched her friends or said anything bad about them.
You are a liar.
will continue as unrelentingly now that he's
gonna play some ball for the bhoys.
It was like she accused some guy in the Mafia, and had the whole load of
intimidation fall on her- they were actively following her around, informing
the stalkers where she was. It's a wonder she didn't find a horse's head in
her bed, or her puppy hanging from the porch-light.
Nice fantasy.
Death threats to one and one's family can be very compelling.
Could be, if they existed.
No threats were made to her family, you @$#*ing liar.
A conviction
could very well have been a death sentence for her or her loved ones,
judging from the vociferous ill-wishes voiced by some of our more rabid
supporters online.
What about the ones against Kobe?
Or does it work only your way?
What about all the hate, racist, and other classless remarks, posts, and
other crap posted by you and your fellow members of anti men/anti
black/anti Kobe circle of jerks and circle of feminist idiots?
That is OK in your book, but when someone calls a spade a spade, calls
the skank a skank, that is a threat, and an "ill-wish" just because you
said so.
You are an idiot.
Trying to be a good trooper, but you can't.
You are outclassed, outgunned, outsmarted by almost everyone.
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In article <dX01d.83298$yh.56805@fed1read05>
"Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:
The criminal trial is NOT going to happen Chas. She said *no mas*. Let it
be. How long do you insist on looking like a moron?
That is his way of life, being a moron.
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
Kobe was threatened with life imprisonment.
For an act in which he had an undeniable participation.
.....Kobe had this threat coming from the organized might of
the state of Colorado.
Yes; they arrogate to themselves the prerogative of punishing malefactors.
The Accuser's interests aren't a matter for the State's considerations at
all.
The few petty threats against Katelyn "Jane Doe"
Faber came from a small number of crazies -- and she had that same
state of Colorado to protect her.
They had 'thousands' of harassing phone calls, constant stalking by people
reporting the accuser's whereabouts, the court itself contributing to the
harassment- and no expectation of any protection other than that afforded
any other citizen on a police patrol route.
Nobody was protecting her, and the environment of threat extended to her
family as well.
I think they call that 'the Sicilian Defense', if memory serves.
Chas
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They had 'thousands' of harassing phone calls, constant stalking by people
reporting the accuser's whereabouts, the court itself contributing to the
harassment- and no expectation of any protection other than that afforded
any other citizen on a police patrol route.
Sure they received "thousands". After one phone call, I would have changed
the number.
Nobody was protecting her, and the environment of threat extended to her
family as well.
I think they call that 'the Sicilian Defense', if memory serves.
She doesn't need any protecting. She's still out partying and having sex
with strangers. It's the guys having sex with her that need protection.
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In article <IoadnXFNJtC8MNncRVn-jQ@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
For an act in which he had an undeniable participation.
Same goes for the skank.
The few petty threats against Katelyn "Jane Doe"
Faber came from a small number of crazies -- and she had that same
state of Colorado to protect her.
They had 'thousands' of harassing phone calls,
Another exaggeration on your part.
constant stalking by people reporting the accuser's whereabouts,
If you believe her.
No credible source confirmed this.
the court itself contributing to the
harassment- and no expectation of any protection other than that afforded
any other citizen on a police patrol route.
The court "harassed" the accuser?
ROFLMAO.
News to everyone.
Nobody was protecting her,
Yeah, except for the DA, the sheriff's office who also added a $20000 on
top of their protection, 20 times higher than the usual amount.
and the environment of threat extended to her family as well.
Bull#@($.
There are no evidence on this, except your own allegations.
I think they call that 'the Sicilian Defense', if memory serves.
Your memory stinks.
Interesting how all this were the excuses for her to drop out of the
criminal case, but are no factor in the civil case.
You are an idiot.
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Sure they received "thousands". After one phone call, I would have changed
the number.
Hell, Don; you might have run like a rabbit or committed suicide also. The
point is that the animus was there, not whether they changed their number to
avoid it.
She doesn't need any protecting.
Didn't they already arrest two stalkers, field innumerable death threats to
both she and her family; offers to Kobe from paid assassins (if the stories
be true).
Hell; I've seen stuff posted right here that gives me pause for reflection
on the sanity of writers.
Perhaps she thought that not going forward for criminal sanctions would
mollify some of the more agitated supporters.
Chas
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
Hell, Don; you might have run like a rabbit or committed suicide also. The
point is that the animus was there, not whether they changed their number
to
avoid it.
Didn't they already arrest two stalkers, field innumerable death threats
to
both she and her family; offers to Kobe from paid assassins (if the
stories
be true).
Hell; I've seen stuff posted right here that gives me pause for reflection
on the sanity of writers.
Perhaps she thought that not going forward for criminal sanctions would
mollify some of the more agitated supporters.
Perhaps if a poor man was born wealthy instead his life might have been
different.
Perhaps if Kobe didn't go to the hotel *that* day, instead opting for
another day instead he'd have never met her.
Perhaps if the 1991 Chicago Bull team's players played for Boston instead,
Boston would have been the champs that year.
Perhaps if Bill Gates had finished Harvard he wouldn't have founded
Microsoft.
What's with this *perhaps* crap Chas? Deal with facts son...facts...you
idiot.
Chas
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In article <82a9k0hfrga401ld6hpacp07qf5i9de86d@4ax.com>,
Sports Fan <sports@fan.home> wrote:
In article <692dnYXz5p9ICtncRVn-vA@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
Couple of them, not that many, based on her own actions.
She deserves it well being the lying skank that she is.
she deserves to have her life threatened?????? I must of misheard you.
--
http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/
Bush%20%20Tribal%20Sovereignty.mp3
"Conservatives love their country the way a four-year-old loves their
mommy. Everything Mommy does is good and anyone who criticizes Mommy is
bad." -- Al Franken
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In article <PYudnaryGcHJJNncRVn-tQ@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
She doesn't need any protecting.
Didn't they already arrest two stalkers,
<tjab mode>
Source?
</tjab mode>
Good luck backing up this new lie of yours.
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Sports Fan wrote:
In article <692dnYXz5p9ICtncRVn-vA@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
Couple of them, not that many, based on her own actions.
She deserves it well being the lying skank that she is.
Yep. If Kobe is responsible for putting himself in this mess by
committing adultery (so says even many who agree that he's not guilty)
then surely young Fubar brought all the unwanted attention upon herself
by falsely accusing a popular celebrity of rape.
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"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote
For an act in which he had an undeniable participation.
Nice try. So did she. Is she threatened with prison? No -- because
her participation in the act is not deemed CRIMINAL. Kobe's
CRIMINAL participation in the relevant events is eminently
deniable.
Yes; they arrogate to themselves the prerogative of punishing malefactors.
The Accuser's interests aren't a matter for the State's considerations at
all.
Never the less, Kobe lived under at least as great a threat as she did --
and his identity was never even nominally protected. I'm betting he
did not receive police protection from the state of Colorado either.
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Nobody was protecting her, ...
Dude -- the crack pipe. Just put it down.
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s_knight8 wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3002620
Ms. Doe cited "the cumulative stress of the last 14 months"
as the reason she would no longer cooperate with
prosecutors, according to the D.A. whom she called with her
final decision.
I can't help but notice that Ms. Doe's "cumulative stress"
accumulates selectively. Criminal trials make it
unbearable, while civil trials, where a monetary reward
looms and the standard for proof is less than reasonable
doubt, apparently don't.
Maybe Ms. Doe felt the cause of justice was satisfied by
getting Bryant to write a note stating that while he didn't
think he raped her, he can understand how she thought he
did. But by accepting that statement in exchange for
clearing Bryant of any criminal wrongdoing, Ms. Doe made a
statement of her own - namely, that what happened between
the two of them was a misunderstanding and not a crime.
Oh, and also that even though he didn't commit a crime, she
still wants some of his money.
Let me make something plain about Jane: by continuing with
the civil case after dropping the criminal one, she lost
her credibility. Now it's up to Kobe to decide whether he
wants to keep his.
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:02:17 -0600, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
Hell; I've seen stuff posted right here that gives me pause for reflection
on the sanity of writers.
We feel the same way.
It would be an immense crime to put a man in life for prison based on
the false accusations of a mentally disturbed girl.
People talk about character assasination. If Faber was a good girl,
with no prior history of mental illness and being a skank then there's
nothing to defame. Suicide attempts, various sexual partners, etc, no
wonder people have a field day.
Myself like many others would not support Kobe if we saw the evidence
that he was guilty.
She filed the civil suit before the criminal case even ended, its
obvious she wants a payday.
After you add everything up, its a girl making false accusations
against a rich celebrity in hopes for a large settlement. So what she
has her name leaked out, stalkers and death threats? She might get
millions and millions if there is a settlement.
Its people like you and the DA who wants to twist to truth to fit a
lie and condemn Kobe contrary to the evidence.
I don't know if you live in the US, but in America, a person is
INNOCENT until proven guilty. And by that definition Kobe is
innocent.
He's not? Tell that to the DA who dropped the case WITH prejudice.
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People talk about character assasination. If Faber was a good girl,
with no prior history of mental illness and being a skank then there's
nothing to defame. Suicide attempts, various sexual partners, etc, no
wonder people have a field day.
Gee. How many sexual partners have YOU had? And there are millions of
people with emotional problems. Does this mean that if you've ever taken
Prozac or had more than one sexual partner that you might as well not bother
taking a case to court?
How about Kobe Bryant (who has admitted to having many sexual partners)?
Does your standard of behavior apply to him too? Perhaps HE shouldn't be
trusted or believed!
Remember Elizabeth Smart in Utah who was kidnapped and raped while the
rapist's wife held her down? Can you believe there were people who blamed
the CHILD for what happened to her and for the fact that she stayed with
them when she had opportunities to leave?
We live in such a judgemental society. How about the old Native American
saying about not judging a person or their behavior until you've walked a
mile in their shoes? Let's TRY to have a little sympathy and compassion for
people who have been through traumatic events and STOP dissecting their
backgrounds.
Otter
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"otter" <otter@oceanside.com> wrote
We live in such a judgemental society. How about the old Native American
saying about not judging a person or their behavior until you've walked a
mile in their shoes?
How about the Henry Rollins version of this:
"Don't criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That
way, if they get mad, you'll be a mile away, and they won't have any shoes."
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:36:53 -0600, otter <otter@oceanside.com> wrote:
Gee. How many sexual partners have YOU had? And there are millions of
people with emotional problems. Does this mean that if you've ever taken
Prozac or had more than one sexual partner that you might as well not bother
taking a case to court?
How about Kobe Bryant (who has admitted to having many sexual partners)?
Does your standard of behavior apply to him too? Perhaps HE shouldn't be
trusted or believed!
Remember Elizabeth Smart in Utah who was kidnapped and raped while the
rapist's wife held her down? Can you believe there were people who blamed
the CHILD for what happened to her and for the fact that she stayed with
them when she had opportunities to leave?
We live in such a judgemental society. How about the old Native American
saying about not judging a person or their behavior until you've walked a
mile in their shoes? Let's TRY to have a little sympathy and compassion for
people who have been through traumatic events and STOP dissecting their
backgrounds.
Otter
Kobe is guilty of adultry, no question of that.
But you are talking about a rape accusation with chance of life in
prison. Her background has now become very relevant. When she filed
a criminal case, her name was protected. But now she filed a civil
case, she lost that protection.
You cannot lump this incident with other incidents like the Elizabeth
Smart. I do not believe she had a traumatic event since after the
incident she went to a party, talked about Kobe's privates, and had
more sex later on.
The Elizabeth Smart incident is terrible, but you cannot lump these
two situations together. K.Faber did not want to participate in a
criminal trial, but no qualms about a civil trial with a payday of
milllions and millions of dollars. K. Fabor is not the victim here.
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With a criminal trial, there's nothing really for her to gain in terms of
her labors to maintain her will and composure, only the hope that he might
not rape someone else for afew years.
But with a civil court, she can stick it to a rich man where it hurts a rich
man, in his wallet. Do you really expect people to be so stupid as to not
realize that?
There's no compensation for what she's going through in criminal court, but
there is in civil court. If you could sue for jail time in civil court,
then people might not be so quick to call someone names when they sue, but
fact is, money is all you can get in civil court, except perhaps a PFA
(restraining order).
Irony of it all, if he were a faithful husband, chances are pretty damn good
none of this would have happened. But I'm a betting man, and odds are good
that he'll go on cheating, regardless.
Some people just never learn anything. If he did rape the girl, that means
eventually he'll make a huge mistake, and people won't drop the charges next
time. On the other hand, if he keeps it in his pants, there's no
possibility of semen evidence, and he can make nice with his wife not out of
guilt, but out of affection. Wouldn't that be cool?
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:54:15 GMT, "Chris" <RRUFIANGE@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
With a criminal trial, there's nothing really for her to gain in terms of
her labors to maintain her will and composure, only the hope that he might
not rape someone else for afew years.
I agree, after all, she will not get any monetary settlement from a
criminal case so its not worth her while. We all know she's not
interested in justice.
Also if you claim that Kobe raped someone, please prove it. The DA
can't do it, maybe you can do a better job.
But with a civil court, she can stick it to a rich man where it hurts a rich
man, in his wallet. Do you really expect people to be so stupid as to not
realize that?
Are people really that stupid to see that Faber is really interested
only in money?
Irony of it all, if he were a faithful husband, chances are pretty damn good
none of this would have happened. But I'm a betting man, and odds are good
that he'll go on cheating, regardless.
Thats true, Kobe commited adultry. But seriously after all this
embarrasement, pain and suffering, you really think he would cheat
again and potentially go through this living nightmare again? Vegas
likes people like you.
guilt, but out of affection. Wouldn't that be cool?
Yes he was an idiot for commiting adultry and its no excuse that tens
of millions of americans do it. But we are talking about rape with
chance of life in prison. That is something entirely different.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:36:53 -0600, otter <otter@oceanside.com> wrote:
How about Kobe Bryant (who has admitted to having many sexual partners)?
Does your standard of behavior apply to him too? Perhaps HE shouldn't be
trusted or believed!
So tell me, what does two sexually active people do in a room? Talk
about the inept policies of Bush, and drink some champagne? No they
are going to have sex. Somewhere along the road, she decided to cry
rape and want lots of money.
We live in such a judgemental society. How about the old Native American
saying about not judging a person or their behavior until you've walked a
mile in their shoes? Let's TRY to have a little sympathy and compassion for
people who have been through traumatic events and STOP dissecting their
backgrounds.
Otter
Kobe is as much as a victim as Faber. Kobe's name was dragged through
the mud and slandered. I hope Kobe doesn't pay the money grubbing
whore.
The victim's fund should apply to the real raped victims. The 400K+
spent by the prosecutions could benifiet more people instead of this
sham of a case. All based on lies of a skank. With her history of
emotional unstability and whoreness, not a suprise..
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"ToF" <ToF@nospam.com> wrote
So tell me, what does two sexually active people do in a room?
Your verbs in this sentence don't agree. It should be
"So tell me, what does two sexually active people does in a room?"
;-)
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I stand corrected :)
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:05:48 -0500, "E-Man" <eric_herrera@comcast.net>
wrote:
"ToF" <ToF@nospam.com> wrote
Your verbs in this sentence don't agree. It should be
"So tell me, what does two sexually active people does in a room?"
;-)
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:36:53 -0600, otter <otter@oceanside.com> wrote:
Kobe is guilty of adultry, no question of that.
But you are talking about a rape accusation with chance of life in
prison. Her background has now become very relevant. When she filed
a criminal case, her name was protected. But now she filed a civil
case, she lost that protection.
Hardly! Her name was (ooops) spoken in court five times by defense
attorneys, leaked to the media and well-known shortly after the case was
filed.
You cannot lump this incident with other incidents like the Elizabeth
Smart. I do not believe she had a traumatic event since after the
incident she went to a party, talked about Kobe's privates, and had
more sex later on.
What I was trying to say is that everyone is so judgemental---even to the
point of blaming Elizabeth Smart for what happened to her and that she
didn't leave when she had an opportunity. And long before any information
could be produced in court (since it will never go to trial) Ms. Faber's
reputation was diced, sliced, hashed, re-hashed and sullied. To me, it's
not fair unless you've walked a mile in their shoes. NONE of us know the
details of the incident between Bryant and Faber so WHY is everyone so quick
to call her a "skank" and a "money-grubbing whore"?
You state that you don't BELIEVE Faber was traumatized because, in your
judgement, her actions were not what YOU would perceive as "normal". And
there is NO proof that she had "more sex later on".
The Elizabeth Smart incident is terrible, but you cannot lump these
two situations together. K.Faber did not want to participate in a
criminal trial,
Yes, she did.
but no qualms about a civil trial with a payday of
milllions and millions of dollars. K. Fabor is not the victim here.
You tend to forget that in the beginning she did not want any money. Maybe
she changed her mind after a year of being hounded and not being able to
hold a job because of her notoriety. I don't know what's going on in the
woman's mind and neither does anyone else.
Why don't we all just wait and see what happens? Maybe someday, if the
court documents aren't all sealed, we'll have more information and be better
able to understand. But we STILL won't know what really happened between
those two that night.
And, even if she had been a "good girl", I can almost guarantee you that
somehow, some way, she would have been made to look bad. Remember, everyone
keeps telling us "that's the defense attorney's job". Surely someone would
have alluded to "drug use" or "a side to her that no one knew".
Otter
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In article <Kj11d.13362$54.190521@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
Kobe was threatened with life imprisonment. Prison is stressful. People
die in prison. Kobe had this threat coming from the organized might of
the state of Colorado. The few petty threats against Katelyn "Jane Doe"
Faber came from a small number of crazies -- and she had that same
state of Colorado to protect her.
I'm sure *that* inspired a lot of confidence.
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You state that you don't BELIEVE Faber was traumatized because, in your
judgement, her actions were not what YOU would perceive as "normal". And
there is NO proof that she had "more sex later on".
No proof other semen on her neck, thigh, inside her, and 2 different
panties.
The Elizabeth Smart incident is terrible, but you cannot lump these
two situations together. K.Faber did not want to participate in a
criminal trial,
Yes, she did.
No wonder she dropped out.
but no qualms about a civil trial with a payday of
milllions and millions of dollars. K. Fabor is not the victim here.
You tend to forget that in the beginning she did not want any money.
Maybe
she changed her mind after a year of being hounded and not being able to
hold a job because of her notoriety. I don't know what's going on in the
woman's mind and neither does anyone else.
I don't feel like digging up the article but they planned the civil suit
last year. Her laywer contacted someone last year about it.
Why don't we all just wait and see what happens? Maybe someday, if the
court documents aren't all sealed, we'll have more information and be
better
able to understand. But we STILL won't know what really happened between
those two that night.
Hundreds of documents are available right now.
http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/media/eagle/courtdocuments.htm
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On 15 Sep 2004 09:43:13 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <Kj11d.13362$54.190521@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
I'm sure *that* inspired a lot of confidence.
why not? they did protect her. two guys who threatened her a while
back are both behind bars. what's the problem?
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"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote
......The few petty threats against Katelyn "Jane Doe"
I'm sure *that* inspired a lot of confidence.
Witness intimidation, much less murder of a witness, is common enough that
the threat of it is credible on its face- and particularly when coupled with
a Defendant whose whole career is powered by the gaming industry. 'Kobe' is
a corporate persona as well as an individual, and there are people with
interests in him that he doesn't even know about.
A *criminal* charge is far more likely to raise such ire than any kind of
monetary settlement- that's a language they understand completely, and wish
she had just taken some money and shut up from the get-go.
'Colorado' has no mandate to protect witnesses, and they don't. They'd get
extra drive-bys from the Sheriff's Dept., but that's about all. "Turn on all
your outside lights and keep a gun to hand" is about all the 'protection'
they're prepared to give.
And the administrative supervision by the Court was just a failure all
round.
Chas
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
No proof other semen on her neck, thigh, inside her, and 2 different
panties.
An explanation for which, if in fact as you describe, her attorneys were
gagged from presenting. There were no leaks in her favor, only leaks
generating supportive rumors and fantasies in Kobe's favor, the whole
hypotheses is in question.
It's particularly germane considering the accuser goes forward with the
civil case in the face of that specific question- they have maintained, from
the inception of the rumor, that it is untrue, and they're prepared to prove
it.
Not yet a 'fact' at all, or 'proof' of much of anything if true entire.
No wonder she dropped out.
Death threats to one's family can be very compelling- much less if she was
the last one they had to convince to solidify the deal and just kept piling
money up till she gave in.
Remember that if the petition to dismiss on the initiative of the DA's
office was unilateral, the Defendant would not have had to make that, very,
damaging little apologia.
Hundreds of documents are available right now.
http://www.courts.state.co.us/exec/media/eagle/courtdocuments.htm
There were, as reported here, some 700 pleadings in this case- many under
seal of the Court, both on behalf of the accuser and the defendant.
What is available isn't what speaks to the crux of the matter- their
testimony about what happened; hers, and his. 'Excited utterances', 'first
interview with law enforcement', on-scene observers of the time before and
after- those are the transcriptions you want to be able to read or tapes you
want to hear. As the question is about her consent to *that* event, and
she's here to tell us whether or not she did, the immediate interviews are
the most cogent evidence- not what happened long before or long after (72
hr. period). The 'dna evidence' is immaterial to the consent question at
all.
They could dispense with some of the more graphic forensic photography, but
the other stuff should come public. We paid for it; let's see if our process
works worth a #@($.
Chas
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