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Challenge to Electoral College In Colorado Could Have Big Impact



MrPepper11@go.com (MrPepper11)
9/13/2004 8:28:37 AM


eptember 13, 2004
Challenge to Electoral College In Colorado Could Have Big Impact
By JOHN HARWOOD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
While Colorado leans toward the Republicans, Democrats are hoping to
grab some of the state's nine electoral votes anyway, in a tactical
strike that could lead to broader changes in America's system of
picking presidents.
Rick Ridder, a Denver-based political consultant who once managed
Howard Dean's campaign for the 2004 Democratic nomination, is pushing
an initiative to amend the state's constitution in the November
general election and scrap the winner-take-all allocation of electoral
votes practiced by 48 states. Instead, the state's votes would be
divided in proportion to the popular vote, which would almost
certainly assure Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry of at least four of
them.
Republicans are scrambling to defeat the measure on the Nov. 2 ballot,
but many acknowledge that its "one man, one vote" slogan enters the
election homestretch with a strong edge in public opinion. "Their
argument sounds fair," says Republican Gov. Bill Owens, now embarked
on a frenetic drive to raise funds in opposition.
If voters approve the measure, and it withstands court challenge, the
reverberations could reach well beyond the 2004 campaign. Analysts in
both parties expect a change in Colorado would spur similar moves
elsewhere and make the Electoral College system itself once again a
battlefield in the war between Republicans and Democrats for control
of a narrowly divided nation.
Such a change nationwide would dramatically alter presidential
campaigns by giving candidates new incentives to compete in vote-rich
states that now are safely in the hands of the opposition. Republicans
would spend far more time in states like California and New York that
lean toward the Democrats, while Democrats would stump harder in
Texas.
Under the current system, "one third of the people in the country
aren't hearing from the candidates," says Mark Gersh, who helps
Democratic candidates target people who might vote for them.
The Electoral College was designed by the Founding Fathers to place a
buffer between popular sentiment and the selection of a chief
executive. It awards each state the number of electoral votes that
corresponds to its number of seats in the House of Representatives
plus two more, the latter an effort to augment the power of small
states the way the composition of the U.S. Senate does.
By requiring presidential aspirants to achieve a majority of electoral
votes awarded by states, the founders believed, they would force
candidates to amass a broad coalition and thus stitch together the
young nation.
The 2000 election, which gave George W. Bush an electoral majority
even as Americans cast more ballots for Al Gore, revived the
off-and-on drive to scrap the Electoral College as antiquated in favor
of direct election by the popular vote. Even before the Bush-Gore
battle, polls had repeatedly shown that a majority of Americans favor
scrapping the Electoral College in favor of popular-vote elections.
But because that would require a federal constitutional amendment, a
dauntingly difficult prospect, calls to do so from the likes of Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton so far have gone nowhere.
Each state, however, retains the right to allocate its own electoral
votes, so no federal constitutional amendment is required for any
single state to change its system. That's what Colorado Democrats seek
to do through the amendment, which has been drafted to apply to the
2004 presidential contest as well as future campaigns. There has been
no public polling on support for the amendment, but private polling
conducted by both sides shows the initiative started with support in
the range of 60%.
Two states have changed their systems in recent decades. Maine, in
1969, and Nebraska, in 1992, adopted proportional systems awarding two
electoral votes to the statewide winner and one to the winner of each
Congressional district.
Those changes have had no electoral consequence in either state,
because the statewide winner has carried all Congressional districts
in each election after the system was changed. But the Colorado
proposal would have an immediate impact, because statewide popular
votes would assure the Democratic ticket of electoral votes that
otherwise would be difficult to win. Even while losing the state in
2000 and 1996, Democratic nominees have both times attracted more than
40% of the state popular vote.
In the bitter aftermath of the 2000 election -- just the fourth in
U.S. history that elected the popular vote loser -- Colorado Democrats
pushed through the state Senate legislation to award electoral votes
to the winner of each congressional district. The proposal died in a
state House controlled by Republicans, who were confident that Mr.
Bush's easy sweep of Colorado's electoral votes in 2000 would be
repeated in 2004. This time the bounty would be richer, as the
nationwide reapportionment of Congressional districts pushed the
state's total electoral votes to nine from eight.
But last month an amendment drive dubbed "Make Your Vote Count" moved
the Democrats' proportional allocation campaign forward. The state's
nine electoral votes would be divided in proportion to each
candidate's share of the popular vote; one ninth of the total, or
about 11.1%, would be worth one elector. Rounding would occur when
candidates' vote totals fall short of the amount needed for an
additional elector; it would go to the candidate closest to receiving
the next one-ninth of the popular vote. Proponents easily exceeded the
67,829 petition signatures needed to gain a spot on the November
ballot.
"People just jump at it," says Mr. Ridder, the Denver-based political
consultant. He says backers, led by a well-to-do Californian named
Jorge Klor de Alva, are prepared to spend $1 million toward the
campaign for passage. Implemented broadly, Mr. Ridder argues, the idea
could salve partisan wounds by giving Republicans new incentive to
campaign in Democratic-leaning states, and vice versa.
Mr. Owens, the Republican governor, says he's "flexible" on Electoral
College overhaul nationally. But if Colorado moves alone to
proportional allocation, he insists, it would in effect make the state
less powerful by reducing the stakes of presidential competition here
to the one or two electoral votes that could change hands depending on
the popular-vote results. Mr. Owens says that would dramatically
reduce the incentive for presidential candidates to court Colorado,
leaving the state vulnerable later when the occupant of the White
House weighs decisions on matters such as closing military bases or
storing nuclear waste.
Mr. Owens notes that Mr. Klor de Alva is linked through an associate
to anti-Bush billionaire George Soros, and says, "I have no doubt"
that persons close to the Kerry campaign are involved in the measure.
Mr. Ridder says Mr. Soros isn't a financial backer and denies any ties
to the Kerry camp.
To be sure, it's possible that the amendment could actually harm Mr.
Kerry's presidential prospects, since if he ends up carrying Colorado
it would assure that Mr. Bush receives some electoral votes from the
state. But the Kerry campaign's decision last week to cut back TV
advertising in Colorado suggests that his strategist
 
 
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9/13/2004 4:02:11 PM


On 13 Sep 2004 08:28:37 -0700, MrPepper11@go.com (MrPepper11) wrote:
September 13, 2004
Challenge to Electoral College In Colorado Could Have Big Impact
By JOHN HARWOOD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
While Colorado leans toward the Republicans, Democrats are hoping to
grab some of the state's nine electoral votes anyway, in a tactical
strike that could lead to broader changes in America's system of
picking presidents.
Rick Ridder, a Denver-based political consultant who once managed
Howard Dean's campaign for the 2004 Democratic nomination, is pushing
an initiative to amend the state's constitution in the November
general election and scrap the winner-take-all allocation of electoral
votes practiced by 48 states. Instead, the state's votes would be
divided in proportion to the popular vote, which would almost
certainly assure Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry of at least four of
them.
snip
Why would republicans want something fair? Their way has worked so
well. Personally, I think it's a good idea for all states to use this.
Then it would be closer to the popular vote.
Go Bush!
Go Diebold!
Rig those voting machines in Bushes Favor!
Let keep some Bush in the Whitehouse forever!
Proof?
http://www.pww.org/article/view/4642/1/197/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Election_Reform/Voting_Machines_Wild.html
http://www.linkcrusader.com/vote_machines.htm
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=610
http://dakong27.dsl.speakeasy.net/newdemocraticmajority/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Diebold_Election_Systems
http://www.votewatch.us/Members/Unregistered%20User/electionexperience.2004-08-12.8129920092/view?searchterm=None
http://www.ecotalk.org/MidtermElections2002.htm
http://www.alternet.org/story/16472
http://www.ecotalk.org/CaliforniaRecall.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/ballot.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00044.htm
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/caro/Comment_040229_VotingMachineFraud.htm
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=800
http://www.randycrow.com/articles/110503-support.htm
http://www.techstop.com/archives/000050.php
http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-29.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/11/politics/main583042.shtml
http://www.voxfux.com/articles(closed)/00000051.htm
http://www.bestoftheblogs.com/2003_02_05_bestof.html
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03323.html
http://forums.go.com/abcnews/thread?threadID=17257
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Ambush.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/110802Landes/11-08-02_Landes.pdf
There are countless link for this!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=voting+machines+owned+by+republicans&btnG=Searc
 
 
"S. O. Damocles"
9/13/2004 10:23:43 AM


rPepper11 wrote:
September 13, 2004
Challenge to Electoral College In Colorado Could Have Big
Impact
By JOHN HARWOOD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
While Colorado leans toward the Republicans, Democrats are
hoping to grab some of the state's nine electoral votes
anyway, in a tactical strike that could lead to broader
changes in America's system of
picking presidents.
Rick Ridder, a Denver-based political consultant who once
managed
Howard Dean's campaign for the 2004 Democratic nomination,
is pushing
an initiative to amend the state's constitution in the
November
general election and scrap the winner-take-all allocation
of electoral votes practiced by 48 states. Instead, the
state's votes would be divided in proportion to the popular
vote, which would almost
certainly assure Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry of at least
four of
them.
Republicans are scrambling to defeat the measure on the
Nov. 2 ballot, but many acknowledge that its "one man, one
vote" slogan enters the election homestretch with a strong
edge in public opinion. "Their argument sounds fair," says
Republican Gov. Bill Owens, now embarked
on a frenetic drive to raise funds in opposition.
If voters approve the measure, and it withstands court
challenge, the reverberations could reach well beyond the
2004 campaign. Analysts in both parties expect a change in
Colorado would spur similar moves elsewhere and make the
Electoral College system itself once again a battlefield in
the war between Republicans and Democrats for control
of a narrowly divided nation.
Such a change nationwide would dramatically alter
presidential
campaigns by giving candidates new incentives to compete in
vote-rich states that now are safely in the hands of the
opposition. Republicans would spend far more time in states
like California and New York that lean toward the
Democrats, while Democrats would stump harder in
Texas.
Under the current system, "one third of the people in the
country
aren't hearing from the candidates," says Mark Gersh, who
helps Democratic candidates target people who might vote
for them.
The Electoral College was designed by the Founding Fathers
to place a buffer between popular sentiment and the
selection of a chief
executive. It awards each state the number of electoral
votes that corresponds to its number of seats in the House
of Representatives
plus two more, the latter an effort to augment the power of
small
states the way the composition of the U.S. Senate does.
By requiring presidential aspirants to achieve a majority
of electoral votes awarded by states, the founders
believed, they would force candidates to amass a broad
coalition and thus stitch together the
young nation.
The 2000 election, which gave George W. Bush an electoral
majority
even as Americans cast more ballots for Al Gore, revived the
off-and-on drive to scrap the Electoral College as
antiquated in favor of direct election by the popular vote.
Even before the Bush-Gore battle, polls had repeatedly
shown that a majority of Americans favor scrapping the
Electoral College in favor of popular-vote elections.
But because that would require a federal constitutional
amendment, a dauntingly difficult prospect, calls to do so
from the likes of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton so far have
gone nowhere.
Each state, however, retains the right to allocate its own
electoral votes, so no federal constitutional amendment is
required for any
single state to change its system. That's what Colorado
Democrats seek to do through the amendment, which has been
drafted to apply to the 2004 presidential contest as well
as future campaigns. There has been
no public polling on support for the amendment, but private
polling conducted by both sides shows the initiative
started with support in
the range of 60%.
Two states have changed their systems in recent decades.
Maine, in 1969, and Nebraska, in 1992, adopted proportional
systems awarding two electoral votes to the statewide
winner and one to the winner of each Congressional district.
Those changes have had no electoral consequence in either
state,
because the statewide winner has carried all Congressional
districts
in each election after the system was changed. But the
Colorado
proposal would have an immediate impact, because statewide
popular
votes would assure the Democratic ticket of electoral votes
that otherwise would be difficult to win. Even while losing
the state in 2000 and 1996, Democratic nominees have both
times attracted more than 40% of the state popular vote.
In the bitter aftermath of the 2000 election -- just the
fourth in
U.S. history that elected the popular vote loser --
Colorado Democrats pushed through the state Senate
legislation to award electoral votes
to the winner of each congressional district. The proposal
died in a state House controlled by Republicans, who were
confident that Mr. Bush's easy sweep of Colorado's
electoral votes in 2000 would be repeated in 2004. This
time the bounty would be richer, as the nationwide
reapportionment of Congressional districts pushed the
state's total electoral votes to nine from eight.
But last month an amendment drive dubbed "Make Your Vote
Count" moved the Democrats' proportional allocation
campaign forward. The state's nine electoral votes would be
divided in proportion to each
candidate's share of the popular vote; one ninth of the
total, or
about 11.1%, would be worth one elector. Rounding would
occur when candidates' vote totals fall short of the amount
needed for an additional elector; it would go to the
candidate closest to receiving the next one-ninth of the
popular vote. Proponents easily exceeded the 67,829
petition signatures needed to gain a spot on the November
ballot.
"People just jump at it," says Mr. Ridder, the Denver-based
political consultant. He says backers, led by a well-to-do
Californian named
Jorge Klor de Alva, are prepared to spend $1 million toward
the
campaign for passage. Implemented broadly, Mr. Ridder
argues, the idea could salve partisan wounds by giving
Republicans new incentive to campaign in Democratic-leaning
states, and vice versa.
Mr. Owens, the Republican governor, says he's "flexible" on
Electoral College overhaul nationally. But if Colorado
moves alone to
proportional allocation, he insists, it would in effect
make the state less powerful by reducing the stakes of
presidential competition here
to the one or two electoral votes that could change hands
depending on the popular-vote results. Mr. Owens says that
would dramatically
reduce the incentive for presidential candidates to court
Colorado, leaving the state vulnerable later when the
occupant of the White
House weighs decisions on matters such as closing military
bases or storing nuclear waste.
Mr. Owens notes that Mr. Klor de Alva is linked through an
associate
to anti-Bush billionaire George Soros, and says, "I have no
doubt"
that persons close to the Kerry campaign are involved in
the measure. Mr. Ridder says Mr. Soros isn't a f
 
 
Ferrous Patella
9/13/2004 11:22:32 PM


news:57cfd534.0409130728.15f3c0bd@posting.google.com by MrPepper11@go.com
(MrPepper11):
September 13, 2004

Challenge to Electoral College In Colorado Could Have Big Impact
By JOHN HARWOOD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
While Colorado leans toward the Republicans, Democrats are hoping to
grab some of the state's nine electoral votes anyway, in a tactical
strike that could lead to broader changes in America's system of
picking presidents.
What is really ironic is that Kerry might take Colorado and the measure
will cost him electorial votes.
--
Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
"If the universe is so finely tuned, how come I can't sing worth a darn?"
-Cheezits
 
 
"John D. Goulden"
9/13/2004 6:11:30 PM


... Instead, the state's votes would be divided in proportion to the
popular vote, which would almost certainly assure Massachusetts
Sen. John Kerry of at least four of them...
This is an issue that I fear will be welcomed by the people - especially if
all of the states do it - but bitterly contested by both parties, so there's
no way that the house and senate will push this through as a constitutional
amendment. The whole structure of their campaign engines is built around the
notion of winner-take-all in the electoral college. The best we can hope for
is if some of the big red and blue states (California and Texas, are you
listening?) push this through and set an example for the rest of the
country.
--
John Goulden
From a 'lil ole red state where the votes of my Democrat friends don't
matter,
and where we didn't get to see any of the Swift Boat ads.
 
 
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