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US report finds no WMDs
LONDON: US arms experts are to confirm in the next fortnight that Saddam Hussein
's regime had no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction when it was invaded
last year, the daily Guardian said yesterday.
In a report, it said it has learned that Iraq Survey Group set up by the US
administration - charged with finding proof of Saddam's quest for chemical,
biological and nuclear weapons - will deliver its report "in two weeks' time".
"It will draw the final conclusion that there are no WMD in the country,
although the threat of Saddam was real," it said.
The Iraq Survey Group, comprising more than 1,000 mainly US intelligence and
weapons experts, fanned out across Iraq in July 2003, four months after the
US-led invasion that toppled Saddam.
In an interim report in October last year, its chief David Kay told the US
Senate it had yet to find stocks of WMD, but added that it was not at a point
where it could say definitely that such weapons did not exist.
Kay reiterated his position when he resigned three months later.
The Guardian said the release of the conclusions would put British Prime
Minister Tony Blair in an awkward position just as his governing Labour Party
holds it annual conference.
Blair sought to justify taking Britain into the Iraq war by citing the threat of
Iraqi WMD and the danger they might fall into terrorist hands.
In July, a British inquiry into pre-war intelligence said Iraq - which under
Saddam defied a string of UN resolutions on WMD - most likely possessed no
useable weapons of mass destruction before the March 2003 invasion.
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:15:56 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
US report finds no WMDs
Although Saddam's wmd PROGRAMS remained quite active right up to the
bitter end, and would no doubt have been kicked into high-yield
production mode once France & Co. had managed to force a lifting of UN
sanctions against the regime.
Looking forward to the trial & execution of Left's dark prince.
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:15:56 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Although Saddam's wmd PROGRAMS remained quite active right up to the
bitter end, and would no doubt have been kicked into high-yield
production mode once France & Co. had managed to force a lifting of UN
sanctions against the regime.
Got any proof?
Who are you to decide what other countries do to defend themselves? Bush said he
would use WMD if necessary.
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:28:31 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
ulysses wrote:
You lie.
The drooling mantra of the michaelmoore Left.
and would no doubt have been kicked
into high-yield production mode once
You lie yet again.
It ain't going to happen. There's a better shot he'll be turned loose,
and the suffering Iraqi's will re-elect him leader. Remember Marion Barry
of D.C?
That is surely your fondest dream.
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:39:03 +0100, "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com>
wrote:
Got any proof?
Reams of it. Look to the findings, to date, of the Iraq Survey Group.
Who are you to decide what other countries do to defend themselves?
When the "other country" is a malignant regime -- one that murders its
own citizens by the tens of thousands as it supports terrorist causes
around the world, for instance -- we MAKE IT our business.
Bush said he
would use WMD if necessary.
Cite please.
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:39:03 +0100, "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com>
wrote:
Reams of it. Look to the findings, to date, of the Iraq Survey Group.
When the "other country" is a malignant regime -- one that murders its
own citizens by the tens of thousands as it supports terrorist causes
around the world, for instance -- we MAKE IT our business.
Hang on, America HAS killed tens of thousands, and it's the reason why terrorist
group members are swelling in numbers. Are you saying America is a malignant
regime?
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ulysses wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:28:31 -0600, "S. O. Damocles"
<so@damocl.es> wrote:
The drooling mantra of the michaelmoore Left.
and would no doubt have been kicked
into high-yield production mode once
That is surely your fondest dream.
Sucker:
The National Intelligence Estimate offers a grim outlook on the continuing
struggle in Iraq. Will the administration accept the facts or continue to
embrace its ideology?
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't
alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views, which
can be uncomfortable, if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
-- Doctor Who
The Bush administration's strategy for Iraq isn't working, and it's going to
continue to fail. The National Intelligence Estimate for Iraq, compiled from the
nation's various intelligence agencies, predicts three possible outcomes of the
situation in Iraq and none of them are positive. They range from "a tenuous
stability to political fragmentation to the most negative assessment of civil
war," according to Reuters.
The White House has been dismissing negative assessments of the situation in
Iraq; spokesman Scott McClellan recently said, "You know, every step of the way
in Iraq there have been pessimists and hand-wringers who said it can't be done."
There's that "pessimists" meme again. But it isn't pessimism when you're looking
at the cold, hard, sometimes-harsh facts. It's realism. The situation in Iraq is
not getting better. It's not going to get better any time soon; the report
suggests a gloomy outlook at least until the end of 2005, the time period
covered by the report. The administration's Pollyanna-like attitude toward the
situation certainly isn't going to make it get any better.
Even some Republicans have become critical of the administration's handling of
Iraq. For example, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar
surely sounded "pessimistic" when he said, "Our committee heard blindly
optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside
the administration what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd' that we just
simply will be greeted with open arms. The nonsense of all of that is apparent.
The lack of planning is apparent."
So will the Bush administration now alter their views to fit the facts, or will
they continue to alter the facts to fit their views? Has it ever occurred to
these people that there may be a damn good reason to be "pessimistic?" Pessimism
isn't necessarily a vice; a little pessimism can lead to more thorough planning
and forethought to avoid impending doom. Maybe a little pessimism is just what's
needed in the White House now.
---Nick
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wrote:
Hang on, America HAS killed tens of thousands, and it's the
reason why terrorist group members are swelling in numbers.
Are you saying America is a malignant regime?
A belligerant rouge state actually --
1948 - PRESENT
AMERICAN/ISRAELI STATE TERRORISM OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: 100,000 Palestinian people
From the very beginning of the Zionist State of Israel in 1948, One of the
earliest and most notorious incidents of Israeli terrorism was the Deir
Yassin massacre in April, 1948. 250 Palestinian men, women and children were
murdered in cold blood by Menachem Begin's Zionist "Irgun" group as it went
from house to house seeking to drive all Palestinians out of their ancient
homeland. It hasn't gotten any better since then.
Besides murdering women and children, Israelis routinely torture Palestinian
prisoners in jail. And almost all of it has been kept hidden by the
mainstream American mass-media for 55 years.
Just to give you another example of who the Israelis really are: in 1946,
Menachem Begin's terrorist organization blew up the King David Hotel in
Jerusalem, murdering British nurses, in order to drive the British out of
Palestine. Israeli society later rewarded Menachem Begin by electing him
Prime Minister.
The United States government gives billions of your tax dollars to the
Israelis every year. And the U.S. government never pays people to do things
it doesn't want done. Israeli state terrorism is essentially American state
terrorism.
1953 - PRESENT
AMERICAN-BACKED GENOCIDE OF THE GUATEMALAN PEOPLE
Estimated civilian deaths: over 200,000 people
From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower
A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive
government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government
death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable
cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims - indisputably one of the most
inhumane chapters of the 20th century.
The justification for the coup that has been put forth over the years is
that Guatemala had been on the verge of the proverbial Soviet takeover. In
actuality, the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn't
even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem was that Arbenz had
taken over some of the uncultivated land of the US firm, United Fruit
Company [Chiquita bananas], which had extremely close ties to the American
power elite.
Moreover, in the eyes of Washington, there was the danger of Guatemala's
social-democracy model spreading to other countries in Latin America.
Despite a 1996 "peace" accord between the government and rebels, respect for
human rights remains as only a concept in Guatemala; death squads continue
to operate with a significant measure of impunity against union activists
and other dissidents; torture still rears its ugly head; the lower classes
are as wretched as ever; the military endures as a formidable institution;
the US continues to arm and train the Guatemalan military and carry out
exercises with it; and key provisions of the peace accord concerning
military reform have not been carried out.
1955 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE CAMBODIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 people
Prince Sihanouk was yet another leader who did not fancy being an American
client. After many years of hostility toward his regime, including
assassination plots and the infamous Nixon/Kissinger secret "carpet
bombings" of 1969-70, Washington finally overthrew Sihanouk in a coup in
1970. This was all that was needed to impel Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge
forces to enter the fray. Five years later, they took power. But the years
of American bombing had caused Cambodia's traditional economy to vanish. The
old Cambodia had been destroyed forever.
Incredibly, the Khmer Rouge were to inflict even greater misery upon this
unhappy land. And to multiply the irony, the United States supported Pol Pot
and the Khmer Rouge after their subsequent defeat by the Vietnamese.
1957 - 1973
AMERICAN GENOCIDE OF THE LAOTIAN PEOPLE
Estimated total civilian deaths: over 500,000 people
The Laotian left, led by the Pathet Lao, tried to effect social change
peacefully, making significant electoral gains and taking part in coalition
governments. But the United States would have none of that.
The CIA and the State Department, through force, bribery and other
pressures, engineered coups in 1958, 1959 and 1960. Eventually, the only
option left for the Pathet Lao was armed force.
The CIA created its famous "Arme Clandestine" - totaling 30,000, from every
corner of Asia - to do battle, while the US Air Force, between 1965 and
1973, rained down more than two million tons of bombs upon the people of
Laos, many of whom were forced to live in caves for years in a desperate
attempt to escape the monsters falling from the sky.
After hundreds of thousands had been killed, many more maimed, and countless
bombed villages with hardly stone standing upon stone, the Pathet Lao took
control of the country, following on the heels of events in Vietnam.
MID-1950S, 1970-71
AMERICAN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THE ELECTED LEADER OF COSTA RICA
From Rogue State
To liberal American political leaders, President Jose Figueres was the
quintessential "liberal democrat", the kind of statesman they liked to
think, and liked the world to think, was the natural partner of US foreign
policy rather than the military dictators who somehow kept popping up as
allies.
Yet the United States tried to overthrow Figueres (in the 1950s, and perhaps
also in the 1970s, when he was again president), and tried to assassinate
him twice. The reasons? Figueres was not tough enough on the left, led Costa
Rica to become the first country in Central America to establish diplomatic
relations with the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, and on occasion
questioned American foreign policy, like the Bay of Pigs invasion.
1959 - PRESENT
AMERICAN SUBVERSION AND STATE TERRORISM OF THE CUBAN PEOPLE
From Killing Hope
Fidel Castro came to power at the beginning of 1959. A U.S. National
Security Council meeting of March 10, 1959 included on its agenda the
feasibility of bringing "another government to power in Cuba."
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:18:48 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
ulysses wrote:
Sucker:
The National Intelligence Estimate offers a grim outlook on the continuing
struggle in Iraq.
Yeah. I know. I've already read this. (What does it have to do with
Saddam's coming trial?)
The difference between you and I, however, is that I find the
assessment to be food for sober thought (though I do not fear for an
instant that America will back down from its mission to democratize
Iraq), while YOU and your michaelmoore kind take gratuitous pleasure
in it (as evidenced by your childish "Sucker" blurt). If scummy
little people like you were not so corrosive, I'd feel sorry for you.
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:15:03 +0100, "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com>
wrote:
Hang on, America HAS killed tens of thousands, and it's the reason why terrorist
group members are swelling in numbers. Are you saying America is a malignant
regime?
No, that's what Kerry/Kennedy says.
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:27:58 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
D wrote:
A belligerant rouge state actually --
That's what John Kerry says! It's @$#*ing uncanny!
ulysses
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:27:58 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
That's what John Kerry says! It's @$#*ing uncanny!
Do us a favour Ulysses, go to your local gunsmith and see if they have one of
these in stock, http://www.cyberium.net/imagine/S/weapons/surreal-pistol-2.jpg. If
they have, buy it and use it.
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:59:37 +0100, "D" <dontspam@hotbotmail.com>
wrote:
Do us a favour Ulysses, go to your local gunsmith and see if they have one of
these in stock, http://www.cyberium.net/imagine/S/weapons/surreal-pistol-2.jpg. If
they have, buy it and use it.
Yeah yeah. I got you anti-American assholes dead to rights. Go hang
yourself.
ulysses
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Saddam was an a-hole but he wasn't stupid! Sitting in Las Vegas, I know
where they are.
Doesn't take a high IQ to figure it out, but then your IQ appears to be in
single digits!
Iraqi WMDs Secretly Moved to Syria Just Before Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Tension between Damascus and Washington have risen markedly since January
when Dr. David Kay,
who spearheaded the search for WMD in Iraq last year, told the London
Telegraph, that "a lot
of material went to Syria [from Iraq] before the war, including some
components of Saddam's
WMD program ... precisely what went to Syria and what has happened to it is
a major issue that
needs to be resolved."
Just prior to Kay's interview, Syrian journalist Nizar Nayuf claimed to have
knowledge of the
locations of three sites within Syria storing Iraqi weapons of mass
destruction. Nayuf, long
recognized for his opposition to the al-Assad regime, recently escaped Syria
to Western
Europe.
Map showing the locations of three Syrian sites storing Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction, as
provided by Syrian journalist Nizar Nayuf to the Dutch newspaper De
Telegraaf.
WMDs On The Move?
Nayuf told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, that the three Syrian cities of
al-Baida, Tal
Snan, and Sjinsjar were hosting Iraqi WMDs. Nayaf claimed that Iraq's
Special Republican Guard
coordinated the transfer of weapons with Assif Shoakat - a cousin of Syrian
President Assad
and CEO of the Assad family-owned Bhaha Import-Export Company - just before
the execution of
Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to Agence France Presse (AFP), January 6,
2004.
Western intelligence agencies have accused Syria of smuggling WMDs and
extended-range Scud
missiles out of Syria and into Sudan aboard commercial cargo flights in an
effort to forestall
their detection and a possible strike by U.S. or Israeli military forces.
Sudanese President
Omar Bashir has ordered the immediate removal of all Syrian weapons of mass
destruction and
Scud missiles from Sudan, according to the Middle East News Line (MENL),
April 23, 2004.
"There is widespread concern in the Syrian regime that Damascus will be the
next to face heavy
U.S. and international pressure to open its WMD facilities in the wake of
the Libyan example
.... the Syrians have decided that they want to take some of their assets out
of the country,"
according to an unnamed intelligence source quoted in the MENL, April 8,
2004.
Scud C and Scud D missiles, along with the WMD related components; have been
arriving in
Khartoum under the auspices of a new trade agreement between Syria Scud
ballistic missile on
transporter, erector, launcher vehicle (TEL). and Sudan. According to
Western intelligence
sources, ten commercial flights, chartered by the Syrian Defense Ministry,
have flown every
month since January with the illicit cargo labeled as medical supplies,
reported Geostrategy-
Direct, an online intelligence news service, April 15, 2004. Cooperation
between Syrian and
Sudan has increased over the years including Syrian assistance in Sudanese
agricultural, food,
and transportation from Syria.
Motivated by the opportunity to improve relations with the United States,
Bashir was anxious
to demonstrate he was not cooperating with Syria and their WMD program. An
unnamed U.S.
intelligence official confirmed the Scud missile shipments to Sudan but said
the intelligence
community was unable to verify WMD components had also been shipped, MENL
reported April 23,
2004.
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UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after
WorldTribune.com
6/11/04
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of
mass destruction
components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and
after the U.S.-led
war against Iraq in 2003.
The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the
Security Council on new
findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD
program.
The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed
with which Saddam
dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council
members were shown
photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and
then saw a satellite
image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had
disappeared.
UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on
June 9 that "the only
controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check
whether there are
any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East
Newsline reported.
"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded
out. And there is
a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it
seems the country is
depleted of metal."
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to
proliferation risks,"
Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found
Iraqi WMD and missile
components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.
He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and
around the Middle
East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations
included Jordan, the
Netherlands and Turkey.
The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components,
UN officials said.
They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters - the latter
required for the
production of chemical and biological warheads.
"It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is
it now and what
is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can
make all kinds of
pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it
to breed anthrax."
The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such
countries as
Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2
surface-to-air
missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN
tags. In Jordan,
UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for
missiles.
"The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these
yards and other
yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance
and don't know the
full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of
Iraq's neighbors."
UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud
surface-to-surface
missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said
UNMOVIC plans to
inspect other sites, including in Turkey.
In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El
Baradei said
material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the
country.
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"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction because
otherwise .. they
might get mad and seek our destruction." - Ann Coulter 26 Sep 2002
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Are these the WMD that never existed? By Andrew Bolt - 23 Apr 04
SO what really did happen to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction?
Who knows - but let me tell you about some news from neighbouring Jordan
that's been barely mentioned here.
Three weeks ago Jordanian police said they'd found cars carrying explosives
for an attack on American targets in their country. In later raids, they
shot and caught more terrorists, many from Iraq.
And last weekend, Jordan's King Abdullah, a Sandhurst-educated leader with a
democratic streak, said that the plot his police had foiled was actually an
al-Qaida operation involving chemical weapons and poison gas.
"It was a major, major operation. It would have decapitated the government,"
he told the San Francisco Chronicle.
Jordanian investigators told reporters "we found primary materials to make a
chemical bomb which, if it had exploded, would have made nearly 20,000
deaths ... in an area of one square kilometre".
The main target was not in fact American, but Jordan's intelligence services
headquarters, with "deadly gas" to be used in simultaneous attacks on the
prime minister's office and the American embassy.
Funny that. Don't anti-war protesters tell us that al-Qaida is cross only
with American allies and countries that cruelly "invaded" Iraq?
Not so, it seems -- again. Jordan stayed right out of the war in Iraq.
But the crucial question is where the 17.5 tonnes of explosives and
chemicals for this attack came from.
King Abdullah said they were smuggled in from Syria, but he was "completely
confident" the Syrian President, Bashir Assad, "did not know about it".
So here's a wild guess. Israeli intelligence has warned for a year that
Saddam Hussein's regime hid some of its WMD in Syria just before the war.
David Kay, who led the 1300 weapons searchers of the Iraq Survey Group after
the war's end, told Congress last year that satellite surveillance had shown
an unusual number of trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria at the time, and
said they may have carried WMD.
Others think he was too cautious. The news from Jordan is a hint that they
may be right -- that Syria is hiding some of Saddam's WMD, or at least their
raw materials. And, worse, that al-Qaida has found them, or had them all
along.
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:15:56 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Although Saddam's wmd PROGRAMS remained quite active right up to the
bitter end,
Actually there is no evidence of that. The most they found is low
level research that was taking place. Hardly a imminent threat to the
world.
and would no doubt have been kicked into high-yield
production mode once France & Co. had managed to force a lifting of UN
sanctions against the regime.
Probably would have. However, there is every indication that the US
could have gotten security council approval if it had simply let the
diplomatic process play out. Saddam was not going to meet the tests
that were required of him, and even France and Germany understood that
inspections could not go on forever.
Looking forward to the trial & execution of Left's dark >prince.
You realize you are talking about the same "dark prince" who shook hands
and accepted gifts from the current Secretary of Defense.
Jeremy Olson
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:28:31 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
The drooling mantra of the michaelmoore Left.
Once you can back it up with facts, then you might have some
credibility.
and would no doubt have been kicked
into high-yield production mode once
You lie yet again.
France & Co. had
managed to force a lifting of UN sanctions against the
regime.
Looking forward to the trial & execution of Left's dark
prince.
It ain't going to happen. There's a better shot he'll be turned loose,
and the suffering Iraqi's will re-elect him leader. Remember Marion Barry
of D.C?
That is surely your fondest dream.
Ah, yes, the typical Republican thought process. If you don't like
George Bush you must LOVE Saddam Hussein.
I don't think even you are that stupid.
Jeremy Olson
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:18:48 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Yeah. I know. I've already read this. (What does it have to do with
Saddam's coming trial?)
The difference between you and I, however, is that I find the
assessment to be food for sober thought (though I do not fear for an
instant that America will back down from its mission to democratize
Iraq),
Nobody wants to back down. However, the problem with Bush is that
he is persistant to a fault. Being steadfast in following failed
policies is not a strength, or a favorable trait in a leader. Refusing
to accept the inconvenient facts that are staring you in the face is the
mark of someone who is weak, and too scared to admit they were wrong.
The true test of leadership is seeing how one reacts when things DON'T
go the way they were planned.
Jeremy Olson
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Jeremy wrote:
Once you can back it up with facts, then you might have
some credibility.
and would no doubt have been kicked
into high-yield production mode once
You lie yet again.
France & Co. had
managed to force a lifting of UN sanctions against the
regime.
Looking forward to the trial & execution of Left's dark
prince.
It ain't going to happen. There's a better shot he'll be
turned loose, and the suffering Iraqi's will re-elect him
leader. Remember Marion Barry of D.C?
Ah, yes, the typical Republican thought process.
If you don't like George Bush you must LOVE Saddam Hussein.
I don't think even you are that stupid.
Jeremy Olson
???!
Where ya been during your sabatical Jeremy?
Did you go to Europe to have a brain transplant or spend your
time on the Island of the Intelligent and Circumspect?
It that really you posting, or did someone with at least 1/2 a brain
and a modicum of morality hijack your nntp account?
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Jeremy wrote:
???!
Where ya been during your sabatical Jeremy?
Did you go to Europe to have a brain transplant or spend your
time on the Island of the Intelligent and Circumspect?
It that really you posting, or did someone with at least 1/2 a brain
and a modicum of morality hijack your nntp account?
I see you still can't provide facts.
Jeremy Olson
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Jeremy wrote:
I see you still can't provide facts.
How about those feedlots, eh Jeremy?
Jeremy Olson
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