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Wow! The Rosh Hashanah release of the secret Kobe Bryant police
statement provided lots of new information and insights that may
scuttle conventional wisdom that the civil case will soon go away.
This could be the start of a whole new year of litigation for the NBA
superstar and his accuser. Sadly, some of these revelations may also
be new to Vanessa Bryant and that may also lead to some imminent
family court litigation.
In his effort to extricate himself from the Eagle encounter with the
cops, Kobe Bryant spoke of a woman named Michelle who meets him
frequently in New York for some neck-grabbing intercourse. That cannot
be pleasant news at the Bryant breakfast table on the other coast.
Who could have sent this anonymous but accurate CD and transcript to
the Vail Daily? Only someone with access. I do not think it was the
accuser's attorneys.
Look at all that they likely lost with this publication. Most of Kobe
Bryant's incentive to settle was just eliminated. The embarrassing
assertions that were previously secret are now the stuff of headlines.
These headlines dramatically increase the likelihood that the civil
case will go forward. The public release and distribution of this
statement removes a lot of the accuser's leverage. The threat of a
criminal trial was previous leverage lost. What now is the threat to
Kobe Bryant? Money is no obstacle to this multi-millionaire.
Colorado's severe tort reform laws will apply and caps on damages will
prevent the kind of humungous monetary award that might be possible
and could seriously dent him in another state.
Insofar as the upcoming season and worries about a distraction,
remember a few things. Kobe Bryant played pretty great when he was
healthy last year. The Lakers are not likely going to contend for a
championship this year anyway. Kobe Bryant will not have to be present
during all the civil litigation as he was during the criminal case.
However, the thought of Michelle (and possible other paramours) being
deposed might be a serious incentive to still pay some hush money.
Plaintiffs' attorneys might even attempt to depose Vanessa Bryant
about her husband's sexual proclivities. That too suggests some
settlement money might still be paid.
Then again, Team Kobe may well feel that it can successfully once
again call the accuser's latest bluff. Think about how her alleged
mental health and/or substance abuser problems will likely now be
deemed relevant to the civil issues of causation and damages. After
all, if this young lady was unwilling to testify in September before a
jury in her hometown of Eagle, what makes anyone think she will really
go forward with testifying someday in front of a Denver civil jury? A
cynic might offer the following answer: MOOLAH. In fact, that is what
Kobe Bryant suggested as a motive to the Eagle County cops.
While hardly conclusive, Kobe Bryant's recorded statement seems more
consistent with being an adulterer than a rapist. There is no smoking
gun there. This cheating husband seems genuinely surprised about the
accuser's bleeding. Could it be, as Dr. Elizabeth Johnson opined, that
sex after Bryant with Mr. X, caused the majority of any heavy
bleeding?
It was interesting to learn that Kobe Bryant claims he did not
ejaculate. When a detective mentions the possibility of
pre-ejaculation, Kobe Bryant seems truly astonished.
Detective Winters: Did you finish?
Bryant: No.
Detective Loya: Well there's always pre-ejaculation are you aware of
that?
Bryant: Are you kidding me?
Detective Winters: Well ...
Detective Loya: I'm not kidding you, it's, they teach you that in
seventh grade sex ed.
Bryant: We stopped cold. (Inaudible).
Detective Winters: How long did it go for?
Bryant: (Inaudible) five minutes maybe.
The detective may not have been aware of Bryant's seventh grade spent
in Italy which might not have covered the same sorts of subjects.
So who let this statement out? Was it a cop? Could it be Team Kobe? No
way without the permission of Kobe Bryant who would have been unlikely
to agree. The ethics of Bryant's lawyers also suggest they were not
the source.
Was it somebody at Sports Illustrated? This popular magazine broke
some of the details this week and it now seems apparent that the
author sucking up to some anti-Kobe source. How else to explain SI's
selective use of snippets of the statement designed to make Bryant
look bad?
All of this will impact the media's claim for release of the whole
criminal file. Lots of cats are out of the bag now and a judge just
might open up everything to end this game of frequent strategic
leaking. The more we know, the greater chance this civil trial will go
.... at least up to the point when the accuser and her attorneys will
once again have fateful decisions to make. Stay tuned.
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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3742914/detail.html
Wow! The Rosh Hashanah release of the secret Kobe Bryant police
statement provided lots of new information and insights that may
scuttle conventional wisdom that the civil case will soon go away.
This could be the start of a whole new year of litigation for the NBA
superstar and his accuser. Sadly, some of these revelations may also
be new to Vanessa Bryant and that may also lead to some imminent
family court litigation.
In his effort to extricate himself from the Eagle encounter with the
cops, Kobe Bryant spoke of a woman named Michelle who meets him
frequently in New York for some neck-grabbing intercourse. That cannot
be pleasant news at the Bryant breakfast table on the other coast.
I posted about bryants 'new york' girlfriend at least six months ago. The
'rumor' apparently now proven, was that bryant had just returned from new
york and his fling with his girlfriend there immediately prior to coming to
colorado.
Who could have sent this anonymous but accurate CD and transcript to
the Vail Daily? Only someone with access. I do not think it was the
accuser's attorneys.
Look at all that they likely lost with this publication. Most of Kobe
Bryant's incentive to settle was just eliminated. The embarrassing
assertions that were previously secret are now the stuff of headlines.
Not quite, the X-rated portions have been redacted from publication by the
Vail daily. In court, the whole *uneditted version* would be admitted. If
you had followed this closely, it was stated that the language used by
bryant had been censored from this tape, and the particular sex act that
bryant wanted the victim to perform on him was also deleted from this
version, as was the name of the 'teammate' bryant accused of paying
*millions* to other women to 'make their charges go away' has also been
withheld. This was an *edited* version of the actual tape.
These headlines dramatically increase the likelihood that the civil
case will go forward. The public release and distribution of this
statement removes a lot of the accuser's leverage. The threat of a
criminal trial was previous leverage lost. What now is the threat to
Kobe Bryant?
See above:
Money is no obstacle to this multi-millionaire.
Colorado's severe tort reform laws will apply and caps on damages will
prevent the kind of humungous monetary award that might be possible
and could seriously dent him in another state.
Insofar as the upcoming season and worries about a distraction,
remember a few things. Kobe Bryant played pretty great when he was
healthy last year. The Lakers are not likely going to contend for a
championship this year anyway. Kobe Bryant will not have to be present
during all the civil litigation as he was during the criminal case.
However, the thought of Michelle (and possible other paramours) being
deposed might be a serious incentive to still pay some hush money.
Plaintiffs' attorneys might even attempt to depose Vanessa Bryant
about her husband's sexual proclivities. That too suggests some
settlement money might still be paid.
Then again, Team Kobe may well feel that it can successfully once
again call the accuser's latest bluff. Think about how her alleged
mental health and/or substance abuser problems will likely now be
deemed relevant to the civil issues of causation and damages. After
all, if this young lady was unwilling to testify in September before a
jury in her hometown of Eagle, what makes anyone think she will really
go forward with testifying someday in front of a Denver civil jury? A
cynic might offer the following answer: MOOLAH. In fact, that is what
Kobe Bryant suggested as a motive to the Eagle County cops.
While hardly conclusive, Kobe Bryant's recorded statement seems more
consistent with being an adulterer than a rapist. There is no smoking
gun there. This cheating husband seems genuinely surprised about the
accuser's bleeding. Could it be, as Dr. Elizabeth Johnson opined, that
sex after Bryant with Mr. X, caused the majority of any heavy
bleeding?
Nope, the bleeding has been proven by bryants own clothes.
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While hardly conclusive, Kobe Bryant's recorded statement seems more
consistent with being an adulterer than a rapist. There is no smoking
gun there. This cheating husband seems genuinely surprised about the
accuser's bleeding. Could it be, as Dr. Elizabeth Johnson opined, that
sex after Bryant with Mr. X, caused the majority of any heavy
bleeding?
Nope, the bleeding has been proven by bryants own clothes.
He said the *majority* of the heavy bleeding was caused by Mr. X. The blood
on Kobe's shirt was just a couple specs and none showed up on his white
boxers. Meanwhile, she had alot of blood on the yellow underwear that she
wore to the exam. None of Kobe's showed up on the yellow underwear. And Mr
X's semen was in great quantity in those underwear. However, on the purple
underwear that she wore during the "rape", no blood, with both Mr X and
Kobe's DNA in them.
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tinydancer wrote:
Not quite, the X-rated portions have been redacted from publication by the
Vail daily. In court, the whole *uneditted version* would be admitted. If
you had followed this closely, it was stated that the language used by
bryant had been censored from this tape, and the particular sex act that
bryant wanted the victim to perform on him was also deleted from this
version,
No, the paticular sex act that Bryant wanted the accusor to
perform on him was not redacted. They left "blow job" in
unedited.
as was the name of the 'teammate' bryant accused of paying
*millions* to other women to 'make their charges go away' has also been
withheld.
Nope, nice try. That rumor was unsubstantiated, apocryphal,
and as it turns out, false. 1) The redactions were for
language & graphic content, and VD did not indicate any other
reason. 2) The redactions are marked with ellipses, so you
can see where and it what context they edited; 3) The audio
is available online.
This was an *edited* version of the actual tape.
Yeah, for some reason the Vail Daily (probably waiting for
November sweeps) left out the part where he threw up his
hands, admitted raping her, killing Nicole Simpson, running
Shaq out of town, approving 'Ishtar' for release, hiding
all the WMDs in Iraq, sheltering Bin Laden, and causing
global warming.
Nope, the bleeding has been proven by bryants own clothes.
Don Tiberone already covered most of this. There were
minute traces of blood, which it took a forensic examination
to find, present on his shirt. Given the amount and pattern
of bleeding, it lends more support to the post-Bryant sex
causing the majority of the bleeding.
Larry Coon
University of California
The NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
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In article <cilroj$3mb@dispatch.concentric.net>,
Don Tiberone <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote:
While hardly conclusive, Kobe Bryant's recorded statement seems more
consistent with being an adulterer than a rapist. There is no smoking
gun there. This cheating husband seems genuinely surprised about the
accuser's bleeding. Could it be, as Dr. Elizabeth Johnson opined, that
sex after Bryant with Mr. X, caused the majority of any heavy
bleeding?
He said the *majority* of the heavy bleeding was caused by Mr. X. The blood
on Kobe's shirt was just a couple specs and none showed up on his white
boxers. Meanwhile, she had alot of blood on the yellow underwear that she
wore to the exam. None of Kobe's showed up on the yellow underwear. And Mr
X's semen was in great quantity in those underwear. However, on the purple
underwear that she wore during the "rape", no blood, with both Mr X and
Kobe's DNA in them.
What makes you so sure the white boxers Kobe gave the police were the ones
he was wearing the night before?
Also, a lot of people here talk about Mr. X's semen showing up in "great
quantity." Yet reports I've seen talk about a few old sperm cells with
broken tails. Do you have a source for that "great quantity" thing? Or is
that just you promoting defense spin?
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"Larry Coon" <lcnospam@assist.org> schreef in bericht
news:414EDFF9.3DE7@assist.org...
tinydancer wrote:
Nope, the bleeding has been proven by bryants own clothes.
Don Tiberone already covered most of this. There were
minute traces of blood, which it took a forensic examination
to find, present on his shirt. Given the amount and pattern
of bleeding, it lends more support to the post-Bryant sex
causing the majority of the bleeding.
And that goes to show how a little deception goes a long way.
Because the only real evidence I always thought existed
against Bryant is "the blood" on his shirt.
I already noted that it was likely not to have been visible
to the naked eye, because otherwise Bryant would have
noticed it.
Alex
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