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I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he
pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my
trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made
hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million
other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper
hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other
million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle
of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license
plate.
Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out.
He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a
warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he
will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him, since
he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and will
probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this is
bull#@($. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not
speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones
plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?
I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my
tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even
drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
Citizen
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citizen@_______.com spoke thus:
I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my
tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even
drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
I've been pulled over before in similar fashion - cop follows you for
awhile, you drive slowly, get pulled over, go through the whole "Got any
drugs?" routine, submit to a search just to get out of there, etc.
People who wonder why other people hate law enforcement are morons.
--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said
he
pulled me over because he could not read my license plate
because my
trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory
made
hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a
million
other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a
bumper
hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the
other
million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the
middle
of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the
license
plate.
Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check
me out.
He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a
warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it
again, he
will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him,
since
he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and
will
probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this
is
bull#@($. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was
not
speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read
everyones
plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?
I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on
my
tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong,
and even
drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate
be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version:
5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to
the
vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from
swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly
visible,
and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly
legible.
All you have to do is comply with a very simple law. If you don't
comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference
whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes
not difference whether the trailer hitch was a standard factory
made hitch. It makes not difference whether you were doing
anything else wrong when your violation was noticed. There is
nothing wrong with cops reading license plates regardless of
whether the vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it
be silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at license
plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at the license
plates of cars that are not stolen?
I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball
mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the
license easilly legible. Seems easy enough.
McGyver
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McGyver wrote:
The vehicle code in your state will require that the
license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is
California's version:
5201. License plates shall at all times be securely
fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the
plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as
to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be
clearly
legible.
It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision
the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in
it's entirety, from all angles/views.
All you have to do is comply with a very simple law.
See above. It ain't so simple.
If
you don't comply with the law, you may be cited, and it
makes no difference whether millions of other people
violate the same law. It makes not difference whether the
trailer hitch was a standard factory made hitch. It makes
not difference whether you were doing anything else wrong
when your violation was noticed. There is nothing wrong
with cops reading license plates regardless of whether the
vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it be
silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at
license plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at
the license plates of cars that are not stolen?
I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch
ball mounted upside down, so that the ball extends
downward, making the license easilly legible.
From all/every angle ?
Not.
Seems easy
enough.
McGyver
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EnjoyDialup wrote:
same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball
blocking your number plate.
But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached
to the ball, eh?
think of it from a speed
cameras point of view.
Why?
it cant tilt it's head to get a
better angle.
Don't matter, the law was written long before "speed cameras"
came into play.
just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on
when you need to tow something.
Naw.
the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the
road laws :)
Cops are never right, moron.
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <Greyprof@msn.com>
wrote:
I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball
mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the
license easilly legible. Seems easy enough.
McGyver
Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a
hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the
trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and
all the contents would spill out.
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webmarketing@sendspam.com wrote in news:83pcl0lsiiphb4kdb0amthvnfs658lmtf2@
4ax.com:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <Greyprof@msn.com>
wrote:
Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a
hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the
trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and
all the contents would spill out.
Not if you flipped the car over first. So few people actually think a
problem all the way through before posting!
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
McGyver wrote:
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Skip wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles"
<so@damocl.es> wrote:
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EnjoyDialup wrote:
When you have a traler attached you are required to have a
number plate on the back of the trailer.
Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?
no loop hole
there :)
Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does
NOT have to be visible "at all times".
because that is the reason for the law:- to prevent people
from getting away with trafic offences due to an obscured
number plate.
Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before
speed cameras, numbnuts.
under the same set of laws your not allowd to have mud
plashed up on the plate or those glass covers on them that
reflect the light back at the cameras.
Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that
does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
it cant tilt it's head to get a
better angle.
See above statment.
Which proves your claim to be false.
just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on
when you need to tow something.
Then put up with the fines. that is the choice we all
have. comply with the law, or be punished.
You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you?
Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die
in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.
I guess there
is a third option, change the law. but it's not likly.
Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the
road laws :)
try telling one that and see how many extra tickets you get!
What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies
as spineless as you?
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
EnjoyDialup wrote:
Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?
Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does
NOT have to be visible "at all times".
Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before
speed cameras, numbnuts.
Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that
does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
Which proves your claim to be false.
You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you?
Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die
in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.
Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies
as spineless as you?
The law here in NSW is very clear, and leaves little scope for debate.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rtrr1998478/s24.html
Interestingly, the legistlators have moved away from the traddition of
trying to express complex geometrical ideas in words, and have simply
provided diagrams.
Is the law in the particular US state in question really so vague? Or is
this thread just a convenient excuse for a slanging match where facts
are largely irrelevant?
Sylvia.
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McGyver wrote:
(snip)
All you have to do is comply with a very simple law. If you don't
comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference
whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes
(snip)
Yup. It is absolutely true that you can be cited
for a law even if other people routinely violate
the law. The only thing restraining "selective
enforcement" is that it must be done in a way
that discriminates on the basis of race, religion,
(and a few other things as mentioned in federal
anti-discrimination laws). They can do it because
they "don't like your face" as long as the reason
they don't like your face is not a prohibited
reason.
It would of course be preferable if they were
required to be even handed and reasonable in
the enforcement of the laws, but the only thing
you can do is see to it that the sheriff is not
reelected.
I am not a lawyer. I do not even see email sent to this address, due to
past DOS attacks. If you wish to respond, do so through this newsgroup.
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Steve Furbish wrote:
C.R. Krieger wrote:
Who said anything about all?
Are you illiterate, stupid or both?
"will almost invariably block the clear view of **all** numbers"
You mentioned Wisconsin. The
most recent version of their statute that I could find reads "(2)
Registration
plates shall be attached firmly and rigidly in a
horizontal position and conspicuous place. The plates
shall at all times be maintained in a legible condition and shall be so
displayed that they can be readily and distinctly seen and read.
Can't be "readily and disctinctly seen and read" if
there is a trailer, plated or otherwise, blocking the view
now can they?
Any
peace
officer may require the operator of any vehicle on which
plates are
not properly displayed to display such plates as required
by this section."
A 2-inch ball can arguably defy that readily and distinctly
seen and read requirement.
So can the ENTIRE trailer.
If all one can see is F2__54 when
following you then
the reading part isn't met. The plate is designed to
identify your vehicle from a normal following distance without having to
swerve from shoulder to shoulder to do so.
Bwahahahahahaaaaa! You're still an idiot.
I don't know how it would be
enforced in Wisconsin, but in Maine it'd be a civil violation and
although admittedly a cheap pinch - easy to prove.
Steve
P.S. I don't want your truck
PSS. You loser, you don't get it.
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Steve Furbish wrote:
Are you illiterate, stupid or both?
Do you {still} get told to eat #@($ often?
"will almost invariably block the clear view of **all** numbers"
It's a little difficult to use inflection in this medium and even more
difficult to get an idea across to one bent on being disagreeable, but
despite your feigned failure to comprehend there is a difference between
blocking the clear view of **all** of the numbers (as in they are all
supposed to be visible) and and blocking the plate to that none of the
numbers are visible.
You mentioned Wisconsin. The
most recent version of their statute that I could find reads "(2)
Registration
plates shall be attached firmly and rigidly in a
horizontal position and conspicuous place. The plates
shall at all times be maintained in a legible condition and shall be so
displayed that they can be readily and distinctly seen and read.
Can't be "readily and disctinctly seen and read" if
there is a trailer, plated or otherwise, blocking the view
now can they?
Which, despite the whinings of a few here, is why in most states you are
required to register that trailer and display a plate on it. In the case of
Wisconsin, If Krieger is correct about small trailers not requiring a plate,
I suspect that you'd be in violation pulling that trailer unless the plate
on your car or truck was visible.
If all one can see is F2__54 when
following you then
the reading part isn't met. The plate is designed to
identify your vehicle from a normal following distance without having to
swerve from shoulder to shoulder to do so.
Bwahahahahahaaaaa! You're still an idiot.
And your breath still reeks of feces.
Steve
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Steve Furbish wrote:
Do you {still} get told to eat #@($ often?
It's a little difficult to use inflection in this medium
Try simple English first, moron.
and even more difficult to get an idea across to one bent
on being disagreeable, but despite your feigned failure to
comprehend there is a difference between blocking the clear
view of **all** of the numbers (as in they are all supposed
to be visible) and and blocking the plate to that none of
the numbers are visible.
You stammering jackass, you're as illiterate as G aWol Bu$h.
You mentioned Wisconsin. The
most recent version of their statute that I could find
reads "(2) Registration
plates shall be attached firmly and rigidly in a
horizontal position and conspicuous place. The plates
shall at all times be maintained in a legible condition
and shall be so displayed that they can be readily and
distinctly seen and read.
Which, despite the whinings of a few here, is why in most
states you are required to register that trailer and
display a plate on it.
So you'll have no problem posting a citation to an
actuall law that excempts the vehicle's plate from
unobstructed clear visibility as long as there is a
plated (or otherwise) trailer obstructing the view, eh?
In the case of Wisconsin, If Krieger
is correct about small trailers not requiring a plate, I
suspect that you'd be in violation pulling that trailer
unless the plate on your car or truck was visible.
Bwhahahahaaaaaaaaaa!
Are you going to be a blithering imbecile all you life Stevie?
Or do you plan on evolving one day?
If all one can see is F2__54 when
following you then
the reading part isn't met. The plate is designed to
identify your vehicle from a normal following distance
without having to swerve from shoulder to shoulder to do
so.
And your breath still reeks of feces.
Sez Stevie Furrybush, the village idiot.
Steve
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