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Did Trump Make a Legal Goof In Firing Stacie J?



"New Question"
9/25/2004 1:46:05 PM


From: http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/9/emw161758.htm
Did Trump Make a Legal Goof In Firing Stacie J?
Apprentice contestant deemed "crazy" by other applicants and accepted by
Trump as a basis for termination could have actually violated the American
Disabilities Act.
Baltimore, MD (PRWEB) September 24, 2005 -- According to the American
Disabilities Act ("ADA"), a company covered by the Act, may not discriminate
against a qualified individual with a disability because of the disability
of such individual in regard to job application procedures such as hiring,
advancement, or discharge of employees.
The term Adisability@ according to the ADA means, with respect to an
individual, one who: (1) has a physical or mental impairment that
substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of that
person, (2) has a record of such an impairment, or (3) is regarded as having
such an impairment. However, to be protected by the ADA, an individual with
a disability must be able to perform the essential functions of the
employment position for which the individual applied. The ADA protects
individuals from discrimination even if they are not yet employed, but are
only applying for a job.
Against this legal backdrop, a review of the events of Thursday's latest
Apprentice reality T.V. program indicates that there were various ADA issues
that Mr. Trump's legal staff should have brought to his attention prior to
his decision to fire Stacie J. Essentially, on the first episode of the new
series Stacie J exhibited signs of what her teammates deemed was irrational
behavior. What viewers saw was unclear. At one point Stacie irrationally
believed that other team members were purposely ignoring her. She also
exhibited other signs of erratic behavior, including picking up an eight
ball and using it to forecast the future. Her teammates claimed they felt
threatened and were nervous around her following the episode and dismissed
her as a serious player following the event.
In the following episodes, Stacie was given low level or in some cases
completely meaningless tasks. She was called into the boardroom on two
consecutive episodes, although, admittedly, the other team members had
difficulty identifying specific tasks that she failed at. Finally, one of
the team members confessed to Mr. Trump that the reason for Stacie's
appearance in the boardroom was due primarily because of the erratic
behavior she exhibited in Episode 1 and the concerns those presented. One of
the team members even suggested that Stacie's condition may be clinical.
After Trump verified with the other team members as to the accuracy of those
events he fired Stacie for being a "loose cannon."
Prior to Trump's decision, had Trump considered the ADA, he would have been
privy to this ADA analysis. Stacie J may actually have had a mental
disability. Whether her condition was schizophrenia, paranoia or borderline
personality disorder, she may have been covered by the ADA. However, even if
Stacie J had in fact no disability, if Trump regarded her as being disabled,
meaning if he wrote her off as "crazy", a "loose cannon" or something of the
like, then arguably his company regarded her as being disabled and she would
then likely be entitled to ADA protection.
In Trump's defense, his best argument for firing Stacie in spite of the ADA
was that he couldn't take a chance with someone like her running one of his
companies. In other words, Stacie J could not perform the "essential
functions" of the position. Understandably, the position Trump had was of
such high level, that he simply couldn't bet the ranch on a crazy person.
However, given the dynamics of the show, this defense, while strong on its
face, may not actually prevail. The show provides Trump a unique opportunity
to actually observe and review each candidate's performance. As such, the
issue is not strictly whether Stacie J is a loose cannon, but rather whether
that craziness interferes with her ability to perform the essential
functions of the job. Consequently, what Trump should have done is to verify
from the team members that Stacie J failed at various tasks on the weekly
project. Unlike many employers interviewing candidates for a position, their
knowledge of a candidate's performance ability is second hand, as it comes
through either a resume or professional reference.
As such, had Stacie J, week after week, been able to perform on the projects
at a high level and repeatedly demonstrate her reliability, business
judgment and responsibility, she could have shown Mr. Trump over that time
period her ability to be the apprentice. In such case, his concern that she
was a "loose cannon" would be legally unjustified.
In this case, what was lacking from the reports of Stacie's team members was
the identification of specific tasks at which she failed which demonstrate
that she could not perform the essential elements of the eventual position.
Trump had to hear something along the lines of "Stacie J failed at the task
of securing the toothpaste correctly, which was essential to the project.
She failed because she didn't account for x, y, and z. This put the project
in jeopardy."
Instead, the team members Maria and Liz, really couldn't identify any
specific tasks she ruined. In the prior episode, the project leader, Ivana,
admitted to knowingly placing Stacie on a task that was useless in order to
get her out of the way. However, it appeared to viewers that she did that
based on her perception of Stacie J. In that sense, there is no question
that Ivana regarded Stacie J as disabled in accordance with the ADA statute.
Finally, it should be noted that in no way does this article suggest or
allege that: (a) Donald Trump is a bigot; (b) Donald Trump knowingly or
actually violated the ADA statute; or (c) Stacie J would actually prevail in
a lawsuit. It does however, affirmatively suggest to managers, business
owners and human resource departments across America that it is illegal to
simply terminate an employee for a profound belief of that employee's mental
instability.
About Morris E. Fischer, Esq.
Mr. Fischer is a partner of the law firm, Snider & Fischer, LLC, based in
Baltimore, Maryland. The firm concentrates in employment law with an
emphasis in employment discrimination. Readers can learn more about the firm
at their website, www.1800discrimination.com
Contact:
Morris E. Fischer, Esq.
1-800-DISCRIMINATION
www.1800discrimination.com
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gordonb.bhjyg@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
9/26/2004 9:13:13 AM


Well no she wasn't an employee but one may argue she was interviewing for
the job.
The show calls itself "an N-week job interview", where I forget the
value of N, maybe 15.
I think the weakness in the argument is, just because a couple of
co-contestants called her "crazy" doesn't mean she actually has an
"impairment" as defined by the ADA.
I believe the ADA refers to "a disability or PERCEIVED disability".
I suggest that this means you cannot fire someone for being infested
with cooties (a contagious disease common in upper-elementary-school
students of the opposite sex from the person making the accusation)
WHETHER OR NOT COOTIES EXIST, or whether or not it's even known if
cooties exist or not.
And even if she did have an "impairment" of course Trump could say that it
did affect "essential functions of the
employment position for which the individual applied" because you can't have
a bizarre-acting person running a multi-million-dollar enterprise. (Don't
tell Eisner that)
I think it comes down to whether or not a person applying for a
high-level managerial position can do the job if some real or
imagined mental problem causes the people who will be working for
her:
- to think she's nuts.
- to be afraid of her.
- to believe she really believes an 8-ball can predict the future.
(all of these were expressed on the show). I think she's unfit for
the job if she really makes people think that. She probably isn't
unfit for EVERY job in the Trump organization, but maybe she shouldn't
have people reporting to her. Especially for upper-level management,
it's difficult to lead if your people don't trust you and are afraid
of you.
It may also be unpopular to mention that if someone has a medical
condition that makes them have a face that looks like they came
straight out of a horror movie (and assuming this can't be camoflaged,
and nowadays covering your face up almost entirely like an Arab
woman makes people think you are a terrorist, which is even more
scary than looking like the wolf man or Frankenstein), they are
probably unfit for a sales job that requires constant contact with
the public, especially if they are selling or serving food. They
might do fine in accounting.
Question: is stupidity a disability? Does it violate the ADA
to refuse to hire someone who isn't exactly as smart as a rocket
scientest for a job designing rockets?
Another question: assuming Trump's legal advisors DID talk with him
about ADA issues with this firing, do you think they'd put that part
on the air?
Gordon L. Burditt
 
 
"Ray Gordon"
9/27/2004 5:34:49 PM


y non-lawyer comments:
1. Technically, perceived disability equates to actual disability, and one
could argue that she was indeed perceived as disabled. They can argue that
the assessments were deliberately exaggerated for the cameras. She also has
probably signed a release (what damages does one suffer by becoming a
celebrity again?)
2. The next question I'd consider is how Trump would treat her if she just
wanted a job in his organization. One could argue that none of the
apprentices were qualified to begin with, and that he's giving all of them a
break. I'm sure in real life he wouldn't discriminate.
That said, I could see people giving Trump the business over this in the
media, but I doubt you'd ever see it go to court.
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From: http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/9/emw161758.htm
Did Trump Make a Legal Goof In Firing Stacie J?
Apprentice contestant deemed "crazy" by other applicants and accepted by
Trump as a basis for termination could have actually violated the American
Disabilities Act.
Baltimore, MD (PRWEB) September 24, 2005 -- According to the American
Disabilities Act ("ADA"), a company covered by the Act, may not
discriminate
against a qualified individual with a disability because of the disability
of such individual in regard to job application procedures such as hiring,
advancement, or discharge of employees.
The term Adisability@ according to the ADA means, with respect to an
individual, one who: (1) has a physical or mental impairment that
substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of that
person, (2) has a record of such an impairment, or (3) is regarded as
having
such an impairment. However, to be protected by the ADA, an individual
with
a disability must be able to perform the essential functions of the
employment position for which the individual applied. The ADA protects
individuals from discrimination even if they are not yet employed, but are
only applying for a job.
Against this legal backdrop, a review of the events of Thursday's latest
Apprentice reality T.V. program indicates that there were various ADA
issues
that Mr. Trump's legal staff should have brought to his attention prior to
his decision to fire Stacie J. Essentially, on the first episode of the
new
series Stacie J exhibited signs of what her teammates deemed was
irrational
behavior. What viewers saw was unclear. At one point Stacie irrationally
believed that other team members were purposely ignoring her. She also
exhibited other signs of erratic behavior, including picking up an eight
ball and using it to forecast the future. Her teammates claimed they felt
threatened and were nervous around her following the episode and dismissed
her as a serious player following the event.
In the following episodes, Stacie was given low level or in some cases
completely meaningless tasks. She was called into the boardroom on two
consecutive episodes, although, admittedly, the other team members had
difficulty identifying specific tasks that she failed at. Finally, one of
the team members confessed to Mr. Trump that the reason for Stacie's
appearance in the boardroom was due primarily because of the erratic
behavior she exhibited in Episode 1 and the concerns those presented. One
of
the team members even suggested that Stacie's condition may be clinical.
After Trump verified with the other team members as to the accuracy of
those
events he fired Stacie for being a "loose cannon."
Prior to Trump's decision, had Trump considered the ADA, he would have
been
privy to this ADA analysis. Stacie J may actually have had a mental
disability. Whether her condition was schizophrenia, paranoia or
borderline
personality disorder, she may have been covered by the ADA. However, even
if
Stacie J had in fact no disability, if Trump regarded her as being
disabled,
meaning if he wrote her off as "crazy", a "loose cannon" or something of
the
like, then arguably his company regarded her as being disabled and she
would
then likely be entitled to ADA protection.
In Trump's defense, his best argument for firing Stacie in spite of the
ADA
was that he couldn't take a chance with someone like her running one of
his
companies. In other words, Stacie J could not perform the "essential
functions" of the position. Understandably, the position Trump had was of
such high level, that he simply couldn't bet the ranch on a crazy person.
However, given the dynamics of the show, this defense, while strong on its
face, may not actually prevail. The show provides Trump a unique
opportunity
to actually observe and review each candidate's performance. As such, the
issue is not strictly whether Stacie J is a loose cannon, but rather
whether
that craziness interferes with her ability to perform the essential
functions of the job. Consequently, what Trump should have done is to
verify
from the team members that Stacie J failed at various tasks on the weekly
project. Unlike many employers interviewing candidates for a position,
their
knowledge of a candidate's performance ability is second hand, as it comes
through either a resume or professional reference.
As such, had Stacie J, week after week, been able to perform on the
projects
at a high level and repeatedly demonstrate her reliability, business
judgment and responsibility, she could have shown Mr. Trump over that time
period her ability to be the apprentice. In such case, his concern that
she
was a "loose cannon" would be legally unjustified.
In this case, what was lacking from the reports of Stacie's team members
was
the identification of specific tasks at which she failed which demonstrate
that she could not perform the essential elements of the eventual
position.
Trump had to hear something along the lines of "Stacie J failed at the
task
of securing the toothpaste correctly, which was essential to the project.
She failed because she didn't account for x, y, and z. This put the
project
in jeopardy."
Instead, the team members Maria and Liz, really couldn't identify any
specific tasks she ruined. In the prior episode, the project leader,
Ivana,
admitted to knowingly placing Stacie on a task that was useless in order
to
get her out of the way. However, it appeared to viewers that she did that
based on her perception of Stacie J. In that sense, there is no question
that Ivana regarded Stacie J as disabled in accordance with the ADA
statute.
Finally, it should be noted that in no way does this article suggest or
allege that: (a) Donald Trump is a bigot; (b) Donald Trump knowingly or
actually violated the ADA statute; or (c) Stacie J would actually prevail
in
a lawsuit. It does however, affirmatively suggest to managers, business
owners and human resource departments across America that it is illegal to
simply terminate an employee for a profound belief of that employee's
mental
 
 
"Ray Gordon"
9/27/2004 5:37:37 PM


Was this woman actually an employee? You seem to believe she was but
don't offer any arguments
ADA also covers applicants for employment, and the program calls what is
going on an extended interview for a job.
Actually this would probably be classified as an audition for an
*entertainment* job.
 
 
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