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Glenn Sacks - All Rights Reserved. - Despite its many painful and unseemly
aspects, the Kobe Bryant rape case and the media storm surrounding it have
drawn attention to a severely neglected problem: false rape accusations.
In her recent Daily Journal column, high profile feminist professor Wendy
Murphy dismisses the problem of false accusations as an "ugly myth," and
calls for "boiling rage" activism to address what she perceives as the
anti-woman bias of the criminal justice system. Like many victims'
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene
J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants
eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior,
Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large
Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were
recanted by the accuser.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an
alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the
feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression.
His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little
attention.
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study
of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either
just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that
no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found
that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were "spite
or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic
Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).
A Washington Post investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and
Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were
unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims admitted
that they had lied.
It is true, of course, that not every accuser who recants had accused
falsely. But it is also true that some who do not recant were not telling
the truth.
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000
sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven
years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were
inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal
National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests
that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate
erroneous accusations and convictions."
That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several
prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York
County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of Sexual
Violence: Our War Against Rape, says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape
each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen."
Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous
prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape
accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the
Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest
veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most
falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit
commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are false.
The media has largely ignored these studies and experts and has instead
promoted the notion that only 2% of rape allegations are false. This figure
was made famous by feminist Susan Brownmiller in her 1975 book Against Our
Will: Men, Women and Rape. Brownmiller was relaying the alleged comments of
a New York judge concerning the rate of false rape accusations in a New York
City police precinct in 1974.
A 1997 Columbia Journalism Review analysis of rape statistics noted that the
2% statistic is often falsely attributed to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, and has no clear and credible study to support it. The FBI's
statistic for "unfounded" rape accusations is 9%, but this definition only
includes cases where the accuser recants or the evidence contradicts her
story. Instances where the case is dismissed for lack of evidence are not
included in the "unfounded" category. Brownmiller's credibility can be
assessed by her assertion in Against Our Will that rape is "nothing more or
less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all
women in a state of fear."
Murphy also contends that the criminal justice system is stacked against
women, and that the law reform initiatives promoted during the past three
decades have "failed to make a bit of difference in the justice system's
handling of rape cases." In reality, feminist advocacy and the now
ubiquitous rape-shield laws have made an enormous difference in the way the
system treats rape cases.
Some of these changes have been fair, and have led to greater protections
for rape victims. However, others have made it more difficult for men to
defend themselves, with at times horrifying consequences for the accused.
For example, in December, the Arkansas Supreme Court denied an appeal by
Ralph Taylor, who is serving a 13-year sentence for rape. The court held
that evidence of the victim's alleged prior false allegations of rape was
inadmissible because it was considered sexual conduct within the meaning of
the state's rape shield statute. In that case, the defense proffered the
testimony of two friends of the alleged victim, both of whom claimed that
she had previously falsely accused another man of raping her. The court
added that admitting such evidence could "inflame the jury."
In her book Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True
Equality, Boston Globe columnist Cathy Young details numerous questionable
rulings in which potentially innocent men were prevented from properly
defending themselves by the rape shield laws which Murphy endorses.
One of these cases concerns an 18 year-old Wisconsin boy named Charles
Steadman, who in 1993 was sentenced to eight years in prison for allegedly
raping an older woman. Steadman was prohibited from revealing that his
accuser was currently facing criminal charges of having sex with minors, and
thus had an excellent reason to claim that the sex with Steadman was not
consensual. Such evidence was deemed related to his accuser's sexual history
and thus inadmissible.
In 1997, sportscaster Marv Albert was accused of assault and battery during
a sexual encounter with a woman with whom he had had a 10-year sexual
relationship. Albert sought to introduce evidence that his accuser, who had
been in a mental hospital six weeks before the alleged assault, had
previously made false accusations against men who had left her, as Albert,
who was engaged to be married, was planning to do. Albert's offer of proof
was denied, compromising his ability to defend himself. Facing a possible
life sentence, he chose to plead guilty to misdemeanor assault.
Murphy's dogged attack
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I know first hand (actually a lesser charge than rape) that the entire legal
system will be on the side of the accuser. The accused has absolutely zero
rights.
In real life, cops will lie to better their careers. For the same reason,
prosecutors will do their very best to hide exculpatory evidence from the
jury. The accuser will be coached and she will shed crocodile tears. Her
account may be completely different than that on the indictment (but the
jury will never know). The prosecutor will ask the jury, "you saw her
crying...what does she possibly have to gain in coming here today..."
In my case, at least $25,000 USD in worthless legal fees. If I would have
known, I would have bonded out and gone south right away with more of my own
hard earned assets.
Get to know the evil system before it gets to know you.
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advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
you understand of course that in a civil case unlike a criminal
instead of smugly remaining silent while his lawyers destroy a womam
kobe can be forced to testify in open court
and if he lies then tried for perjury
arf meow arf
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http://www.speakoutvail.com/story2.shtml
Glenn Sacks - All Rights Reserved. - Despite its many painful and unseemly
aspects, the Kobe Bryant rape case and the media storm surrounding it have
drawn attention to a severely neglected problem: false rape accusations.
In her recent Daily Journal column, high profile feminist professor Wendy
Murphy dismisses the problem of false accusations as an "ugly myth," and
calls for "boiling rage" activism to address what she perceives as the
anti-woman bias of the criminal justice system. Like many victims'
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could
be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist
Eugene
J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants
eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual
Behavior,
Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large
Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were
recanted by the accuser.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for
an
alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the
feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual
aggression.
His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little
attention.
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a
study
of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either
just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it,
that
no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found
that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were
"spite
or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic
Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).
A Washington Post investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and
Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were
unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims
admitted
that they had lied.
It is true, of course, that not every accuser who recants had accused
falsely. But it is also true that some who do not recant were not telling
the truth.
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000
sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven
years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were
inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal
National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests
that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate
erroneous accusations and convictions."
That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several
prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York
County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of
Sexual
Violence: Our War Against Rape, says, "there are about 4,000 reports of
rape
each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen."
Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous
prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape
accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on the
Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any honest
veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the
most
falsely reported crimes." According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault
unit
commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are
false.
The media has largely ignored these studies and experts and has instead
promoted the notion that only 2% of rape allegations are false. This
figure
was made famous by feminist Susan Brownmiller in her 1975 book Against Our
Will: Men, Women and Rape. Brownmiller was relaying the alleged comments
of
a New York judge concerning the rate of false rape accusations in a New
York
City police precinct in 1974.
A 1997 Columbia Journalism Review analysis of rape statistics noted that
the
2% statistic is often falsely attributed to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, and has no clear and credible study to support it. The
FBI's
statistic for "unfounded" rape accusations is 9%, but this definition only
includes cases where the accuser recants or the evidence contradicts her
story. Instances where the case is dismissed for lack of evidence are not
included in the "unfounded" category. Brownmiller's credibility can be
assessed by her assertion in Against Our Will that rape is "nothing more
or
less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all
women in a state of fear."
Murphy also contends that the criminal justice system is stacked against
women, and that the law reform initiatives promoted during the past three
decades have "failed to make a bit of difference in the justice system's
handling of rape cases." In reality, feminist advocacy and the now
ubiquitous rape-shield laws have made an enormous difference in the way
the
system treats rape cases.
Some of these changes have been fair, and have led to greater protections
for rape victims. However, others have made it more difficult for men to
defend themselves, with at times horrifying consequences for the accused.
For example, in December, the Arkansas Supreme Court denied an appeal by
Ralph Taylor, who is serving a 13-year sentence for rape. The court held
that evidence of the victim's alleged prior false allegations of rape was
inadmissible because it was considered sexual conduct within the meaning
of
the state's rape shield statute. In that case, the defense proffered the
testimony of two friends of the alleged victim, both of whom claimed that
she had previously falsely accused another man of raping her. The court
added that admitting such evidence could "inflame the jury."
In her book Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True
Equality, Boston Globe columnist Cathy Young details numerous questionable
rulings in which potentially innocent men were prevented from properly
defending themselves by the rape shield laws which Murphy endorses.
One of these cases concerns an 18 year-old Wisconsin boy named Charles
Steadman, who in 1993 was sentenced to eight years in prison for allegedly
raping an older woman. Steadman was prohibited from revealing that his
accuser was currently facing criminal charges of having sex with minors,
and
thus had an excellent reason to claim that the sex with Steadman was not
consensual. Such evidence was deemed related to his accuser's sexual
history
and thus inadmissible.
In 1997, sportscaster Marv Albert was accused of assault and battery
during
a sexual encounter with a woman with whom he had had a 10-year sexual
relationship. Albert sought to introduce evidence that his accuser, who
had
been in a mental hospital si
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s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> in
news:cj4haa$hvj@dispatch.concentric.net:
http://www.speakoutvail.com/story2.shtml
According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist
Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the
complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives
of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape
allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50
percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
and then there's the other 50%...
...
Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need
for an alibi or a desire for revenge.
....
The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were
"spite or revenge," and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame
(Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985).
guilt? gult for what?
A Washington Post investigation of rape reports in seven Virginia and
Maryland counties in 1990 and 1991 found that nearly one in four were
unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many of the alleged victims
admitted that they had lied.
It is true, of course, that not every accuser who recants had accused
falsely. But it is also true that some who do not recant were not
telling the truth.
ok, though rumsfeldian in phrasing...
http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/001298.html
:>
and some who recant were telling the truth...
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly
10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the
previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect,
1/5... so the girl's been molested by dad's DNA (or the top jock's DNA),
then she accuses a quietcalmlonernerdprofile schoolmate of raping her?
and another
2,000 were inconclusive.
inconclusive!
bestiality?
jar-jar is *fertile*??
or her mom's sperm? :>
The report notes that these figures mirror an
informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories,
and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic
problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions."
what were their 'false positives' stats for the control group of 'field
collected' DNA sampling? presumably, fewer than 1/5?
That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by
several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads
the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein,
the author of Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, says, "there are
about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about
half simply did not happen."
Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous
prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape
accusations occur with "scary frequency." As a regular commentator on
the Bryant trial for Denver's ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that "any
honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one
of the most falsely reported crimes."
and things only get worse once power-mad prosecutors incorporate the case
into their career jihad.....
According to Silverman, a Denver
sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly half of all reported
rape claims are false.
The media has largely ignored these studies and experts and has
instead promoted the notion that only 2% of rape allegations are
false. This figure was made famous by feminist Susan Brownmiller in
her 1975 book Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape. Brownmiller was
relaying the alleged comments of a New York judge concerning the rate
of false rape accusations in a New York City police precinct in 1974.
A 1997 Columbia Journalism Review analysis of rape statistics noted
that the 2% statistic is often falsely attributed to the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, and has no clear and credible study to
support it. The FBI's statistic for "unfounded" rape accusations is
9%, but this definition only includes cases where the accuser recants
or the evidence contradicts her story. Instances where the case is
dismissed for lack of evidence are not included in the "unfounded"
category.
so trying to divvy between two categories is invalid, since there are
always (at least) three categories.
Brownmiller's credibility can be assessed by her assertion
in Against Our Will that rape is "nothing more or less than a
conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a
state of fear."
dumb supposition, since all men don't try to intimidaet all women into
fear... but then, everyone's credibility can be mauled by their own
occasional wack statement.
Murphy also contends that the criminal justice system is stacked
against women, and that the law reform initiatives promoted during the
past three decades have "failed to make a bit of difference in the
justice system's handling of rape cases." In reality, feminist
advocacy and the now ubiquitous rape-shield laws have made an enormous
difference in the way the system treats rape cases.
Some of these changes have been fair, and have led to greater
protections for rape victims. However, others have made it more
difficult for men to defend themselves, with at times horrifying
consequences for the accused.
For example, in December, the Arkansas Supreme Court denied an appeal
by Ralph Taylor, who is serving a 13-year sentence for rape. The court
held that evidence of the victim's alleged prior false allegations of
rape was inadmissible because it was considered sexual conduct within
the meaning of the state's rape shield statute. In that case, the
defense proffered the testimony of two friends of the alleged victim,
both of whom claimed that she had previously falsely accused another
man of raping her. The court added that admitting such evidence could
"inflame the jury."
.... another antiamerican court ruling/decision to blame on those nasty
liberal atheist radical counterculture pc conspiracy ninth circuit
activist judges..
In her book Ceasefire: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve
True Equality, Boston Globe columnist Cathy Young details numerous
questionable rulings in which potentially innocent men were prevented
from properly defending themselves by the rape shield laws which
Murphy endorses.
boston globe? rephrase refrain.
One of these cases concerns an 18 year-old Wisconsin boy named Charles
Steadman, who in 1993 was sentenced to eight years in prison for
allegedly raping an older woman. Steadman was prohibited from
revealing that his accuser was currently facing criminal charges of
having sex with minors, and thus had an excellent reason to claim that
the sex with Steadman was not consensual. Such evidence was deemed
related to his accuser's sexual history and thus inadmissible.
and steadman was too old to file statutory rape charge against the older
woman ('22-year-old foster sister Jessica')...
In 1997, sportscaster Marv Albert was accused of assault and battery
during a sexual encounter with a woman with whom he had had a 10-year
sexual relationship. Albert sought to introduce evidence that his
accuser, who had been in a men
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-6ECB1C.14443425092004@corp.supernews.com...
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could
be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
you understand of course that in a civil case unlike a criminal
instead of smugly remaining silent while his lawyers destroy a womam
kobe can be forced to testify in open court
and if he lies then tried for perjury
You also understand that there will be no "rape shield" nonsense
preventing the introduction of HER past behavior to protect her
extortionist ass -- and that if SHE lies then SHE will be tried for
perjury AND extortion.
arf meow arf
Excuse yourself.
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> in
news:cj4haa$hvj@dispatch.concentric.net:
and then there's the other 50%...
That's no problem -- the legal system is on their side. It's the
false accusers from whom MEN need protection.
..
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guilt? gult for what?
What does it matter? False is false.
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In article <uXo5d.15138$54.229870@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-6ECB1C.14443425092004@corp.supernews.com...
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could
be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
You also understand that there will be no "rape shield" nonsense
preventing the introduction of HER past behavior to protect her
extortionist ass -- and that if SHE lies then SHE will be tried for
perjury AND extortion.
i wonder what kobe is going to say under penalty of perjury
arf meow arf
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In article <Zal5d.7676$W21.3658@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
"FernDog" <FernDog@WhoKnows.net> wrote:
I know first hand (actually a lesser charge than rape) that the entire legal
system will be on the side of the accuser. The accused has absolutely zero
rights.
helps if you dont build up a history of abuse and violence
In real life, cops will lie to better their careers. For the same reason,
police are there protect decent citizens
try being one some time
arf meow arf
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edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
you understand of course that in a civil case unlike a criminal
instead of smugly remaining silent while his lawyers destroy a womam
kobe can be forced to testify in open court
and if he lies then tried for perjury
Smugly?
Who can be smug when their freedom is being debated? How about he
remained silent because that is his right. It wasn't his choice to be
there. If the accuser can't stand the heat - which she obviously
couldn't - she should've gotten out of the kitchen - which she did.
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:54:48 +0000 (UTC), "ci+" <ci@ciNukeSpam.com>
and then there's the other 50%...
Which they'll argue were simply cases where the false accuser simply
didn't recant.
You gotta understand the mindset of these people. Rape doesn't exist in
their minds, and even if someone were raped, it's no big deal.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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ci+ wrote:
"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> in
news:cj4haa$hvj@dispatch.concentric.net:
guilt? gult for what?
Could be as simple as Tawana Brawley, guilt for staying out late and
partying with boys, which would get her severely beaten by her parents...
Or as in one example in the article, guilt for statutory rape...
Etcetera, etcetera...
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-13C575.19352125092004@corp.supernews.com...
helps if you dont build up a history of abuse and violence
My perfectly clean record made no difference.
police are there protect decent citizens
try being one some time
I've discovered that police and prosecutors are there to lie and help coach
the accuser, period. Since then, I have denounced my US citizenship and
forever left the country. Fortunately for me, my U.S. learned business
skills have made things quite comfortable in my new (macho oriented)
homeland. If there's a divorce, you kick out the wife (although I'm too
young to marry). If your dog bites someone, you get a band aid. If you
want to smoke in a night club, no problemo (although I don't smoke). You
want to drink a beer on the beach? Go right ahead.
I like it just like this, and don't worry, I didn't let the door hit me on
the way out.
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In article <10lcb25n044o38a@corp.supernews.com>,
Dennis Johnston <MyWholeEnchilada@yahoo.com> wrote:
edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
Smugly?
Who can be smug when their freedom is being debated? How about he
remained silent because that is his right. It wasn't his choice to be
not anymore
there. If the accuser can't stand the heat - which she obviously
couldn't - she should've gotten out of the kitchen - which she did.
now the defendant gets to go on the stand
i wonder how he will like the heat
arf meow arf
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In article <kHq5d.12610$Gk4.3390@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
"FernDog" <FernDog@WhoKnows.net> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-13C575.19352125092004@corp.supernews.com...
My perfectly clean record made no difference.
I've discovered that police and prosecutors are there to lie and help coach
the accuser, period. Since then, I have denounced my US citizenship and
forever left the country. Fortunately for me, my U.S. learned business
gosh
what a loss
arf meow arf
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-F5AF2A.19335525092004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <uXo5d.15138$54.229870@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
i wonder what kobe is going to say under penalty of perjury
And I wonder what Katelyn Faber will say under the same circumstances.
arf meow arf
Excuse yourself.
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In article <oDr5d.15144$54.230125@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-F5AF2A.19335525092004@corp.supernews.com...
And I wonder what Katelyn Faber will say under the same circumstances.
she could be compelled to testify at a criminal trial
just like kobe can be at civil trial
arf meow arf
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-7BDD3F.21463725092004@corp.supernews.com...
[Feminist] Murphy cannot seem to fathom
the possibility that Bryant could be
innocent.
You suffer from the same brain rot, "edens m...anges".
Further, your inability to refute the article posted
by s_knight8 regarding the huge false accusation
rate of "rape!" by women only highlights the
truth that many women MSuse accusations
of "rape!" for their own selfish ends.
However, research shows that false
allegations of rape are frighteningly
common.
she [Katelyn Faber] could be compelled to testify
at a criminal trial
Of course. According to the US Constitution,
the accused has the right to face the accuser
at trial. Your whine, "edens m...anges" is that
even men have civil rights including the right
to a fair trial. You clearly prefer that to be
abolished, "edens m...anges", which is one
of many reasons feminists like you fit the
label 'feminazi' so perfectly.
just like kobe can be at civil trial
See, there you go, "edens m...anges", showing
one and all that you aren't interested in whether
or not Katelyn Faber's accusations of criminal
conduct are true, your only interest is in dragging
some man down.
Sheesh.
When by your example, "edens m...anges",
you convince men that women are catty
and untrustworthy b*tch dogs who shouldn't
be close to positions of legal or political
influence, will you call your triumph "a victory
for feminism"?
--
Masculism is the radical notion
that men are people too. Feminists
go hysterical upon hearing that.
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s_knight8 reported...
and then there's the other 50%...
Of which 50% are not recanted but still likely
false. "Unfounded" is a fancy-pants term
meaning there's no evidence to be found to
back up her story.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers
were motivated by a need for an alibi
or a desire for revenge.
Example: Cathleen Crowell Webb's case
as she tells it in her book _Forgive Me_.
The most common reasons the women gave
for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge,"
and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame
(Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4,
December 1985).
guilt? gult for what?
<giggle>
Are you the naif!!!
How about, "I didn't want my Mom to find out
I'm sleeping around," which was what motivated
Cathleen Crowell Webb to lie.
Then there's, "I didn't want my boyfriend to find out
I'm sleeping around so I accused the guy I was
boffing in my dorm room when my boyfriend walked
in on us of 'rape!'", which has been pulled off more
than once by college women.
College women are also prone to the, "I made up
the 'rape!' story to get attention for myself," as in
a case at University of California, Davis, recently.
A Washington Post investigation of rape reports
in seven Virginia and Maryland counties in 1990
and 1991 found that nearly one in four were
unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many
of the alleged victims admitted that they had lied.
It is true, of course, that not every accuser who
recants had accused falsely. But it is also true
that some who do not recant were not
telling the truth.
ok, though rumsfeldian in phrasing...
http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/001298.html
and some who recant were telling the truth...
Already said in the article, followed by some
who do not recant are lying. Remember,
Cathleen Crowell Webb never did recant
until long after the innocent man who simply
a convenient stranger to accuse had served
years and years in an Illinois prison.
Cathleen Crowell Webb finally came forward
because she had 'found Christ' (as the expression
goes) in the meantime. However, most accusers
remain relatively irreligious and unmotivated to
come clean with the truth.
[remainder of ci+'s wriggling and clinging to
a belief that all men are evil snipped]
--
Masculism is the radical notion
that men are people too. This
idea infuriates feminists.
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:21:46 -0700, "Society"
<Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote:
Of which 50% are not recanted but still likely
false. "Unfounded" is a fancy-pants term
meaning there's no evidence to be found to
back up her story.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers
were motivated by a need for an alibi
or a desire for revenge.
Example: Cathleen Crowell Webb's case
as she tells it in her book _Forgive Me_.
The most common reasons the women gave
for falsely accusing rape were "spite or revenge,"
and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame
(Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4,
December 1985).
<giggle>
Are you the naif!!!
How about, "I didn't want my Mom to find out
I'm sleeping around," which was what motivated
Cathleen Crowell Webb to lie.
Then there's, "I didn't want my boyfriend to find out
I'm sleeping around so I accused the guy I was
boffing in my dorm room when my boyfriend walked
in on us of 'rape!'", which has been pulled off more
than once by college women.
College women are also prone to the, "I made up
the 'rape!' story to get attention for myself," as in
a case at University of California, Davis, recently.
A Washington Post investigation of rape reports
in seven Virginia and Maryland counties in 1990
and 1991 found that nearly one in four were
unfounded. When contacted by the Post, many
of the alleged victims admitted that they had lied.
It is true, of course, that not every accuser who
recants had accused falsely. But it is also true
that some who do not recant were not
telling the truth.
Already said in the article, followed by some
who do not recant are lying. Remember,
Cathleen Crowell Webb never did recant
until long after the innocent man who simply
a convenient stranger to accuse had served
years and years in an Illinois prison.
Cathleen Crowell Webb finally came forward
because she had 'found Christ' (as the expression
goes) in the meantime. However, most accusers
remain relatively irreligious and unmotivated to
come clean with the truth.
[remainder of ci+'s wriggling and clinging to
a belief that all men are evil snipped]
Is it just coincidence that the name of the guy was/is Dotson, a name
that is familar to us here on t.r? Or is it a common name in the
states?
What happened to the woman? The report I just read made no mention.
Ann
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In article <uXo5d.15138$54.229870@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-6ECB1C.14443425092004@corp.supernews.com...
advocates, Murphy cannot seem to fathom the possibility that Bryant could
be
innocent. However, research shows that false allegations of rape are
frighteningly common.
You also understand that there will be no "rape shield" nonsense
preventing the introduction of HER past behavior to protect her
extortionist ass --
a) IF relevant
b) begs the question
and that if SHE lies then SHE will be tried for
perjury AND extortion.
Possibly. Your point?
I hope this trial goes ahead. It will be very interesting
to hear both their stories from their own mouths, instead of
hers from a detective and his from a $20,000,000 legal team.
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-7BDD3F.21463725092004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <oDr5d.15144$54.230125@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
she could be compelled to testify at a criminal trial
just like kobe can be at civil trial
Look -- do you have a point?
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In article <kHq5d.12610$Gk4.3390@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
FernDog <FernDog@WhoKnows.net> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-13C575.19352125092004@corp.supernews.com...
My perfectly clean record made no difference.
So let's hear your version of the story.
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-C60F48.21071625092004@corp.supernews.com...
gosh
what a loss
arf meow arf
Yeah. Looking back, I should have kept my money and represented myself in
court as I would have done a better job. Not to mention that I could have
really used that hard earned cash in my new homeland. I think that things
will turn out pretty good down here since I was used to working 50 to 60
hours a week at my old rat race of a job in California. This conditioning
should serve me quite well.
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In article <XSA5d.15169$54.231061@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-7BDD3F.21463725092004@corp.supernews.com...
Look -- do you have a point?
jab jab
arf meow arf
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In article <kHq5d.12610$Gk4.3390@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
FernDog <FernDog@WhoKnows.net> wrote:
So let's hear your version of the story.
I'd like to say but I'd rather remain anonymous since I am now living in a
foreign country (connected to this news server by proxy of course).
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"edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:mair_fheal-EF70D5.08184526092004@corp.supernews.com...
In article <XSA5d.15169$54.231061@typhoon.sonic.net>,
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
jab jab
Yeah, about what I figured. Just a feminist out to "jab" men.
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In article <2RB5d.19567$W21.5429@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
"FernDog" <FernDog@WhoKnows.net> wrote:
I'd like to say but I'd rather remain anonymous since I am now living in a
foreign country (connected to this news server by proxy of course).
gosh
thats a compelling use of logic
arf meow arf
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On 26 Sep 2004 11:04:36 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <uXo5d.15138$54.229870@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
a) IF relevant
b) begs the question
Possibly. Your point?
I hope this trial goes ahead. It will be very interesting
to hear both their stories from their own mouths, instead of
hers from a detective and his from a $20,000,000 legal team.
do you have a cite to back up the patently absurd figure of 20
million? didn't think so... poor tjab, now nothing more than a common
troll...
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