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A while ago Ray called me an offensive and untruthful term by declaring me someone who has less than normal intelligence. I can look it up but I believe he called me a moron (or he called me an idiot). The dictionary defines that as someone who has substandard intelligence. It is a qualifyable statement that represents a fact, therefore if it is untruthful it constitutes libel. Now, since Ray has Verizon as his internet provider, and Verizon operates in Virginia (and I think he also used AOL to publish the message that he posted) AOL's headquarters is only about 20 miles away from me in Prince William County, Virginia. By his own claims I should be able to serve both of his ISPs as his agent for service of process in Virginia and thus be able to sue him for libel in Virginia for his actions. Someone once said, if you think someone is acting in an unfair or unreasonable fashion, a really good way to tell is, would they particularly like or care for their position if you were to hold them to the same standard that they are or would hold upon others. So my standing can't possibly be unfair against Ray, since it's exactly the stand he wants to argue in his lawsuits. What do you think?
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A while ago Ray called me an offensive and untruthful term by declaring me someone who has less than normal intelligence. I can look it up but I believe he called me a moron (or he called me an idiot). The dictionary defines that as someone who has substandard intelligence. It is a qualifyable statement that represents a fact, therefore if it is untruthful it constitutes libel. Now, since Ray has Verizon as his internet provider, and Verizon operates in Virginia (and I think he also used AOL to publish the message that he posted) AOL's headquarters is only about 20 miles away from me in Prince William County, Virginia. By his own claims I should be able to serve both of his ISPs as his agent for service of process in Virginia and thus be able to sue him for libel in Virginia for his actions. Someone once said, if you think someone is acting in an unfair or unreasonable fashion, a really good way to tell is, would they particularly like or care for their position if you were to hold them to the same standard that they are or would hold upon others. So my standing can't possibly be unfair against Ray, since it's exactly the stand he wants to argue in his lawsuits. What do you think?
Hey, Paul, it is good to see you on this group. You were spoken about highly when I got here, and you have decided to make an appearance here. Nice one, bud ;-) Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's access to the internet is to cut off his source of funding, i.e. cybersheet.com. As much as I despise Dubya, take his simplistic view on world affairs and apply it to Ray - ISPs are either with us or against us. None of us really can be arsed to sue him to get his net access and abuse pulled, so might it be worth showing that Ray has plagiarised many of the ideas from ASF and put it on his own website? (even though I freely admit he has come up with some ideas of his own which are reasonable, not including the ridiculous CUPID #@($e). How would cybersheet.com's host react to the idea of his selling of 'rape' products, for example? But, if you want to sue him, please do so. I really want to see Ray in court. That would make international news (in all seriousness, with his Google fishing expedition.) BBC WORLD and BBC NEWS 24 would cover in depth, I am sure! ;-) -------------------------------- At time of writing, Ray Gordon believes that NLP seduction techniques used successfully are no different from rape because these techniques are used covertly. Ray has 4 affiliate links on his 'website' from which he gains a commission from the sale of NLP seduction materials. Therefore, by Ray's standards, he is currently selling 4 books to assist men directly in what he calls rape. True Internet Cockroach, the artist formerly known as, according to Ray, whale/shill/ domestic abuser/employment discriminator/ provider/beta/potential rapist/John/does this list end(?) Takahesi Ogamori. He must LOVE me!!! :-x Ray wants Google to stop archiving his USENET posts. But he said to me about something I wrote, "The truth is that people get sued pretty harshly for what you've been pulling on me. You also have called yourself a shill, and like it or not, I can quote that with impunity." Can Google also quote his USENET posts with impunity? <snicker>
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A while ago Ray called me an offensive and untruthful term by declaring me someone who has less than normal intelligence. I can look it up but I believe he called me a moron (or he called me an idiot). The dictionary defines that as someone who has substandard intelligence. It is a qualifyable statement that represents a fact, therefore if it is untruthful it constitutes libel. Now, since Ray has Verizon as his internet provider, and Verizon operates in Virginia (and I think he also used AOL to publish the message that he posted) AOL's headquarters is only about 20 miles away from me in Prince William County, Virginia. By his own claims I should be able to serve both of his ISPs as his agent for service of process in Virginia and thus be able to sue him for libel in Virginia for his actions. Someone once said, if you think someone is acting in an unfair or unreasonable fashion, a really good way to tell is, would they particularly like or care for their position if you were to hold them to the same standard that they are or would hold upon others. So my standing can't possibly be unfair against Ray, since it's exactly the stand he wants to argue in his lawsuits. What do you think?
what i think, is sauce for the goose. if you're serious about going forward, at the very least you'll let him know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. ray has gone on for what seems to be an eternity about just how bulletproof he is in the eyes of the law. aardvark
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Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's
We have defamation......
access to the internet is to cut off his source of funding, i.e. cybersheet.com.
Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of law and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it? You think a woman wants to marry a man who might get them SUED because he can't control his emotions? She goes along for half that ride, you know.
As much as I despise Dubya, take his simplistic view on world affairs and
apply
it to Ray - ISPs are either with us or against us. None of us really can
be
arsed to sue him to get his net access and abuse pulled, so might it be worth showing that Ray has plagiarised many of the ideas from ASF and put
it
on his own website?
More defamation.....
How would cybersheet.com's host react to the idea of his selling of 'rape' products, for example?
One contact to them gives rise to a lawsuit. Even the threat of contact might do that.
But, if you want to sue him, please do so. I really want to see Ray in court. That would make international news (in all seriousness, with his Google fishing expedition.)
What people are doing now is only strengthening my case against any archive. TIC seems to think that after his obligatory period of pretending to be neutral, that he can behave just like a SHILL and not be noticed.
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in news:8Y56d.2606$6f.1933@trndny02:
We have defamation...... Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of law and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it? You think a woman wants to marry a man who might get them SUED because he can't control his emotions? She goes along for half that ride, you know. apply be it More defamation..... One contact to them gives rise to a lawsuit. Even the threat of contact might do that. What people are doing now is only strengthening my case against any archive. TIC seems to think that after his obligatory period of pretending to be neutral, that he can behave just like a SHILL and not be noticed.
And here we go again - one more ride on the shill-go-round. And it's the unverified and unverifiable shill-go-round at that. Are you ever going to provide ANY VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of anyone being a shill or are we suppost to take the word of the person who NEVER provides verifiable evidence when he accuses people of being shills? I certainly wouldn't.
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As I said previously, I think everyone should sue you in as many jurisdictions as possible. In my opinion, you seriously ill, and should be removed from the internet like any other terrorist would be. You rant and threaten, and insult, and are generally obnoxious, and wonder why you can't make a living. Since you love court so much, perhaps you should have more of it. BM
We have defamation...... Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of
law
and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it? You think a woman wants to marry a man who might get them SUED because he can't control his emotions? She goes along for half that ride, you know. apply be it More defamation..... One contact to them gives rise to a lawsuit. Even the threat of contact might do that. What people are doing now is only strengthening my case against any
archive.
TIC seems to think that after his obligatory period of pretending to be neutral, that he can behave just like a SHILL and not be noticed.
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As I said previously, I think everyone should sue you in as many jurisdictions as possible.
But as a layperson, your advice isn't meant as legal advice.
In my opinion, you seriously ill,
Wow! Another wannabe doctor on USENET!!
and should be removed from the internet like any other terrorist would be.
Good luck making that happen!
You rant and threaten, and insult, and are generally obnoxious, and wonder why you can't make a living. Since you love court so much, perhaps you should have more of it.
Awww, but you can't hide in a lawsuit the way you can on a message board!
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You are aware that he can just claim to be insane, and he is not responsible for his actions. Since he has admitted that he does have a mental illness, he can probably weasel out, and due to his lack of finances, even a judgment would not impact him significantly. Face facts, some people are just lawsuit proof due to not having resources to pay any judgment rendered. I wonder since his income is so low, if he or his mommie are the one that actually own the accounts and pay the monthly fees? Hmmm...... BM
what i think, is sauce for the goose. if you're serious about going forward, at the very least you'll let him
know
what it feels like to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. ray has gone
on
for what seems to be an eternity about just how bulletproof he is in the eyes of the law. aardvark
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NOPE, just giving my opinions, as the first amendment allows me to. I think you are a sick, diseased, mommy's boy, that sticks his nose into the business of others due to jellousy. You claim to be an expert in areas where you are not, and you would be obnoxious at a convention of the autistic... BM
As I said previously, I think everyone should sue you in as many jurisdictions as possible.
But as a layperson, your advice isn't meant as legal advice. Wow! Another wannabe doctor on USENET!! Good luck making that happen! Awww, but you can't hide in a lawsuit the way you can on a message board!
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In article <_8a6d.2637$OX.1480@trndny07>, "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote: As I said previously, I think everyone should sue you in as many jurisdictions as possible.
But as a layperson, your advice isn't meant as legal advice.
Neither is your advice, unless you have a bar association number. In my opinion, you seriously ill,
Wow! Another wannabe doctor on USENET!!
Wow! Another wannabe medical school dean on USENET!! (Why else would you go out of your way to convince others that you are the sole judge and determiner regarding who should become a doctor?) I would call you a moron, but you're more of a less-on. A lesson in infantile stupidity, that is. and should be removed from the internet like any other terrorist would be.
Good luck making that happen!
Exactly. You have frequently said that someone would have to KILL you (emphasis yours) to get you to stop. This is the same tactic that many terrorists use. In order to stop most terrorists, you have to kill them, and you have to kill them before they kill you. Isn't it a strange coincidence that you would use the same tactics as a terrorist? I will add that you have made your "domicile" address public knowledge through your very own posting of certain court documents which contain your address. You have also directly admitted to your birth name in at least one post. All someone has to do is "get the balls" to do some very simple research and locate you. It is rumored that you never leave your apartment unless absolutely necessary for life functions or for your court escapades. Perhaps this is one of the reasons. -- Visit the official Ray Gordon website at http://www.raygordonbooks.co.uk
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Yet again, Ray Gordon threatens without base and can't tell the difference between free speech and defamation. The show must go on.....
We have defamation......
Where? No we don't, thumper. access to the internet is to cut off his source of funding, i.e. cybersheet.com.
Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of
law
and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it?
Do you really think that your webhost would condone what you do? Or are you sneaking around behind their backs profiting from your 'rape' (your definition) manuals? I personally would not do that because you are too much fun to speak to - why would I want to deny myself my 5-15 minutes of bellylaughs at you a day???
You think a woman wants to marry a man who might get them SUED because he can't control his emotions? She goes along for half that ride, you know.
You think a woman wants to marry a 37yo man with admitted bipolar disorder who lives at home with his Mommy and would rather charge women for information on how to prevent what he considers rape than give the information away for free for the crime of not buying one of the books? The difference between how I control my emotions and how you control yours is that everything I have said has been completely legal and non-actionable. Your threats, like trying to get me thrown off my ISP (funny behaviour for a 'free speech advocate!'), are nothing to anyone. Dismissed! Dismissed! As much as I despise Dubya, take his simplistic view on world affairs and
apply be it More defamation.....
See http://tinyurl.com/5hj4v (full link in signature) - I quote directly from you - "I haven't tallied the exact ratio of original material to ASF postings, but it's about 50-50 (maybe 60-40 original material)." You admit yourself that at least 50% of "Outfoxing the Foxes" is not original! I love it when you die by your own stupidhead words. How would cybersheet.com's host react to the idea of his selling of 'rape' products, for example?
One contact to them gives rise to a lawsuit. Even the threat of contact might do that.
As I have said, why would I do that? You haven't injured me personally (except with your vile words, and sticks and stones etc) and you give me bellylaughs every day! I just loved the way you jumped out of your skin with fright when I suggested it! More baseless legal threats from you too...you are manic today!
What people are doing now is only strengthening my case against any
archive. I am sure the Google lawyers are pissing themselves with laughter at that statement!
TIC seems to think that after his obligatory period of pretending to be neutral, that he can behave just like a SHILL and not be noticed.
Oh NO! Ray's defamed me! What I love about you, Porker, is that you are very definite in the way you want others to behave to you, and you are completely oblivious to the fact you break every single rule you seek to impose on others, you speech nazi! And when are you going to stop profiting from books showing men how to 'rape' (your definition) women and give the knowledge away to women free, you 'civil rights campaigner?' Hahaha! -------------------------------- At time of writing, Ray Gordon believes that NLP seduction techniques used successfully are no different from rape because these techniques are used covertly. Ray has 4 affiliate links on his 'website' from which he gains a commission from the sale of NLP seduction materials. Therefore, by Ray's standards, he is currently selling 4 books to assist men directly in what he calls rape. True Internet Cockroach, the artist formerly known as, according to Ray, whale/shill/ domestic abuser/employment discriminator/ provider/beta/potential rapist/John/does this list end(?) Takahesi Ogamori. He must LOVE me!!! :-x Ray wants Google to stop archiving his USENET posts. But he said to me about something I wrote, "The truth is that people get sued pretty harshly for what you've been pulling on me. You also have called yourself a shill, and like it or not, I can quote that with impunity." Can Google also quote his USENET posts with impunity? <snicker> The post where Gordon Roy Parker admits that most of his work is not his own and is from ASF is located at http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=20000310.034917.-381551.4.The_Seduction_Library%40juno.com&output=gplain
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In article <Mid6d.109296$U04.60041@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "True Internet Cockroach" <trueinternetcockroach@hotmail.com> wrote:
The post where Gordon Roy Parker admits that most of his work is not his own and is from ASF is located at http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=20000310.034917.-381551.4.The_Seduction _Library%40juno.com&output=gplain
My favourite quotes (note the UK spelling) are the following: "Aside from making me a nice chunk of change (in part off the writing of my criticis [sic], which is pretty cool)" So the US Ray admits that the critics and the criticism of his books provided him with "a nice chunk of change." and this quote: "By the way, when you post to USENET, you leave work in the public domain." Which means that his argument that he had certain posts deleted from the Google archive because of "copyright violations" is completely false based on this quote. After all, if Google is merely recording works that are now in the "public domain," then there's nothing anyone can do to stop them or others from publishing what's in the public domain. But all this could be stopped (as the US Ray has often said) if someone would just get the balls to KILL him (emphasis his). -- Visit the official Ray Gordon website at http://www.raygordonbooks.co.uk
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message news:<_8a6d.2637$OX.1480@trndny07>... As I said previously, I think everyone should sue you in as many jurisdictions as possible.
But as a layperson, your advice isn't meant as legal advice. Wow! Another wannabe doctor on USENET!! Good luck making that happen! Awww, but you can't hide in a lawsuit the way you can on a message board!
Ray smokes cock.
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message news:<8Y56d.2606$6f.1933@trndny02>... Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's
We have defamation......
Now, wait. You call Mr. Robinson a "cretin", and that's not defamation, but when he calls you a "lunatic" that's defamation? Both are outmoded psychological terms now used in the vernacular to dismiss those with whom one disagrees. "Cretin" and "lunatic" are comparable insults--they once had specific clinical meaning in the field of psychology, but now are only blanket pejoratives. Either you are admitting, here, that you previously defamed Mr. Robinson, or your own claim of defamation on this count is frivolous. Mr. Parker, no judge has ever upheld a single one of your many claims of defamation. The logical mind would suggest that you might be the one who is wrong, not the judges who have presided over your actions. But then, the logical mind would also suggest that a man who feels he has a hard time finding work as a legal secretary because male attorneys, in his view, "like to hire eye candy" would LOOK FOR WORK WITH A FEMALE ATTORNEY. Given that more than 40% of the attorneys in the US are female, that gives him pretty decent odds. T.
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"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message news:<8Y56d.2606$6f.1933@trndny02>... Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's
We have defamation......
Only if the assertion is untrue, and made with actual malice. There is no evidence of either. access to the internet is to cut off his source of funding, i.e. cybersheet.com.
Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of law and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it?
For one to recover attorney's fees, one must have incurred them. Pro se parties cannot recover attorney's fees in Pennsylvania. See WESTMORELAND COUNTY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY and JOHN K. WHITEFORD v. ALLEGHENY COUNTY BOARD OF PROPERTY ASSESSMENT, et al. 723 A.2d 1084, 1999 For a "paralegal", you really don't know your own state's laws, do you? Either that, or your "legal research skills" are sorely lacking. Falc
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Ray Gordon wrote: Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's
We have defamation......
So you claim. Whether that claim is valid or not is another matter. In order for it to be defamation (1) it must be untrue,(2) must be posted with malice (as you are a public figure) and (3) it must in some way damage your reputation. Since essentially everyone here dislikes you your reputation cannot be damaged because your reputation can't fall below zero. Beyond that, do you *really* think a jury is going to find any comment about you to be defamatory after your comments ON SEPTEMBER 11 how the firefighters who were crushed to death and burned to death - at the very moment you were posting the message - deserved what happened to them? I have said it before, and I will say it again: you personally, through your own actions, have so damaged your own reputation that you are undefamable, because no jury would ever rule in your favor. access to the internet is to cut off his source of funding, i.e. cybersheet.com.
Now tortious interference......oh, and did you folks know that in PA, citizens have a private cause of action for the unauthorized practice of law and can recover ATTORNEY FEES if they bring suit over it?
Again, you think a jury will find in your favor after what you've said? Presuming you can keep from sabotaging your case long enough to even get to trial, a practice that you remain a "continued and inexcusable failure" at accomplishing. As much as I despise Dubya, take his simplistic view on world affairs and apply it to Ray - ISPs are either with us or against us. None of us really can be arsed to sue him to get his net access and abuse pulled, so might it be worth showing that Ray has plagiarised many of the ideas from ASF and put it on his own website?
More defamation.....
It may be arguable as to whether your ideas are unique or whether you got them from others; thus it may not be defamation unless you can prove the falsity of the statement. How would cybersheet.com's host react to the idea of his selling of 'rape' products, for example?
One contact to them gives rise to a lawsuit. Even the threat of contact might do that.
Yeah, right, you're going to go to the trouble of suing someone in another state because they object to your comments. Talk about pot calling the kettle black. But, if you want to sue him, please do so. I really want to see Ray in court. That would make international news (in all seriousness, with his Google fishing expedition.)
What people are doing now is only strengthening my case against any archive.
So I hear. Only from you, but that's what I hear.
TIC seems to think that after his obligatory period of pretending to be neutral, that he can behave just like a SHILL and not be noticed.
Being a shill is not necessarily actionable. Neither is being an asshole or you would have been sued out of existence a long time ago
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True Internet Cockroach wrote:
Yet again, Ray Gordon threatens without base and can't tell the difference between free speech and defamation. The show must go on..... You think a woman wants to marry a 37yo man with admitted bipolar disorder who lives at home with his Mommy and would rather charge women for information on how to prevent what he considers rape than give the information away for free for the crime of not buying one of the books?
So Ray doesn't try to sue you for defaming him, I believe you should not leave out pertinent details of his life, so therefore you should change the phrase, "a 37yo man with admitted bipolar disorder" to "a 37yo herpes simplex 2 infected man with admitted bipolar disorder." We wouldn't want to fail to disclose ALL of the TRUTH, now, would we? Also I added "simplex 2" to indicate I mean the common definition of herpes, not "herpes simplex 1" which is the common cold sore, which I believe about 98% of the population has.
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TdN wrote:
"Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message news:<8Y56d.2606$6f.1933@trndny02>... Go for it, Paul, but I think the best way to restrict this lunatic's Now, wait. You call Mr. Robinson a "cretin", and that's not defamation, but when he calls you a "lunatic" that's defamation?
No, the other guy called him a lunatic. I didn't. I did call ray an asshole in a reply to the same message you are replying to, which I can get away with. It's not actionable for me to call Ray an asshole because it's clearly not literal - no one would believe he is literally an anus and thus it can't be defamatory - and because what constitutes being an "asshole" is a matter of opinion, it is therefore a statement of pure opinion and automatically not defamation, Q.E.D.)
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Paul Robinson <postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> wrote in message news:<n5C6d.8758$Mf.4831@trnddc05>...
TdN wrote: No, the other guy called him a lunatic. I didn't. I did call ray an asshole in a reply to the same message you are replying to, which I can get away with.
Ah, the threading got away from me there. Same point, though--"cretin" and "lunatic" are equally defamatory, or equally non-defamatory.
It's not actionable for me to call Ray an asshole because it's clearly not literal - no one would believe he is literally an anus and thus it can't be defamatory - and because what constitutes being an "asshole" is a matter of opinion, it is therefore a statement of pure opinion and automatically not defamation, Q.E.D.)
Got it. It's true that nobody would believe that Mr. Parker is literally an anus--even though enormous amounts of #@($ pour out of him daily, the anus (unlike Mr. Parker) is a source of sexual pleasure to millions around the world. T.
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TdN wrote:
Paul Robinson <postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> wrote in message news:<n5C6d.8758$Mf.4831@trnddc05>...
It's not actionable for me to call Ray an asshole because it's clearly not literal - no one would believe he is literally an anus and thus it can't be defamatory - and because what constitutes being an "asshole" is a matter of opinion, it is therefore a statement of pure opinion and automatically not defamation, Q.E.D.)
Got it. It's true that nobody would believe that Mr. Parker is literally an anus--even though enormous amounts of #@($ pour out of him daily,
You know what, you're right. In which case even if someone did take it literally it wouldn't be defamatory either! I give you four points.
the anus (unlike Mr. Parker) is a source of sexual pleasure to millions around the world.
I've said before that I only post here because I find this place fun and I like @$#*ing with Ray, although I never meant it literally!
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Paul Robinson <postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> wrote in message news:<n5C6d.8758$Mf.4831@trnddc05>...
It's not actionable for me to call Ray an asshole because it's clearly not literal - no one would believe he is literally an anus and thus it can't be defamatory - and because what constitutes being an "asshole" is a matter of opinion, it is therefore a statement of pure opinion and automatically not defamation, Q.E.D.)
It wouldn't be defamation anyway, because Ray literally IS an anus. He is dirty and smelly, and #@($s all over this newsgroup.
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The Voice of Reason wrote:
Paul Robinson <postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> wrote in message news:<n5C6d.8758$Mf.4831@trnddc05>... It wouldn't be defamation anyway, because Ray literally IS an anus. He is dirty and smelly, and #@($s all over this newsgroup.
I can't give you any points as another poster already made this argument, but consider this an award for "best runner up" if you didn't see that one.
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The hiding troll "Falconnier" is believed NOT to be a licensed attorney himself. Many posts by "Falconnier" contain false statements of applicable law. Bob Hirschfeld, JD http://www.nolawyer.com.
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Prove your allegations, jackass. Falc.
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