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September 28, 2004
Between Metro and Cell User, a Disconnect
Officer Shoves, Arrests Pregnant Woman Over Loud Call
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sakinah Aaron was walking into the bus area at the Wheaton Metro
station several weeks ago, talking loudly on her Motorola cell phone.
A little too loudly for Officer George Saoutis of the Metro Transit
Police.
The police officer told Aaron, who is five months pregnant, to lower
her voice. She told the officer he had no right to tell her how to
speak into her cell phone.
Their verbal dispute quickly escalated, and Saoutis grabbed Aaron by
the arm and pushed her to the ground. He handcuffed the 23-year-old
woman, called for backup and took her to a cell where she was held for
three hours before being released to her aunt. She was charged with
two misdemeanors: "disorderly manner that disturbed the public peace"
and resisting arrest.
Those are the facts on which both sides agree.
They interpret the events of Sept. 9 very differently.
Transit Police and some Metro officials say Saoutis was protecting the
peace by removing a woman who had overstepped the boundaries of civil
behavior because she was loudly cursing into her phone.
They say that cell phones have become just another instrument of
loutish behavior in the public space and that they are fighting a
dramatic deterioration of manners in the transit system.
"We need better enforcement to allow people to know we are serious and
want to maintain the high-quality level of the system," said Robert J.
Smith, chairman of the Metro board, adding that "ranting youth" have
become a plague on the subway. "This isn't Montana. We live in a very
dense region, and people are on top of each other all the time."
Smith, who refuses to carry a cell phone, said he thinks Metro riders
need to use the devices with care. "We wouldn't allow someone to come
into the U.S. Capitol Rotunda and shout obscenities into a cell
phone," he said.
But Aaron and some defenders of free speech say the Transit Police are
the ones who overstepped boundaries by making a crime out of
conversation and pushing a pregnant woman to her knees. The incident
took place out of doors and not in the confines of a rail car or bus,
they note.
And they point to a string of other incidents, including the July
arrest of a 45-year-old woman for chewing a PayDay candy bar and the
2000 arrest of a 12-year-old girl for eating a french fry, that are
earning the Transit Police a national reputation as an agency itching
to lock up riders.
"Technically, the police officer is right, but the result is wrong,"
said D.C. Council member Jim Graham (D-Ward 1), who represents the
city on the Metro board. "How do we prevent minor transgressions
escalating into major problems? It's not what any of us want. We don't
want pregnant women booked for loud cell phone conversations. We don't
want 12-year-old girls in handcuffs for eating a single french fry.
Whether it's training or guidance to our officers, we have to do
something."
Johnny Barnes, executive director of the Washington area chapter of
the American Civil Liberties Union, called Aaron's arrest "troubling."
"There seems to be an unusual attention paid to activities of
patrons," Barnes said. "One should be able to ride the Metro and
exercise a range of rights without fear of intervention from Metro
police."
Aaron, who lives in Silver Spring and works as a clerk at the Food and
Drug Administration, said she was talking to her fiance on her cell
phone as she walked toward the bus bay about 4:45 p.m. Sept. 9 to
catch the Route C4 Metrobus.
"Our phone conversation had ended," she said. "I'm walking down the
stairs and the transit cop said, 'You have to lower your voice,
ma'am.' I said, 'You can't tell me how loud I can talk.' He said, 'I
can arrest you,' and he grabbed my arm. I said, 'What are you doing?
I'm pregnant! Oh, so you want to flex some muscle today?' He grabbed
my hand, and we struggled."
Aaron acknowledged that she was loud on the phone but said she wasn't
cursing and lobbed a profanity only after Saoutis grabbed her.
After her release that night, Aaron went to Holy Cross Hospital and
was treated in the emergency room for a bruise she said was a result
of Saoutis's pushing her to the ground and placing his knee on her
upper back.
Saoutis, who is about to complete his first year on the job with the
Transit Police, was not available for an interview yesterday,
according to Deputy Chief Tim Gronau.
Gronau said his officer properly enforced the law and arrested Aaron
because it was clear she wasn't taking his warning seriously.
"We're not either pro or negative cell phones," he said. "The issue is
[that] the volume of her conversation, coupled with the language, is
not conducive to socially accepted standards of behavior."
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washingtonpost.com
September 28, 2004
Between Metro and Cell User, a Disconnect
Officer Shoves, Arrests Pregnant Woman Over Loud Call
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sakinah Aaron was walking into the bus area at the Wheaton Metro
station several weeks ago, talking loudly on her Motorola cell phone.
A little too loudly for Officer George Saoutis of the Metro Transit
Police.
The police officer told Aaron, who is five months pregnant, to lower
her voice. She told the officer he had no right to tell her how to
speak into her cell phone.
Their verbal dispute quickly escalated, and Saoutis grabbed Aaron by
the arm and pushed her to the ground. He handcuffed the 23-year-old
woman, called for backup and took her to a cell where she was held for
three hours before being released to her aunt. She was charged with
two misdemeanors: "disorderly manner that disturbed the public peace"
and resisting arrest.
Those are the facts on which both sides agree.
They interpret the events of Sept. 9 very differently.
Transit Police and some Metro officials say Saoutis was protecting the
peace by removing a woman who had overstepped the boundaries of civil
behavior because she was loudly cursing into her phone.
They say that cell phones have become just another instrument of
loutish behavior in the public space and that they are fighting a
dramatic deterioration of manners in the transit system.
"We need better enforcement to allow people to know we are serious and
want to maintain the high-quality level of the system," said Robert J.
Smith, chairman of the Metro board, adding that "ranting youth" have
become a plague on the subway. "This isn't Montana. We live in a very
dense region, and people are on top of each other all the time."
Smith, who refuses to carry a cell phone, said he thinks Metro riders
need to use the devices with care. "We wouldn't allow someone to come
into the U.S. Capitol Rotunda and shout obscenities into a cell
phone," he said.
Good, lock her up. Now I just wish someone, anyone, could arrest the
thousands of socker moms who are looking one way, driving another way, and
speaking into their cell phones at every intersection that I come to every
morning that I commute to work. I say arrest them all and let the judge
sort them out. Oh, and tow their SUVs to the pound where they can sit for
$100+/day. Yup, that should just about make everything right in my world.
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Good, lock her up. Now I just wish someone, anyone, could arrest the
thousands of socker moms who are looking one way, driving another way, and
speaking into their cell phones at every intersection that I come to every
morning that I commute to work. I say arrest them all and let the judge
sort them out. Oh, and tow their SUVs to the pound where they can sit for
$100+/day. Yup, that should just about make everything right in my world.
I'll give you an Amen to that!
Betsy (no cell phone for me!)
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Good, lock her up. Now I just wish someone, anyone, could arrest the
thousands of socker moms who are looking one way, driving another way, and
speaking into their cell phones at every intersection that I come to every
morning that I commute to work.
I say arrest them all and let the judge
sort them out. Oh, and tow their SUVs to the pound where they can sit for
$100+/day. Yup, that should just about make everything right in my world.
Agreed on all points. And I feel certain you didn't mean to exclude in that
round-up the "tens of thousands" of those yuppie dads, pseudo-execs 'taking
a meeting' over their cell phones as they read from the screen of their
PDAs while recklessly swerving their SUVs across 4 lanes of
rush-hour freeway traffic as they realize they've just blathered past their
exit.
My world, too, is now in order.
Wanda
"I used to care, but things have changed." Bob Dylan ("Wonder Boys")
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On 28 Sep 2004 07:48:58 -0700, MrPepper11@go.com (MrPepper11) wrote:
washingtonpost.com
September 28, 2004
Between Metro and Cell User, a Disconnect
Officer Shoves, Arrests Pregnant Woman Over Loud Call
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sakinah Aaron was walking into the bus area at the Wheaton Metro
station several weeks ago, talking loudly on her Motorola cell phone.
A little too loudly for Officer George Saoutis of the Metro Transit
Police.
The police officer told Aaron, who is five months pregnant, to lower
her voice. She told the officer he had no right to tell her how to
speak into her cell phone.
Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:17 -0700, Scott en Aztln
<slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:
On 28 Sep 2004 07:48:58 -0700, MrPepper11@go.com (MrPepper11) wrote:
Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
Scott - the cleaners called - your hoods are ready.
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Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
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Clearly, she was obnoxious and needed to be taught a lesson, but what
you said, that's way harsh and uncalled for.
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Reminds me of one of my favorite Dave Chappelle skit series.
Clearly a case of 'When "Keeping It Real" Goes Wrong'. :>)
MrPepper11@go.com (MrPepper11) wrote in message news:<57cfd534.0409280648.7c079deb@posting.google.com>...
washingtonpost.com
September 28, 2004
Between Metro and Cell User, a Disconnect
Officer Shoves, Arrests Pregnant Woman Over Loud Call
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sakinah Aaron was walking into the bus area at the Wheaton Metro
station several weeks ago, talking loudly on her Motorola cell phone.
A little too loudly for Officer George Saoutis of the Metro Transit
Police.
The police officer told Aaron, who is five months pregnant, to lower
her voice. She told the officer he had no right to tell her how to
speak into her cell phone.
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Abe wrote:
Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
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Clearly, she was obnoxious and needed to be taught a lesson, but what
you said, that's way harsh and uncalled for.
The officer could have caused permanent, severe damage to the unborn baby.
At that point, even if she was wrong to be loud and obnoxious (if she was), I'd
have told the idiot cop to arrest me. While at the police station I would have
been filing a formal complaint and considering pressing charges.
Yes, sometimes it's necessary for a peace officer to use force. They also need
to use common sense.
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Steve Sobol wrote:
At that point, even if she was wrong to be loud and obnoxious (if she
was),
That should have read "which she was"
I'd have told the idiot cop to arrest me. While at the police
station I would have been filing a formal complaint and considering
pressing charges.
The punishment definitely did NOT fit the crime.
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Steve Sobol wrote:
Yes, sometimes it's necessary for a peace officer to use force. They also
need to use common sense.
Peace officer. Interesting, semi-soft expression. Common sense is not a
quality I would associate with many political enforcement agents.
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:49:48 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:
Abe wrote:
Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
The officer could have caused permanent, severe damage to the unborn baby.
At that point, even if she was wrong to be loud and obnoxious (if she was), I'd
have told the idiot cop to arrest me. While at the police station I would have
been filing a formal complaint and considering pressing charges.
Yes, sometimes it's necessary for a peace officer to use force. They also need
to use common sense.
And you don't think the woman had any responsibility to use her phone
responsibly? She was asked to keep her voice down and she mouthed off
to the officer and ignored the request. You just *don't* argue with
an officer of the law.
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Joseph wrote:
And you don't think the woman had any responsibility to use her phone
responsibly? She was asked to keep her voice down and she mouthed off
to the officer and ignored the request. You just *don't* argue with
an officer of the law.
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You don't argue with the law eh? Would that be the same 'law' that
sodomizes men with a billyclub? Would that be the same law that pulls over
a woman on a traffic infraction - then rapes and strangles her? Would that
be the same law that fires 40+ bullets at an unarmed man? Decent
intelligent lawmen deserve respect. All to often these types are a rarity.
A policeman using force on a pregnant woman not engaged in any form of
violence is the lowest form of life we can encounter in our society. Such
people should be met with a louisville-slugger on the head followed by
handcuffing - then kicked to the gutter.
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Ron Miller wrote:
Joseph wrote:
You don't argue with the law eh? Would that be the same 'law' that
sodomizes men with a billyclub? Would that be the same law that pulls over
a woman on a traffic infraction - then rapes and strangles her? Would that
be the same law that fires 40+ bullets at an unarmed man? Decent
intelligent lawmen deserve respect. All to often these types are a rarity.
A policeman using force on a pregnant woman not engaged in any form of
violence is the lowest form of life we can encounter in our society. Such
people should be met with a louisville-slugger on the head followed by
handcuffing - then kicked to the gutter.
Well the cop told her to keep it down, she could have behaved like a
LADY and talked at a normal decibel. NO she got stupid, he did what he
had to do. She should have enough respect for herself to not cuss loudly
on her phone. Maybe she should have enough common sense to not struggle
when getting arrested.
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sodomizes men with a billyclub? Would that be the same law that pulls over
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be the same law that fires 40+ bullets at an unarmed man? Decent
intelligent lawmen deserve respect. All to often these types are a rarity.
A policeman using force on a pregnant woman not engaged in any form of
violence is the lowest form of life we can encounter in our society. Such
people should be met with a louisville-slugger on the head followed by
handcuffing - then kicked to the gutter.
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Well the cop told her to keep it down, she could have behaved like a
LADY and talked at a normal decibel. NO she got stupid, he did what he
had to do. She should have enough respect for herself to not cuss
loudly on her phone. Maybe she should have enough common sense to not
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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<415B744C.2090905@JustThe.net>...
Abe wrote:
Clearly this obnoxious cunt deserved the treatment she got. As for the
fetus, if it's lucky this #@&@
will miscarry and spare it a life of
hell being raised by this inconsiderate sack of #@($.
The officer could have caused permanent, severe damage to the unborn baby.
Sheesh. It's not like a uterus is made of Waterford crystal. It
isn't as though you can shake out a fetus like candy from a pinata.
Nor is a 5 months In Pig belly big enough to make her body rest solely
on her abdomen. On some women, you can't tell at 5 months. All the
knocked up girls in my high school took gym (volleyball, raquestball,
basketball etc.).
Regardless, she was face down on the ground because of her own
actions---being an in pig mama doesn't get you off the hook. How hard
is it so say "Whatever, officer" and go on with your life and ignore
the asshattery he may have exhibited? She certainly wasn't doing any
of this in an effort to teach him about effective community policing
techiques. It appears that the cop couldn't cuff her otherwise---and
yes sometimes there are cops and criminals who can do the handcuff
dance upright. So she--the adult--threw a tantrum. All we can do is
pray for that pweshus lil chyylldd--becasue that kid has no chance.
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:12:19 +0000, Ron Miller
<RonMiller@bellsouth.org> wrote:
You don't argue with the law eh? Would that be the same 'law' that
sodomizes men with a billyclub? Would that be the same law that pulls over
a woman on a traffic infraction - then rapes and strangles her? Would that
be the same law that fires 40+ bullets at an unarmed man? Decent
intelligent lawmen deserve respect. All to often these types are a rarity.
You are grasping at straws. The officer asked her to quiet down and
she mouthed off to him. Should the officer have just let it go?
Whether you like the pigs or not you *do not* mouth off to an officer.
If you do you'll likely suffer the consequences. That's how things
work in the real world. It's also likely that when he first
confronted her that he was not aware that she was pregnant. Also
being pregnant does not give you an excuse for being inconsiderate.
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Joseph wrote:
You don't argue with the law eh? Would that be the same 'law' that
sodomizes men with a billyclub? Would that be the same law that pulls over
a woman on a traffic infraction - then rapes and strangles her? Would that
be the same law that fires 40+ bullets at an unarmed man? Decent
intelligent lawmen deserve respect. All to often these types are a rarity.
A policeman using force on a pregnant woman not engaged in any form of
violence is the lowest form of life we can encounter in our society. Such
people should be met with a louisville-slugger on the head followed by
handcuffing - then kicked to the gutter.
This reminds me of the "96 year old gramma" getting arrested and cuffed.....so
if the "fragile" break the law, just let 'em go, they just say "saweee" and
move on.
mmmkay.
::making note::
Arrest. Cuff (sometimes prior to arrest for safety purposes). Place in back of
patrol car.
Policy.
V
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:31:59 -0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
wrote:
And you don't think the woman had any responsibility to use her phone
responsibly? She was asked to keep her voice down and she mouthed off
to the officer and ignored the request. You just *don't* argue with
an officer of the law.
Says who?
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:31:59 -0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Says who?
Exactly. They're just people, they aren't any better than you or I and I'm
sure as hell not going to back
down from one if I think I'm in the right or they are going beyond the
bounds of their authority.
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Joseph wrote:
And you don't think the woman had any responsibility to use her phone
responsibly? She was asked to keep her voice down and she mouthed off
to the officer and ignored the request. You just *don't* argue with
an officer of the law.
Did you read my correction to my own post? I typo'd.
And you're right, it's really, really stupid to argue with a cop, but that
doesn't give the cop the right to injure the suspect/perp either. The use of
force doesn't fit with the crime, which was a pretty minor crime.
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In article <cf19679c.0409301440.3912a3de@posting.google.com>,
acreed@state.mt.us (Anna) wrote:
Sheesh. It's not like a uterus is made of Waterford crystal. It
isn't as though you can shake out a fetus like candy from a pinata.
Nor is a 5 months In Pig belly big enough to make her body rest
solely on her abdomen. On some women, you can't tell at 5 months.
All the knocked up girls in my high school took gym (volleyball,
raquestball, basketball etc.).
Regardless, she was face down on the ground because of her own
actions---being an in pig mama doesn't get you off the hook. How
hard is it so say "Whatever, officer" and go on with your life and
ignore the asshattery he may have exhibited? She certainly wasn't
doing any of this in an effort to teach him about effective community
policing techiques. It appears that the cop couldn't cuff her
otherwise---and yes sometimes there are cops and criminals who can do
the handcuff dance upright. So she--the adult--threw a tantrum. All
we can do is pray for that pweshus lil chyylldd--becasue that kid has
no chance.
LOL. Do analogies, allegories and metaphorical references come naturally
to you or do you have to practice? I actually spend time thinking of
ways to say things like you do. It is great fun.
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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<cjigks$2qt$1@ratbert.glorb.com>...
Joseph wrote:
Did you read my correction to my own post? I typo'd.
And you're right, it's really, really stupid to argue with a cop, but that
doesn't give the cop the right to injure the suspect/perp either. The use of
force doesn't fit with the crime, which was a pretty minor crime.
Resisting arrest is not a minor crime, at least to the police.
He tried to cuff her calmy, she chucked a hissy fit.
Draco
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:07:52 GMT, Bob Ward <bobward@email.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:31:59 -0700, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Says who?
Hey, go for it! When you get wrestled to the ground don't come
whining here.
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In article <223pl0914qd0418pe2s6hsp9oo5ljbc27l@4ax.com>,
Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:12:19 +0000, Ron Miller
<RonMiller@bellsouth.org> wrote:
You are grasping at straws. The officer asked her to quiet down and
she mouthed off to him. Should the officer have just let it go?
Yes.
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Draco wrote:
He tried to cuff her calmy, she chucked a hissy fit.
Just so I understand: was she simply yelling, or did she get physical?
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In article <cjl30s$jag$1@ratbert.glorb.com>,
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
Draco wrote:
Just so I understand: was she simply yelling, or did she get physical?
And whatever the answer, whose word are you taking for it?
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"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:cjl3co$6ri@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <cjl30s$jag$1@ratbert.glorb.com>,
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
And whatever the answer, whose word are you taking for it?
Do you trust a reporter, a police report, or oh....the video running in the
car?
mmm...
V
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In article <9so7d.5621$iR5.683@news01.roc.ny>,
V <vbiggs3255@nospamfrontiernet.net> wrote:
"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:cjl3co$6ri@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
Do you trust a reporter, a police report, or oh....the video running in the
car?
Why do you ask?
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tjab wrote:
In article <cjl30s$jag$1@ratbert.glorb.com>,
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
And whatever the answer, whose word are you taking for it?
Gotta take SOMEONE's...
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And you're right, it's really, really stupid to argue with a cop, but
that doesn't give the cop the right to injure the suspect/perp either.
The use of force doesn't fit with the crime, which was a pretty minor
crime.
Resisting arrest is not a minor crime, at least to the police.
Resisting arrest is routine and usually minor, often police charge slightly
resisting 'suspects' with resisting along with other
charges to help ensure a guilty plea to one or more of them,
while the resisting charges are almost always dropped.
He tried to cuff her calmy,
Cuff her for what, Resisting arrest? How calm, knocking a pregnant
woman to the ground.
she chucked a hissy fit.
And he knocked her to the ground. Duh. What a sad man. I'll bet he will
gain the problem cop label and eventually get the city sued and loose
his job.
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And you don't think the woman had any responsibility to use her phone
responsibly? She was asked to keep her voice down and she mouthed off
to the officer and ignored the request. You just *don't* argue with
an officer of the law.
Says who?
Hey, go for it! When you get wrestled to the ground don't come
whining here.
There is nothing wrong with questioning someones authority, especially some
rookie who dosen't seem to understand the concept of what his
job is.
Heck I questioned a cops obvious lack of judgement and he started making death
threats, he and ultimately (they) started searching the car and
found in car the video and audio system, he suddenly became professional, in
a semi-cocky manner.
He was whining pretty heavy about the position he put himself in.
He gave tickets.
After listening to the DA threats of doom and gloom of the possible outcome(S)
if there was no guilty plea. The defendant stated his own possibility of outcomes.
The DA put on some more doom and gloom theatrics.
The charges were ultimately dropped as he told the judge the cops were
in the wrong and 'in the interest of justice move to dismiss the case.
The judge had no problem with this.
Generally the DA's only positions are prosecute (even the innocient) and to
protect the city from liablility and the reckless cops who hide
behind it.
Dosen't justice mean much more than some demented looser knocking a pregnat
woman to the ground for questioning his 'authority.'.
Dosen't justice mean more than some whiny citizen saying you shouldn't
question a cops judgement?
I agree that some cops are derranged reckless idiots and that questiong them
may be dangerous but what the @$#*, they are people also, if we
don't question, we don't have the dignity with those who serve us.
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:43:03 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender
<anonymous@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote:
And you're right, it's really, really stupid to argue with a cop, but
that doesn't give the cop the right to injure the suspect/perp either.
The use of force doesn't fit with the crime, which was a pretty minor
crime.
Resisting arrest is routine and usually minor, often police charge slightly
resisting 'suspects' with resisting along with other
charges to help ensure a guilty plea to one or more of them,
while the resisting charges are almost always dropped.
Cuff her for what, Resisting arrest? How calm, knocking a pregnant
woman to the ground.
And he knocked her to the ground. Duh. What a sad man. I'll bet he will
gain the problem cop label and eventually get the city sued and loose
his job.
Great ain't it how the anonymous responder always has the definitive
answer!
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"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:cjl5lt$92j@rac1.wam.umd.edu...
In article <9so7d.5621$iR5.683@news01.roc.ny>,
V <vbiggs3255@nospamfrontiernet.net> wrote:
Why do you ask?
Why is it that you are asking, young grasshopper?
Whose word are you taking?
V
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Do you trust a reporter, a police report, or oh....the video running in
the
car?
mmm...
V
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