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Day 1 : I have been unsubscribed from aus.tv for 24 hours. all is well but a crosspost wont hurt. just don't tell me the election results! Like my new home group? Me and Darkie are partying hard.. gonna brush up on some legalese. Herc some dudes blog... So last night I go to Dairy Queen as the wife demands a Heath bar blizzard. All is well until I am forced into a parking lot by a Gestapo--err Police Officer. Apparently, they had set up a privacy violation--err--sobriety checkpoint. Me: Why am I being detained? Gestapo: This is a sobriety checkpoint. Have you been drinking tonight? Me: Yeah, I had 3 glasses of water and a mountain dew... Gestapo: But no alcoholic beverages of any kind? Me: No. Hey, do you have probable cause to detain me and ask me these types of questions? Gestapo: This is a sobriety checkpoint, we don't need that. I need your drivers license, registration and proof of insurance. Me: What if I refuse to hand them over or do your tests? Gestapo: We'll arrest you. Me: For..? Gestapo: DUI. Me: Ok, so you'll arrest me for some charge I'm obviously not guilty of because I won't submit to your tests? What happens when it turns out I'm not drunk and I blow a zero? Gestapo: We'll find some other charge that will stick. Me: Are you threatening me? I want to speak to your supervisor, right now. Gestapo Leader: Sir, I would advise you to follow our instructions or I will have you arrested. Me: For? Gestapo Leader: This is a DUI checkpoint, If you do not take the DUI test, we will have you arrested for DUI. Me: And what if I'm not drunk? Gestapo Leader: Then you should have no problem taking the tests. Me: So what you're saying, and I want to make this perfectly clear for my lawyer and the internal affairs people, is that if I do not surrender my constitutionally protected rights to privacy and illegal search and seizure, you will arrest me, and when it is made known that I am NOT drunk, you will quote find something that will stick end quote? Gestapo Leader: I... Me: I'm just trying to make sure I understand the gravity of the situation because it's very important to know these things when I own you, the JSO and the city of Jacksonville after the lawsuit I will file. Gestapo Leader: ..but... Me: I'm sure you are aware that since you do not have probable cause to pull me over and detain me, that you any evidence collected, including a brethalyzer or results from a sobriety test, may not be adminssable in court due to the fact that it was illegally obtained. You can not violate my civil rights in collecting evidence. I will submit to your facist tests at your illegal checkpoint because I dont have time to deal with going to jail right now. I get out of the car and hop on one foot for a minute. They tell me I'm free go to go. I get in the car and while i"m pulling out, I shout: ZEIG HEIL! ...and stick my arm out the window. -- What is the difference between Michael Jack-son and US Government? MJ stopped enticing and watching boys wanking ~ The Truman
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|-|erc wrote:
Day 1 : I have been unsubscribed from aus.tv for 24 hours. all is well but a crosspost wont hurt. just don't tell me the election results! Like my new home group? Me and Darkie are partying hard.. gonna brush up on some legalese.
Don't worry about being spoiled about the election result because it's far too close to call. It could be a few weeks before we know who won. My moneys on Latham.
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Imagine how many people who are pissed try out your little hissy fit routine.
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"Inky Toonstein" <sayNOtoSPAM> wrote in message
Imagine how many people who are pissed try out your little hissy fit routine.
not my routine, I don't even ask for a lawyer I just blurt out everything yes sir no sir otherwise you sleep the night in prison and maybe wait for 6 months until your lawyer arrives. but I'm interested to see where his argument on liberty VS sobriety tests stands. we dont have sobriety tests in australia just breathalisers. Herc
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"Soixante Une Viellles De Jour" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in
|-|erc wrote: Don't worry about being spoiled about the election result because it's far too close to call. It could be a few weeks before we know who won. My moneys on Latham.
I'm surprised Howard has a chance, I guess with all the states being Labour people vote Liberal because of that. Why not have mutual state and federal politics for once, they might get along? Herc
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Soixante Une Viellles De Jour wrote: -|erc wrote: Day 1 : I have been unsubscribed from aus.tv for 24 hours. all is well but a crosspost wont hurt. just don't tell me the election results! Like my new home group? Me and Darkie are partying hard.. gonna brush up on some legalese.
Don't worry about being spoiled about the election result because it's far too close to call. It could be a few weeks before we know who won. My moneys on Latham.
Do you not give the democrats any chance? They may be good value for money.
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|-|erc wrote:
Day 1 : I have been unsubscribed from aus.tv for 24 hours. all is well but a crosspost wont hurt. just don't tell me the election results!
Methinks you might be a Latham supporter. If so, you won't like the news.
Like my new home group? Me and Darkie are partying hard.. gonna brush up on some legalese.
Herc
some dudes blog...
So last night I go to Dairy Queen as the wife demands a Heath bar blizzard. > All is well until I am forced into a parking lot by a Gestapo -- err Police Officer. Apparently, they had set up a privacy violation -- err -- sobriety checkpoint.
Ummm ... this "dude" seems to be in the USA, not "aus" (as the subject seems to imply). Dead giveaway: "Dairy Queen". I don't recall ever having seen a Dairy Queen in Aus (but they're all over the place in Texas). Second dead giveaway: "parking lot". You blokes call it a "car park".
Me: Why am I being detained? Gestapo: This is a sobriety checkpoint. Have you been drinking tonight? Me: Yeah, I had 3 glasses of water and a mountain dew ... Gestapo: But no alcoholic beverages of any kind? Me: No. Hey, do you have probable cause to detain me and ask me these types of questions?
That question has never been specifically addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court, but Delaware v. Prouse seems to indicate that as long as ALL traffic is being stopped and briefly questioned, no 4th Amendment violation occurs. But RANDOM stops would not be permissible.
Gestapo: This is a sobriety checkpoint, we don't need that. I need your drivers license, registration and proof of insurance.
And they DO nab a number of people driving on the revoked list, or operating an uninsured vehicle at such checkpoints.
Me: What if I refuse to hand them over or do your tests? Gestapo: We'll arrest you.
If you are operating a motor vehicle on a public street, you are obliged to present such documents to any peace officer upon demand. Or else, he CAN arrest you.
Me: For..? Gestapo: DUI.
Now he's pushing it. He has to have probable cause to arrest you for DUI. And, generally, the automatic revocation of licence for refusal to submit to a breathalyzer test only applies if you were stopped for suspicion of DUI, or else he has some other substantive reason to suspect that you have been drinking [alcohol], e.g., the smell of alcohol on your breath, or slurred speech, etc.
Me: Ok, so you'll arrest me for some charge I'm obviously not guilty of because I won't submit to your tests? What happens when it turns out I'm not drunk and I blow a zero?
They'll release you. If they have any sense.
Gestapo: We'll find some other charge that will stick. Me: Are you threatening me? I want to speak to your supervisor, right now.
He's blustering.
Gestapo Leader: Sir, I would advise you to follow our instructions or I will have you arrested. Me: For? Gestapo Leader: This is a DUI checkpoint, If you do not take the DUI test, we will have you arrested for DUI.
This clearly seems to go beyond the parameters of Delaware v. Prouse.
Me: And what if I'm not drunk? Gestapo Leader: Then you should have no problem taking the tests.
Standard cop-speak.
Me: So what you're saying, and I want to make this perfectly clear for my lawyer and the internal affairs people, is that if I do not surrender my constitutionally protected rights to privacy and illegal search and seizure, you will arrest me, and when it is made known that I am NOT drunk, you will quote find something that will stick end quote?
Gestapo Leader: I...
Me: I'm just trying to make sure I understand the gravity of the situation because it's very important to know these things when I own you, the JSO and the city of Jacksonville after the lawsuit I will file. Gestapo Leader: ..but... Me: I'm sure you are aware that since you do not have probable cause to pull me over and detain me, that you any evidence collected, including a brethalyzer or results from a sobriety test, may not be adminssable in court due to the fact that it was illegally obtained. You can not violate my civil rights in collecting evidence. I will submit to your facist tests at your illegal checkpoint because I dont have time to deal with going to jail right now.
I get out of the car and hop on one foot for a minute. They tell me I'm free go to go. I get in the car and while i"m pulling out, I shout:
ZEIG HEIL!
.. and stick my arm out the window.
-- What is the difference between Michael Jack-son and US Government? MJ stopped enticing and watching boys wanking ~ The Truman
I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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|-|erc <spam@fodder.abc> wrote in article <fW2ad.20426$5O5.17401@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
So last night I go to Dairy Queen as the wife demands a Heath bar
blizzard. (snip)
I get out of the car and hop on one foot for a minute.
Three points which make it clear this is in the US, not australia (and not aus police). ant
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop.
Aussies actually have one in substance; America's exists in name only.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop.
Aussies actually have one in substance; America's exists in name only.
Bollocks! (As usual for Ken Smith.) -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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"Theodore A. Kaldis" <kaldis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message ...
|-|erc wrote: Methinks you might be a Latham supporter. If so, you won't like the news.
some idiot put it in the subject line in misc.legal.... see you later chaps I'm back to aus.tv
Ummm ... this "dude" seems to be in the USA, not "aus" (as the subject seems to imply). Dead giveaway: "Dairy Queen". I don't recall ever having seen a Dairy Queen in Aus (but they're all over the place in Texas). Second dead giveaway: "parking lot". You blokes call it a "car park".
well done, note ....some guys blog
That question has never been specifically addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court, but Delaware v. Prouse seems to indicate that as long as ALL traffic is being stopped and briefly questioned, no 4th Amendment violation occurs. But RANDOM stops would not be permissible.
in aus.they are predominantly random, that's what they're called... RBT.
And they DO nab a number of people driving on the revoked list, or operating an uninsured vehicle at such checkpoints.
raiding everyones house would too
If you are operating a motor vehicle on a public street, you are obliged to present such documents to any peace officer upon demand. Or else, he CAN arrest you.
not in aus, its not illegal to drive without your DL.
Now he's pushing it. He has to have probable cause to arrest you for DUI. And, generally, the automatic revocation of licence for refusal to submit to a breathalyzer test only applies if you were stopped for suspicion of DUI, or else he has some other substantive reason to suspect that you have been drinking [alcohol], e.g., the smell of alcohol on your breath, or slurred speech, etc.
I don't think the policeman knew the law
They'll release you. If they have any sense.
that's entirely optional though isn't it?
He's blustering.
I've tried that, he made a hand gesture and 5 pigs carried me to the ground, refusal to cooperate
This clearly seems to go beyond the parameters of Delaware v. Prouse. Standard cop-speak.
yep, the policeman realised his blunder and remembered the cliche
I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop.
about 4 months in prison on remand if you try, waiting for your court date, no record though. thanks for the clarification. Herc
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop. Bollocks! (As usual for Ken Smith.)
Are you talking to Aussies or Poms? We don't say "bollocks" Try and keep up.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: I don't know what you're crowing about, you blokes don't even have a Bill of Rights, and he would have gotten bashed if he would have talked that way to an Aussie cop. Bollocks! (As usual for Ken Smith.)
We don't, Ted. Our rights exist only at the suffrage of the despots in black robes. You're too stupid to get a clue.
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Frugal monster wrote
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote Bollocks!
Are you talking to Aussies or Poms? We don't say "bollocks" Try and keep up.
ROTFLM*A*O !!!!!!!!!! Why, oh, WHY am i not surprised by this slam ?? ------- have a GREAT day !!!! Solar
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SolarChase wrote: Frugal monster wrote Theodore A. Kaldis wrote
Bollocks! ROTFLM*A*O !!!!!!!!!! Why, oh, WHY am i not surprised by this slam ??
Same reason I'm not.
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Frugal monster wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: Are you talking to Aussies or Poms?
What have the bloody poms got to do with this?
We don't say "bollocks"
Bollocks you don't.
Try and keep up.
I doubt that this term has fallen into disuse in the year and a half since I was last down there. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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SolarChase wrote:
Frugal monster wrote ROTFLM*A*O !!!!!!!!!!
Why, oh, WHY am i not surprised by this slam ??
Because you have a puerile imagination and it doesn't take very much to amuse you. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Ken Smith wrote:
SolarChase wrote: Same reason I'm not.
He may also have some of the same problems as you, but yours are much more apparent. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Frugal monster wrote: What have the bloody poms got to do with this? Bollocks you don't.
As a rule, they don't. I've spent roughly four months Down Under in the last four years. Haven't heard the term once. Bugger that! Try and keep up.
I doubt that this term has fallen into disuse in the year and a half since I was last down there.
It might still be in use amongst old-timers, but it might also be that I travel in more sophisticated circles.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: He may also have some of the same problems as you, but yours are much more apparent.
Translated, Ted got caught out by a true-blue Aussie, but can't admit that he is wrong. It's called George W. "My Pet Goat" Bush disease.... You've been trying to pass yourself off as an Aussie for years on the Net (http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/TED_AUS.jpg), but your act won't play where it matters.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: Translated, Ted got caught out by a true-blue Aussie,
"Caught out" my arse! Ken Smith is so predictable. Too lazy to do even the most cursory of research.
but can't admit that he is wrong.
Unlike Ken Smith, Ted is not wrong. Here are over 2,000 examples of its usage just in one newsgroup in the past 5 years alone: <http://tinyurl.com/4bjgg>
It's called George W. "My Pet Goat" Bush disease ...
John Kerry has admitted that he wants to deal with the terrorist threat merely as a law enforcement issue (much as Clinton did). Unless you want to see more acts of terrorism against Americans -- domesticlly as well as overseas -- you had better do your utmost to see to it that Bush wins.
You've been trying to pass yourself off as an Aussie for years on the Net
Have not.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/TED_AUS.jpg),
That picture was taken in Australia. By an Aussie.
but your act won't play where it matters.
I've been mistaken IN AUSTRALIA for a True Blue Aussie more times than I can count. But everyone down under can make you for a tourist with just one glance. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: As a rule, they don't. I've spent roughly four months Down Under in the last four years. Haven't heard the term once. Bugger that!
That's because you don't venture beyond the usual tourist haunts. And as a result, you know bugger-all about the real Australia. Try and keep up. I doubt that this term has fallen into disuse in the year and a half since I was last down there.
It might still be in use amongst old-timers,
As well as young-timers.
but it might also be that I travel in more sophisticated circles.
You mean self-important sops such as yourself. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote
SolarChase wrote: Why, oh, WHY am i not surprised by this slam ?? ">Because you have a puerile imagination and it doesn't take very much to amuse you." Lets see here.... we have a man who grew up in Colorado (Greeley, iirc), lives in Southern California and talks and spells like he's an Aussie, and its NOT funny ?? Heck, its a premise (as Kent Wills pointed out) for Springer. Now *thats* funny !!! ----- have a GREAT day !!!!! Solar
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: "Caught out" my arse! Ken Smith is so predictable. Too lazy to do even the most cursory of research. Unlike Ken Smith, Ted is not wrong. Here are over 2,000 examples of its usage just in one newsgroup in the past 5 years alone: <http://tinyurl.com/4bjgg>
It's an ENGLISH word, referring to sheep testicles. Poms use it, and the Kiwis use it (hardly surprising, given their unique fascination with sheep), but Aussies don't seem to use it in conversation. As I said, I don't think I've ever heard it in Aus, and I've logged as much time as you have. It's called George W. "My Pet Goat" Bush disease ...
John Kerry has admitted that he wants to deal with the terrorist threat merely as a law enforcement issue (much as Clinton did).
Better than invading Mexico in reaction to Pearl Harbor. John Kerry has explained his position, and I find it both cogent and lucid (you've admitted that I have "keen insight and a sharp intellect"). It appears to me that the Kerry approach is far more sane than the Bush debacle -- we've done nothing but shoot ourselves in the collective foot under the Krawford Keystone Kops who are running this country into the ground as we speak.
Unless you want to see more acts of terrorism against Americans -- domesticlly as well as overseas -- you had better do your utmost to see to it that Bush wins.
Bollocks. The homegrown terrorists are far more dangerous than even al-Qaeda. You've been trying to pass yourself off as an Aussie for years on the Net
Have not. That picture was taken in Australia. By an Aussie. I've been mistaken IN AUSTRALIA for a True Blue Aussie more times than I can count. But everyone down under can make you for a tourist with just one glance.
You look too stupid to be an Aussie, Ted. And the T-shirt is a dead giveaway. An astonishing proportion of the Aussie population has been overseas, and will usually be wearing shirts indicating that fact. If you're wearing a koala, you're a tourist. :)
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: It's an ENGLISH word, referring to sheep testicles.
It isn't used just for sheep.
Poms use it, and the Kiwis use it (hardly surprising, given their unique fascination with sheep), but Aussies don't seem to use it in conversation.
Sure they do.
As I said, I don't think I've ever heard it in Aus, and I've logged as much time as you have.
And I'm surprised, frankly, that you've never heard it, given the nature of your conversation. -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in ...
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: As a rule, they don't. I've spent roughly four months Down Under in the last four years. Haven't heard the term once. Bugger that! Try and keep up. It might still be in use amongst old-timers, but it might also be that I travel in more sophisticated circles.
aussies don't say 'bollocks'. i got the sex pistols album "never mind the bollocks" 15 years ago when I was 15 and spent ages finding out what it means. never heard it since either. bollocks hey! Herc
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: It isn't used just for sheep.
"Rocky Mountain oysters! It's what's for dinner, Fido!" Poms use it, and the Kiwis use it (hardly surprising, given their unique fascination with sheep), but Aussies don't seem to use it in conversation.
Sure they do.
Maybe in the gutters you're used to travelling in, Ted.... :) As I said, I don't think I've ever heard it in Aus, and I've logged as much time as you have.
And I'm surprised, frankly, that you've never heard it, given the nature of your conversation.
Whenever I deal with the truly uncouth -- such as yourself! -- I speak accordingly. It doesn't bother me overmuch, insofar as I don't think of words as sacred or profane. But as for you, Teddi, the Epistle of James waxes eloquent with respect to your utterances....
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|-|erc wrote:
"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in ... aussies don't say 'bollocks'. i got the sex pistols album "never mind the bollocks" 15 years ago when I was 15 and spent ages finding out what it means. never heard it since either.
Sex Pistols?! That's it. It must be a GAY Aussie thing, as our Ted is known in some circles as the "Darling of Darlinghurst," King of the Glory Holes. ;) Queens like Teddi tend to focus too much on male genitalia....
bollocks hey! Herc
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I hear a rumor that on Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:06:39 GMT, "|-|erc" <spam@fodder.abc> wrote:
aussies don't say 'bollocks'. i got the sex pistols album "never mind the bollocks" 15 years ago when I was 15 and spent ages finding out what it means. never heard it since either.
It's a somewhat common expression in Great Britain. I've never heard it anywhere else, which includes Perth, Australia. And the people I know in Australia, two in the Sydney area, three in Perth, have never heard an Aussie say it. Ted's a Drongo*. Nothing more. Kent * And that IS an Australian term. Accurate as well. -- You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape.
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in
|-|erc wrote: Sex Pistols?! That's it. It must be a GAY Aussie thing, as our Ted is known in some circles as the "Darling of Darlinghurst," King of the Glory Holes. ;) Queens like Teddi tend to focus too much on male genitalia....
I guess its a phalic reference but sex pistols are just a punk band, the biggest 1st mainstream punk band. I am an anarchist god save the queen, the fascist regime. Sid Vicous? Jonny Rotton? nothing gay mate! Herc
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I hear a rumor that on Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:37:59 GMT, Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote:
Whenever I deal with the truly uncouth -- such as yourself! -- I speak accordingly. It doesn't bother me overmuch, insofar as I don't think of words as sacred or profane. But as for you, Teddi, the Epistle of James waxes eloquent with respect to your utterances....
OW! I felt that one. Ted's gotta be crying now. Kent -- Be really good to your family and friends. You never know when you are going to need them to empty your bedpan.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote: Whenever I deal with the truly uncouth -- such as yourself! -- I speak accordingly. It doesn't bother me overmuch, insofar as I don't think of words as sacred or profane. But as for you, Teddi, the Epistle of James waxes eloquent with respect to your utterances ...
I had suspected that this might go right over Ken's head (given the nature of his apparent psychological shortcomings). The insinuation here, Ken, is that your conversation IS bollocks! -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Kent Wills wrote:
I hear a rumor that on Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:37:59 GMT, Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote:
And how, pray, did you "hear" this rumour, given that this is a forum of the WRITTEN word? Whenever I deal with the truly uncouth -- such as yourself! -- I speak accordingly. It doesn't bother me overmuch, insofar as I don't think of words as sacred or profane. Which speaks to Ken's disadvantage. You as a Christian should see this. But as for you, Teddi, the Epistle of James waxes eloquent with respect to your utterances ... Nevertheless, one wonders how Ken will respond to God when he stands before Him at the Final Judgement.
OW! I felt that one. Ted's gotta be crying now.
Ted's not crying. Ted recognises and acknowledges his shortcomings. What about you? -- Theodore A. Kaldis kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Kent Wills wrote: And how, pray, did you "hear" this rumour, given that this is a forum of the WRITTEN word?
"And your wise men don't know how it fee-ee-ee-ee-ee-eel-elll-sss, To be thick as a brick." -- Ian Anderson Whenever I deal with the truly uncouth -- such as yourself! -- I speak accordingly. It doesn't bother me overmuch, insofar as I don't think of words as sacred or profane. But as for you, Teddi, the Epistle of James waxes eloquent with respect to your utterances ... OW! I felt that one. Ted's gotta be crying now.
Ted's not crying. Ted recognises and acknowledges his shortcomings.
Ted's BIGGEST shortcoming is that he can only do *SMALL* sheep. :)
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote: I had suspected that this might go right over Ken's head (given the nature of his apparent psychological shortcomings).
At least, I'm not so delusional as to believe that little girls take running starts so that they can jump off 40 meter-high cliffs to their deaths. To an Atascardero-class nut-job like you, the sane world must seem insane. (For those of you in the Aussie boards, Ted is the brother-in-law of Cameron John Brown (*NOT* the NZ triathlete). You may have read about how he allegedly threw his illegitimate four-year-old daughter Lauren Key off a Palos Verdes cliff; news of the arraignment made all of the Aussie papers.)
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