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The FDA has just approved the use of an implantable computer chip in
humans, from the AP wire:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2004/oct/13/101309941.html
Expect Big Brother to tell us it will only be used for good
purposes.-Jitney
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jitney wrote:
The FDA has just approved the use of an implantable computer chip in
humans, from the AP wire:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2004/oct/13/101309941.html
Expect Big Brother to tell us it will only be used for good
purposes.-Jitney
When you see the size of the implantation needle your brain will start
screaming inside your skull. Anybody with a portable RF interrogator
will be able to query your implant from up to about 5 feet away. Once
the data is collected it can be impersonated. Cf: radar jamming and
"anti-kindapping" chips; the second make of the "Thomas Crown Affair"
with bowler-wearing clones at the end.
The minimal requirement for a security chip would be on-the-fly deep
encryption. The DES standard is both laughable and backdoored by the
NSA.
OTOH, A Mobil gasoline thingie is keyring small and very convenient.
Mobil has gone to secondary verification required for its use, since
anybody with an RF interrogator...
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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According to Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>:
... The DES standard is both laughable and backdoored by the
NSA...
No, you have it backward. The NSA-designed S-boxes in the DES
turned out to be resistant to a form of cryptanalysis,
differential cryptanalysis, which had not even been discovered
at that time.
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cs@cs.com wrote:
According to Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>:
No, you have it backward. The NSA-designed S-boxes in the DES
turned out to be resistant to a form of cryptanalysis,
differential cryptanalysis, which had not even been discovered
at that time.
Irrelevant: diffy-crypt is useless in the most common SIGINT
scenarios(*). The 56 bit key was the "backdoor". Even by mid-1970's
standards DES was a joke, but only the NSA was laughing. By the mid
to late 1980's, most people who knew about or cared about this stuff
had caught up and were also laughing. In 1998:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto/Crypto_misc/DESCracker/
_EVERYONE_ was laughing.
(*) i.e, you have cipher-text and you want to know the plaintext.
Differential attacks are predicated on the ability to given chosen
plaintexts to the device which does the encryption.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_cryptanalysis
"I say, Mr. Enemy, would you be so kind as to send the following
messages through your cryptosystems, just for us?"
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According to <eawckyegcy@yahoo.com>:
cs@cs.com wrote:
Irrelevant: diffy-crypt is useless in the most common SIGINT
scenarios(*). The 56 bit key was the "backdoor". Even by mid-1970's
standards DES was a joke, but only the NSA was laughing. By the mid
to late 1980's, most people who knew about or cared about this stuff
had caught up and were also laughing. In 1998:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto/Crypto_misc/DESCracker/
_EVERYONE_ was laughing.
(*) i.e, you have cipher-text and you want to know the plaintext.
Differential attacks are predicated on the ability to given chosen
plaintexts to the device which does the encryption.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_cryptanalysis
"I say, Mr. Enemy, would you be so kind as to send the following
messages through your cryptosystems, just for us?"
No, and that excellent wikipedia article doesn't list this as
a problem.
This happens all the time. Think "ATM machine" for "enemy".
It was also how the Japanese code was broken before Midway.
That is, we Americans tricked the Japanese into encrypting and
sending our chosen test message. As another example, a German
mistake in sending *almost* the same message twice with the
same key contributed to cracking the Enigma. Since these
examples occurred in the 1940s, they were differential crypto
but they show the idea.
Finally, a cipher that is vulnerable to one attack, say chosen
plaintext, is almost always later found to be vulnerable to
other attacks.
I do agree that shortening the keylength to 56 bits was
certainly odd.
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Uncle Al wrote:
jitney wrote:
When you see the size of the implantation needle your brain will start
screaming inside your skull. Anybody with a portable RF interrogator
will be able to query your implant from up to about 5 feet away. Once
the data is collected it can be impersonated. Cf: radar jamming and
"anti-kindapping" chips; the second make of the "Thomas Crown Affair"
with bowler-wearing clones at the end.
The minimal requirement for a security chip would be on-the-fly deep
encryption. The DES standard is both laughable and backdoored by the
NSA.
OTOH, A Mobil gasoline thingie is keyring small and very convenient.
Mobil has gone to secondary verification required for its use, since
anybody with an RF interrogator...
As I understood it, the dingus only contains the ID info which is then
used to query the central database where the records exist. So breaking
the chip isn't useful unless you also have access to the database. Anyone
who has access to the database already has access to your records, they
just don't know which ones are yours. OK that's an oversimplification
but all the chip would do in this case would be to make it easier for
the EMTs (or the Justice Department or....) to match the records with you.
The Mobil dealers are of course wired into their database so breaking the
chip code on that has a benefit to someone who isn't connected to it. If
I can cook up a device which acts like your Mobil dingus then I get to
charge things on your account.
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jtnospam@yahoo.com (jitney) wrote in message news:<b8002be7.0410130652.665bf63@posting.google.com>...
The FDA has just approved the use of an implantable computer chip in
humans, from the AP wire:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2004/oct/13/101309941.html
Expect Big Brother to tell us it will only be used for good
purposes.-Jitney
Join the voices.....
http://www.downsizedc.org/index.shtml
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ex_cathedra wrote:
jtnospam@yahoo.com (jitney) wrote in message news:<b8002be7.0410130652.665bf63@posting.google.com>...
Join the voices.....
http://www.downsizedc.org/index.shtml
Given the number of people who would treat it as The Mark of The Beast, I
don't expect it to become mandatory.
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ex_cathedra wrote:
Given the number of people who would treat it as The Mark of The
Beast, I
don't expect it to become mandatory.
After those people have, um, left the area, it might very well become
mandatory.
Ray
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jitney wrote:
When you see the size of the implantation needle your brain will start
screaming inside your skull. Anybody with a portable RF interrogator
will be able to query your implant from up to about 5 feet away. Once
the data is collected it can be impersonated. Cf: radar jamming and
"anti-kindapping" chips; the second make of the "Thomas Crown Affair"
with bowler-wearing clones at the end.
The minimal requirement for a security chip would be on-the-fly deep
encryption. The DES standard is both laughable and backdoored by the
NSA.
OTOH, A Mobil gasoline thingie is keyring small and very convenient.
Mobil has gone to secondary verification required for its use, since
anybody with an RF interrogator...
Al,
I was consulting on a problem of using RF ID tags for kids track them on and
off school busses. At the current state of the art of inexpensive equipment
the technology is not good enough unless the kit submits the pass in a small
area when he enters or exists the bus.
I think I can probably make a loop antenna in the door that will ID them on
the way through be no one has put up the green for the project.
The scary part was I said, "the system is not secure anyway unless you
implant the chip because the kids will switch ID cards or take their friends
on the bus while the kid skips school any way."
The scary part was a lot of people saw nothing at all wrong with implanting
their kids with RF ID tags and many thought it was a great idea. Giving the
school and any one else with the ability to read the tags the ability to
track their kids.
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Gordon
Gordon Couger www.rfdata.net
Stillwater, OK
www.couger.com/gcouger
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I think the solution to the problem is to build a star ship and leave. But
this time take the people with good sense not the criminals, debtors and
religious misfits.
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Gordon Couger wrote:
Al,
I was consulting on a problem of using RF ID tags for kids track them on and
off school busses. At the current state of the art of inexpensive equipment
the technology is not good enough unless the kit submits the pass in a small
area when he enters or exists the bus.
I think I can probably make a loop antenna in the door that will ID them on
the way through be no one has put up the green for the project.
The scary part was I said, "the system is not secure anyway unless you
implant the chip because the kids will switch ID cards or take their friends
on the bus while the kid skips school any way."
The scary part was a lot of people saw nothing at all wrong with implanting
their kids with RF ID tags and many thought it was a great idea. Giving the
school and any one else with the ability to read the tags the ability to
track their kids.
We know what Heinlein thought of any society with mandatory IDs - time
to leave. Wouldn't it be great if we could add 100 mg of HMX and a
detonator? Criminals would no longer have to be imprisoned. Or an
explosive collar. Or a pain chip. Or pre-crime...
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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"Ray Drouillard" <cosmicpam2@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<2ttd1kF24oi11U1@uni-berlin.de>...
Beast, I
After those people have, um, left the area, it might very well become
mandatory.
Ray
But first they have to get a large number of imbeciles to wait in line
for them to get discounts on their groceries or somethin.
For convienience.
Like they have people on anti depressants and ati anxiety medicine
believing they are mentally ill.
Sure they're all losing thier jobs,pensions,future,and livelihood.
After you've been robbed,you get depressed and anxious.
But they even have kids on speed molecules and their hearst explode
every once and a while,but people accept this as normal.
Cuz they saw it's normal on TV.
After a few celebreties get the chip,or WalMart starts offering
discounts for "chippers"you watch and see.
Just like the drugs they have everyone on
it'll become "normal".
Then it'll be mandatory.
There are huge corporations that have millions staked on this
already.
However anything that stays in you is not good for you period.
I had a friend in a car accident and little shards of glass would
always be working their way out of his head years later.
It's not natural for any foreign object to stay in the human body.
Also these things shoot radio waves out to readers and your heartbeat
is in essence an electrical impulse.
It can't be healthy to add new freqencies to our
fragile nervous system.
It's just crazy and unneccesary.
Thats all there is to it.
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