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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism.
Oh yeah? But your FLAT OUT LIES POSTED ON ARS are OK? You are one lying,
snakey rat....who has long since forgotten the reason you got into
Scientology. Shame on you!
Quit spreading lie after lie after lie.
You are NOT 'helping your church'.
First off, it ISN'T a church, really.
Secondly, these flat out lies make you look like
an idiot, no one believes them but your stupid,
brainwashed CULT>
DUH!
And you're too afraid to talk to real people.
Slimebag loser. Get a life. Quit destroying ANY hope people who have trust
in your group once had.
More and more contact me daily. Why? Because of idiots like you. Thanks,
actually. You ARE freeing mankind, by making such a fool of yourself, you're
helping people wake up.
Great work!
Tory/Magoo~
On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
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Faxcultwhore, your rants do not touch any truth.
Are you thius guy encouraging to combat science and medicine and
authorities, in Narconon international.?
r
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faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) writes:
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Let's fix that:
$CIENTOLOGY SHILL FAX WHORE - NO EXPERT ON THOUGHT
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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This is from a $cientology site
Question: What are you doing in the United States?
Answer: Our US campaign is to get The Cult Around the Corner into libraries
across the USA-to replace the hate books of the old CAN (there are a few of them
on shelves in libraries across America). Librarians work on the same principle
that we are familiar with-the most recent writing is the most correct. If there
are two books on "cults" they will put the most recent and replace the older
book. The old anti-cult/pro-brainwashing books are 10 and 15 years old. This
is the most recent book-and includes a chapter quoting the most recent research
which debunks the brainwashing/mind control theory-so it SHOULD replace the
older books
This is from a $cientology site.
A book "Cult Around the Corner" apparently came out in May 2002. They still try
to say their not $cientology, especially with the use of the word "psychs" and
the need to attack the original CAN :-0
http://www.clubtheta. com
This is from a $cientology site
Nancy O'Meara, treasurer of the new Cult Awareness Network, and Club Theta
member, answers questions about her new book and its role in bringing about an
atmosphere of religious tolerance in the world.
This is from a $cientology site
Question: Is the new Cult Awareness Network a church-related group?
Answer: The biggest misunderstood I have found amongst the members of our church
is that they think our church "owns" the new CAN. In fact, the new CAN is a
totally separate non-profit corporation, funded by donations and run by an
interfaith Board of Directors (headed by a Baptist Minister with the corporate
secretary a Buddhist mediator).
This is from a $cientology site
Question: What is the difference between the new Cult Awareness Network and the
OLD Cult Awareness Network?
Answer: Too many people also don't understand that the old CAN was a type of
front group for anti-religious psychiatric psycho-babble. Psychiatrists like
Jolly West and Margaret Singer came up with the idea that "cults brainwash" and
"cults practice mind-control."
The new CAN is fighting for religious freedom and also fighting to expose the
psych lies about religion - that's what makes it different from the many other
very excellent interfaith and religious freedom groups around the world.
This is from a $cientology site
Question: You co-authored The Cult Around the Corner - A Handbook on Dealing
With Other People's Religions. Why did you include the word "cult" in the title
of your book?
Answer: We did surveys and did interviews - even speaking to the head librarian
of LA Public Library. And it turns out people don't walk into a library looking
for a book on "tolerance" - they look for a book on "cults." So we had to use
"cult", with the subtitle- "a handbook on other people's religions."
This is from a $cientology site
Question: So your "cult" book actually promotes religious freedom?
Answer: Absolutely. In fact our motto is, "We think you should talk to someone
before you decide you hate them." And you know what happens when people
communicate!
This is from a $cientology site
Question: What is the latest news about the book?
Answer: It's now been accepted by a national distributor-that's a big deal-they
sell to independent bookstores and libraries across the USA - and will start
doing so this summer. The more we get the book out there, the more the old
CAN's lies about new religions are defused and freedom of conscience
popularized.
This is from a $cientology site
Question: What are your plans for the coming year?
Answer: We are moving forward with plans in the coming year to get the book onto
French, Italian, Hungarian, German, Spanish and Russian websites. (We have it
online at www.toleranceforall. org - but we need to have websites actually in
those languages for the translated versions of the book.)
We also need to have these sites include real religious experts-not psychs who
know nothing about religion like the anti-cult groups promote.
This is from a $cientology site
Question: What are you doing in the United States?
Answer: Our US campaign is to get The Cult Around the Corner into libraries
across the USA-to replace the hate books of the old CAN (there are a few of them
on shelves in libraries across America). Librarians work on the same principle
that we are familiar with-the most recent writing is the most correct. If there
are two books on "cults" they will put the most recent and replace the older
book. The old anti-cult/pro-brainwashing books are 10 and 15 years old. This
is the most recent book-and includes a chapter quoting the most recent research
which debunks the brainwashing/mind control theory-so it SHOULD replace the
older books.
We now have thousands of copies of the book printed-we just need to get them
into the libraries.
This is from a $cientology site
Question: How exactly can Club Theta members help?
Answer: They can help promote The Cult Around the Corner by telling their
friends and acquaintances, or by ordering the book to give to their friends.
They can also make donations for libraries.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To order copies of The Cult Around the Corner, click the button below.
Order the book today ($9.95 includes shipping within the U.S.)
To make donations towards library purchases, click one of the buttons below.
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"Magoo" <magoo44@att.net> wrote in message news:<sM1cd.703578$Gx4.121524@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Oh yeah? But your FLAT OUT LIES POSTED ON ARS are OK?
Faxhor is not lying and, unlike you, he provided references to back
his statements up? Are you pushing heroin again, Tory?
Barbara Schwarz
On the internet,
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"Magoo" <magoo44@att.net> wrote in message news:<sM1cd.703578$Gx4.121524@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Oh yeah? But your FLAT OUT LIES POSTED ON ARS are OK?
Faxhor is not lying and, unlike you, he provided references to back
his statements up. Are you pushing heroin again, Tory?
Barbara Schwarz
On the internet,
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Faxhor is not lying and, unlike you, he provided references to back
his statements up.
Oh........wait..his "references" like "Tory told me"...
ya...those are HOT referernces, babe.
Are you pushing heroin again, Tory?
Are you raping kids again, BS?
Tory Christman
If you believe this, give me a call:
(818) 841- 3632.
Barbara Schwarz
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This was posted by an agent of the Cult of Scientology:
On 15 Oct 2004 21:32:25 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
wrote:
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # home.online.no/~heldal # www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as
well as we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and
honor our egos can tolerate.
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"Magoo" <magoo44@att.net> wrote in message news:<Ghhcd.706293$Gx4.3040@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
Oh........wait..his "references" like "Tory told me"...
ya...those are HOT referernces, babe.
Are you pushing heroin again, Tory?
Are you raping kids again, BS?
Raping kids again? Tory shows her real character, otherwise she would
not make up despicable libel like that. Tory Christman, Tory Bezazuan,
a woman with such a dirty fantasy should not be around children.
I think you indeed are back on drugs again, otherwise you would not
ask such a question, Tory. Why do you ask me that? Did you do that? Do
you did such despicable acts? Is that what your auditors missed to
find out about you?
As far as your drug habits are concerned, you told a newspaper, the
Los Angeles Times, in 2001, that you almost died on heroine.
Barbara Schwarz
Tory Christman
If you believe this, give me a call:
(818) 841- 3632.
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Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <heldal@online.no> wrote in message news:<85c5n0h79ml6c1n0c1l6ql2doumpd0saal@4ax.com>...
Dave Touretzky claims on his website that he is an "proud Republican",
but his "values" are everything else but American conservative,
Faxhor.
He is pro abortion up to the sixth month, he has bomb instructions on
the website, is a porn guy, persecutes religion, is anti education and
anti drug rehab. It seems he is rather an in closet anachist but a
Republican.
Barbara Schwarz
On 15 Oct 2004 21:32:25 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
wrote:
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Faxhor wrote:
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism.
Perhaps. However, most 1st Amendment scholars believe he
has the right to say what you claim he is saying.
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Faxhor is being a good little boy: he's including citations in his posting!
Like this one:
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
Let me quote a little bit of that transcript that Faxhor overlooked:
7 THE COURT: Well, Dr. Touretzky, let me just tell you
8 that this was illuminating and important. I was hoping we
9 were going to hear something like this through the whole
10 trial. I appreciate your having come.
11 THE WITNESS: Thank you, your Honor.
12 THE COURT: Thank you.
13 (Witness excused)
And a little further down, on the same day, Judge Kaplan said:
1 I think one thing probably has changed with respect
2 to the constitutional analysis, and that is that subject to
3 thinking about it some more, I really find what Professor
4 Touretzky had to say today extremely persuasive and
5 educational about computer code.
That is what I was brought in to do: educate the court as an expert
witness about the nature of computer code as speech. Whether that
means the DMCA is unconstitutional is for the court to decide, as
Judge Kaplan correctly noted. But I did change his mind about code
being speech.
All of this is probably too sophisticated a topic for Faxhor to
understand. He just posts what his Scientology minders tell him to
post.
Well that's fine, Faxhor. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to
rehash my expert witness testimony in the 2600 case. It made the New
York Times, you know.
To read more on this topic, visit this page and scroll down to the
"Media Coverage" section:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery
No wonder Scientology hates the Internet.
-- Dave Touretzky: "Uncontroversial speech doesn't need defending."
http://ScientologyWatch.org http://Stop-Narconon.org
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
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Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <heldal@online.no> wrote in message news:<85c5n0h79ml6c1n0c1l6ql2doumpd0saal@4ax.com>...
This was posted by an agent of the Cult of Scientology:
That is Andreas Heldal-Lund's opinion as my article was not posted
by an agent.
For Andreas Heldal-Lund, who is no investigator or journalist
(he's a propagandist), there is no other way but to lie. He
doesn't know about something or somebody, so he starts making
things up.
Faxhor
"I made a web site to inform others about my concerns.
It is not unbiased or objective, and it never claimed it was."
- Andreas Heldal-Lund
Andreas Heldal-Lund's biased and un-objective "concerns" are
based on propaganda, lies, distorted information, unsolved cases
and products of "revisionism" written by people such as one of
Willis Carto's writers Arnie Lerma. - Faxhor
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"Heldal-Lund is a member of the Heathen Society of Norway,
a religious hate group dedicated to the destruction of
all organized religion, particularly Christianity."
- Religious Freedom Watch Organization
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Andreas: Come to think of it, no racists or murderers have ever
done anything to me personally... should I reconsider
what I have against them?
Yeah right, that makes a bunch of sense.
Faxhor: The Heathen forgot to mention anti-religious bigots
who make death threats.
Andreas: You forgot to add that you promote lies about things
and persons you know absolutely nothing about.
I know me very well and I know just as well that what
you claim above are lies. But if it gives you meaning
and makes you tick to lie... ;)
Where did I lie?
First of all I never called Andreas the anti-religious bigot
who makes death threats. I said that he forgot to mention them
in his "no racists or murderers" philosophy. Why is Andreas
defending?
Secondly, I do not CLAIM that Andreas is a Heathen and a member
of the Heathen Society of Norway. Andreas "claims" it himself
on his website:
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http://home.online.no/~heldal/me.html
ABOUT ANDREAS
"Proud member of Hedningsamfunnet
(The Norwegian Society of Heathens) . . ."
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Is it true that the Heathen Society seeks to eliminate all
organized religion, specifically the Christian religion?
Here is one definition of HEATHEN that I believe fits Andreas.
One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
Maybe he is "civilized" but he definitely is irreligious and
unenlightened.
I'll give you some quotes that he has selected for his website:
"Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt."
"There is a God, but He drinks"
http://home.online.no/~heldal/journal.html
How can anyone trust any "concerns" evaluated by faulty logic
from a HEATHEN in regards to spiritual philosophy and organization.
Andreas: It doesn't bother me. I link to that DA page filled
with lies about me and use every opportunity to show
all I meet it to show how this cult operates.
Faulty evaluation again by Andreas the Heathen. Religious
Freedom Watch protects religious freedom for most major religions.
It is not a cult, it is a watchdog organization. It "operates"
by exposing people like Andreas in defense of religions that are
under attack by anti-religious information that has been broadcast
on international mediums such as the WEB, USENET and IRC.
Andreas: Try to find someone who knows me and ask them what
they think about your lies about me.
LIES? Who's lies? Where did *I* lie?
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Faxhor: Mirror this, its a picture of Andreas (registered owner
of a major dupe data website):
"In June 1995 Heldal-Lund was arrested for
conducting a hate march against the Lutheran
Church at their anniversary."
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/images/lundarrest.jpg
Andreas: Another lie from Scientology, I was not arrested...
What is that picture of Andreas with his hands behind his back
with a police officer?
If it is not an arrest then perhaps Andreas has an explanation
to set the records straight.
Andreas: ... and have never been (I don't even have a speeding
ticket). But do you care what is true? Most likely not.
If I didn't care I would not have offered Andreas the opportunity
to explain the photograph. I care what is true, I just dont care
who the truth hurts.
Andreas: You just don't like that people like me express a
different opinion . . .
Now Andreas is lying. Everyone is entitled to their own
opinion, but false statements are not opinions, they are lies.
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On 18 Oct 2004, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
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That's right. If you want to talk to an expert on the 1st Amendment, come
to me.
Bill Yaude, Outed Internet Terrorist
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Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Bill Yaude) wrote in message news:<WNNY0WZQ38279.0336342593@anonymous.poster>...
On 18 Oct 2004, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
That's right. If you want to talk to an expert on the 1st Amendment, come
to me.
Bill Yaude, Outed Internet Terrorist
The problem is, I dont think you really are Bill Yaude.
Faxhor
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Go go, Dave. You kick cult ass! :) I'm honored to have met you
in real life, you are the greatest!
Sorry to you guys in misc.legal, we can't help the Scientology
puppets and OSA agents dragging their lies and silly dead
agenting attempts over to you. Get educated, and remember what
this cult is up to and capable of the day you see them mentioned
in another context!
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # home.online.no/~heldal # www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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Each of us does what we can do. Our obligation is to do it as
well as we can, with as much grace, dignity, integrity and
honor our egos can tolerate.
-------------------------------------[Robert Vaughn Young]-----
On 15 Oct 2004 21:32:25 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
wrote:
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
================================================================
Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
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"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:<417428B0.B9AEE4FB@sprintmail.com>...
Faxhor wrote:
Perhaps. However, most 1st Amendment scholars believe he
has the right to say what you claim he is saying.
Would those scholars believe one has the right to proclaim
"FIRE" in a crowded theatre?
Faxhor
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On 18 Oct 2004 11:11:05 -0700, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <heldal@online.no> wrote in message news:<85c5n0h79ml6c1n0c1l6ql2doumpd0saal@4ax.com>...
Dave Touretzky claims on his website that he is an "proud Republican",
but his "values" are everything else but American conservative,
Faxhor.
He is pro abortion up to the sixth month, he has bomb instructions on
the website, is a porn guy, persecutes religion, is anti education and
anti drug rehab. It seems he is rather an in closet anachist but a
Republican.
Sounds like he's an old school Republican who believes in freedom and
fiscal responsibility, less intrusive gov't, and everything the GOP used
to stand for.
He's a "porn guy"? You mean he's an actor or what?
Religion has persecuted so many people it's time they suffered a little
persecution themselves, but pray tell, what did Touretzky do to deserve
your accusation?
And as professor at CMU, I know he's not anti-education, so I must
assume that everything you've said about him is pure bull#@($.
Barbara Schwarz
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On 15 Oct 2004 21:32:25 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism.
No, he just believes in free speech - the same free speech that allows
you to post your crap all over the internet.
On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups.
quote, please. If it's so horrendous, let us judge for ourselves.
On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction
Actually, he protests the imprisoning of an 18 year old for expressing
his political views.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/raisethefist/
and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
No, the DOD is just trying to restrict academia.
"This particular Web site seems to threaten some people yet at
the same time Professor Touretzky believes he has a right to
express himself as he sees fit."
- Peter Madsen, executive director
Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics at CMU
Who does it threaten? How about a quote from Touretzky demonstrating
his alleged "threat"?
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
That's an opinion of a judge who doesn't believe in the First Amendment.
Faxhor
REFERENCES:
CMU PROFESSOR'S WEB SITE CAUSING CONTROVERSY
http://www.wpxi.com/target11/2176679/detail.html
"It's right there in plain English -- directions
on how to make a fertilizer bomb. It's not on
some terrorist's Web site. It's on the Carnegie
Mellon University Web site of computer science
professor Dr. David Touretzky, who refers to it
as a free speech project."
- Karen Welles, Target 11 Investigator
Do you think Sherman Austin belongs in prison?
DAVID TOURETZKY'S DISCRIMINATION
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky0.html
"Hell, I'm for post-partum abortion!
Retro-active abortion! Up until,
say, the age of six months."
- David Touretzky
Finally, a quote, but it's what someone supposedly said in a chatroom
somewhere and given the context in which it was allegedly said, and the
context of the editorial introducing it, I hardly find it credible.
TRANSCRIPT OF TRIAL - DAY 6, MPAA V. 2600
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/20000725_ny_trial_transcript.html
"There is no doubt that yelling 'fire' in crowded theatre
is something that is problematic and probably impedes
expression by certain twisted individuals."
Have you read the entire transcript?
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000
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There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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On 19 Oct 2004 11:33:44 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Bill Yaude) wrote in message news:<WNNY0WZQ38279.0336342593@anonymous.poster>...
The problem is, I dont think you really are Bill Yaude.
Faxhor
The problem is you do not think....
You "Duplicate source" ( eg L Rin Hubturd)
You really need to STUDY the sources of Scientology...
http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm
arnie lerma
A Very MErry Ex-Clam
If the Ferengi were to breed with the Borg you'd get Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/comedy.html
The internet is the Liberty Tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/libertyl.html
The only thing that works in Scientology are its lawyers
http://www.lermanet.com/silence.htm
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
http://www.lermanet.com
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Faxhor wrote:
"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:<417428B0.B9AEE4FB@sprintmail.com>...
Would those scholars believe one has the right to proclaim
"FIRE" in a crowded theatre?
Probably not, but it doesn't seem at all analogous to me.
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Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<v82cn0prgg2lts0jm9qgmq0vf5hvpb85lf@4ax.com>...
On 18 Oct 2004 11:11:05 -0700, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
Sounds like he's an old school Republican who believes in freedom and
fiscal responsibility, less intrusive gov't, and everything the GOP used
to stand for.
I bet real Republicans would get very angry at you when you compare
them with Dave Touretzky. It is interesting that he claims to be a
Republican, as his values are everything but Republican.
He's a "porn guy"? You mean he's an actor or what?
He had photos of a certain little body part on his website and after
it was posted that it would be his, and it was noticed that it is so
small, he removed it. All the acting does not help in such a case. :)
He is a porn guy because he harassed me with a porn letter. He also
degrades Scientology with porn on his website. He is a pig.
Religion has persecuted so many people it's time they suffered a little
persecution themselves, but pray tell, what did Touretzky do to deserve
your accusation?
Religion is not the devil, Mike. Unreligious people who infiltrate
religion is the problem. No religion deserves persecution. We had that
all through history and it is time that this finally changes.
If you want to know what guy he is, go to
www.religionsfreedomwatch.org, and read the 10 pages that they put up
under extremists, Toureztky's name.
And as professor at CMU, I know he's not anti-education, so I must
assume that everything you've said about him is pure bull#@($.
Use a better language when addressing a lady.
He is anti-education, he attacks the study technology of L. Ron
Hubbard who helped thousands of people to study better and faster. If
you ask me, he just teaches the students at CMU loads of crap and
plays around with rats and mice. He also informs just about anybody
how to build bombs, if you think that is education...
Barbara Schwarz
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Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<uo2cn0pu3tcp8469uskt7pmfdgqicl9pfd@4ax.com>...
On 15 Oct 2004 21:32:25 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
No, he just believes in free speech - the same free speech that allows
you to post your crap all over the internet.
Has he asked you to defend him?
Dave Touretzky is not pro free speech. He is only for his very own
free speech. He and his lawless friends removed four of my websites
from the net because they were critical of him. My last ISP told me
that Touretzky himself contacted him to get my site removed.
I also know of another website, critical of him, not put up by me, who
mysterical disappared from my web.
He is not a free speech advocate, dummy!
Barbara Schwarz
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THIS BILL YAUDE IS AN IMPOSTER FROM AN ANONYMOUS REMAILER
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Imposter (abuse@dizum.com) wrote:
Bill Yaude, Outed Internet Terrorist
Faxhor (faxhor@hotmail.com) wrote:
The problem is, I dont think you really are Bill Yaude.
Arnie Lerma the nazi-friendly copyright criminal wrote:
The problem is you do not think....
Not thinking is Arnie The Suppressive Evaluator's problem.
Arnie Lerma sure wasn't thinking when he destroyed Factnet
with his impatient "legal maneuver"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4r9uud%248qd%40doc.zippo.com&output=gplain
Faxhor
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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4r9uud%248qd%40doc.zippo.com&output=gplain
Enter Arnie Lerma.
Young's indiscretion with Willis Carto threatened not only his own
livelihood, but the reputation of government officials in Germany who
have already been tagged by Scientology as suffering from a NAZI-like
mentality and the reputations of the groups which were taking the brunt
of the Scientology war machine: CAN and FACTNET. But Young's incident
with Carto was nothing when compared to the inept bungling which was
done by Arnie Lerma. Young merely acted as a Public Relations referral
point and a paid witness for FACTNET. Lerma however was brought onto
the FACTNET board of directors by Lawrence Wollersheim in July 1995 and
as the facts will show, maintained an even closer tie to the radical
right and Willis Carto.
Over the course of the next few weeks, Lerma all but destroyed the
entire four to five years work which Lawrence and Penny had put into
building up the most complete electronic library of anti-Scientology
material in existence and gave Scientology the weapon which it needed to
bring down FACTNET and Wollersheim in one lawsuit.
Can you imagine the shock experienced by Wollersheim when Lerma posted
the Fishman declaration attaching the OT levels, pulled in a raid on
himself and following that caused the raids at both Wollersheim's and
Penny's homes? Up to that point, FACTNET was winning the war with
Scientology but, because of this incredibly stupid move, the whole
course of the war changed.
After exhausting FACTNET's million dollar insurance policy, Lerma
proceeded to lose the copyright part of his case; game, set, and match
which set the stage for the same scenario in the FACTNET case in Denver.
Nearly as quickly as the raid on Lerma had occurred, it was over. The
evidence against him for infringment was so solid that the judge, who up
to that point looked like she would fry the Scientologists, ruled there
was nothing from Lerma that disputed the fact he had infringed and found
for the Scientology plaintiffs.
In an attempt to gain leniency from the court, Lerma wrote to Judge
Brinkema explaining that during the raid, someone had put LSD on his
toothbrush so that Lerma would be unable to properly function during the
first of the proceedings. The judge did not buy it and it only served
to make Lerma appear to be a lunatic.
Much to everyone's surprise, including Lawrence, Lerma added insult to
injury when it was revealed that he had been involved in various right
wing "patriot" causes. That would not have been so bad in and of itself
but like Young, Lerma is also an associate of none other than Willis
Carto.
In an e-mail of 4 Sept 1995, sent to our naive friend from South Africa,
Kim Baker, who later turned it over to the cult, Lerma made some
revelatory statements concerning his connections with Carto and his
front groups. Lerma, boasted to Baker that he had spoke to a room of
175 people when addressing a Carto group. He told Baker, "We have the
full support of Willis Carto, and the 'patriot' movement in the United
States."
Lerma was so ignorant of the position he had put FACTNET in that he took
no real steps to cover up his association with Carto. After the raid in
August 1995, Lerma was noted in Carto's Liberty Lobby newspaper "The
Spotlight" as having attended the Liberty Lobby 40th Anniversary
Convention where he was a featured panelist. Liberty Lobby is a group
referred to by the Anti-Defamation League as "the wealthiest and one of
the most active anti-semitic organizations in the United States."
Lerma tried to put on a good face to Baker (then also a FACTNET
director) over her concerns of having such close links to groups
involved in neo-NAZI activity. He told Baker, "The Spotlight is purging
its advertiser list of all questionable groups, neo-NAZIs, white
supremacists, etc."
And, in a backhanded anti-semitic remark he pointed out to Baker that
"Some of the ads [in The Spotlight] are placed by ADL just to make The
Spotlight deadagentable."
Lerma, in a rare moment of restraint told Baker in the same e-mail
message, "I suggest that we don't promote my relationship with Willis
Carto."
Surprisingly, Lerma has remained a FACTNET director. There has been no
statement of disavowal from FACTNET as to both Young's and Lerma's
connections to Willis Carto.
Even after Lerma lost his copyright case, FACTNET has made no move
to remove him from that position. This is the first thing that Lawrence
should have done when he learned that Lerma had posted the copyrighted
material to the internet, or certainly it should have been done
following the raid on Lerma's premises. This would have disassociated
FACTNET from Lerma, may have prevented the raid on Lawrence and Penny
and not have put them in a defensive position in this case where one of
their own directors (Lerma) has already gotten a judgement against
himself for copyright infringement. This will not look good to the
Denver court.
What happens if there is another copyright loss in the Denver court?
Where does that put FACTNET and Lawrence? What if the court issues
heavy fines for the copyright infringement? What will happen to
Lawrence's judgement in California if he loses in Denver and is fined
heavily?
Lerma's move was the single biggest mistake I have seen on the part of
the critics and was a major cause of the collapse of the effort which
was made by FACTNET.
Noyem Akopian
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"During the Revolution, in which the United States
won it's independence from Brittain, Anonymity was
crucial to promoting the exchange of ideas. The
principles of government, on which this nation was
founded, were presented in a brilliant discourse
entitled 'The Federalist Papers'. Newspapers of
the time printed editorials without disclosing the
identity of the author. This was necessary to
protect them from police action by the Tories."
-kuato@dotplanet.com
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On 20 Oct 2004 18:15:03 -0700, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
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THIS BILL YAUDE IS AN IMPOSTER FROM AN ANONYMOUS REMAILER
dear Scientologist Faxhor,
Ask your boss at the Office of Special Special Affiars Internet
Handling unit how many 12 year olds does it take for David (the
asthmatic dwarf) Miscaive to feel like a man,
Also, Ask him How many pairs of shoes it takes...
If the Ferengi were to breed with the Borg you'd get Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/comedy.html
The internet is the Liberty Tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/libertyl.html
The only thing that works in Scientology are its lawyers
http://www.lermanet.com/silence.htm
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
http://www.lermanet.com
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StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.0410201457.7d83e2bf@posting.google.com>...
Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote in message news:<v82cn0prgg2lts0jm9qgmq0vf5hvpb85lf@4ax.com>...
I bet real Republicans would get very angry at you when you compare
them with Dave Touretzky. It is interesting that he claims to be a
Republican, as his values are everything but Republican.
He had photos of a certain little body part on his website and after
it was posted that it would be his, and it was noticed that it is so
small, he removed it. All the acting does not help in such a case. :)
He is a porn guy because he harassed me with a porn letter. He also
degrades Scientology with porn on his website. He is a pig.
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