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Kobe Bryant has to be hoping that his civil case with Kate Faber doesn'
t go to trial for a long time. With each passing day more information about
Kate Faber becomes available. Before she accused Kobe Bryant of rape, Kate
Faber's life revolved around sex, lies, drugs, and alcohol. When Laie first
came forward with her story about Kate Faber, it was a tough battle getting
people to consider the fact that Kobe Bryant may not have raped Faber. Now
that everyone is aware Kate Faber has dropped the criminal complaint against
Kobe Bryant, and is pursuing a civil complaint purely for financial gain.
Public opinion has shifted from blind support of Kate Faber to a feeling
that Kobe Bryant was probably wrongly accused by her.
Since Kobe Bryant was accused of rape by Kate Faber on June 30, 2003
his life has been a rollercoaster ride that didn't stop until September 1,
2004 when Kate Faber dropped the criminal complaint against him. To this
day the mainstream media has been afraid to refer to Kate Faber by name,
while at the same time dragging Kobe Bryant through the mud. It seems that
regardless of Kate Faber's past history, she was given the benefit of a free
pass by the media simply because she claimed she was raped. Not with us she
hasn't. From the outset of this case we had lots of questions regarding the
claims and representations made by Kate Faber. The more we dug into Kate
Faber's past, the more we found that made us think Kobe Bryant was actually
the victim in the case.
Here is a fact check concerning Kate Faber's life style according to
our sources. With respect to Faber's activities before the Kobe Bryant
encounter involving Sex. Kate Faber had only slept with her boyfriend Matt
prior to entering college. After she began college she went from sleeping
with just Matt, to at least an estimated 65 different guys between October,
2002 and June 30, 2003. The last date is when she claimed to have been
raped by Kobe Bryant. There were at least two occasions during that time
when Kate Faber slept with three different guys over a three day period.
She had on more than one occasion slept with either the boyfriend of one of
her girlfriends, or a male friend of her boyfriends. Kate Faber had allowed
men she slept with to earn their "redwings" with her. She had her tongue
pierced when it was explained how that would enhance the experience for her
partner when she performed a specific sexual act upon them.
Kate Faber had an ongoing problem with telling Lies. According to
several sources Kate Faber had a long history of not telling the truth, or
if you prefer lying, to achieve her goals or to get what she wanted. Kate
Faber was known to have lied to almost everyone she had come in contact
with. Kate Faber had a pattern of forming close friendships with three
girls at a time. It becomes apparent as you listen to the stories
surrounding Faber's relationships with different friends that she used
people to get whatever she wanted.
When you listen to Faber's former friends tell you about their stories
and experiences with Kate. You can interchange the names because the
circumstances are almost identical. She openly admitted that she lied to
police about certain detains contained within her statement. But it took
Faber until July 31, 2004, over a year later, to notify authorities only
after it was apparent that she was caught in those lies.
Due to pending litigation we can't discuss the details of all these
lies at this time. But we eventually will be able to. Based on the
information we've obtained with regard to Kate Faber's pattern of lies. It
might lead you to wonder how many other lies Faber told the police about her
encounter with Kobe Bryant that she has gotten away with.
Then there were the Drugs. It was reported that Kate Faber claimed
that she only started using heavy drugs after her encounter with Kobe
Bryant. The only problem with that is we have several sources who claimed
that Kate Faber was using cocaine as early as March of 2003, and was smoking
marijuana on a regular basis since October of 2002. That Faber never
purchased her own drugs because she didn't have the money to do so. Kate
Faber would get different people at parties to give the drugs to her, get it
from guys she was sleeping with, or from guys that gave her drugs thinking
they had a shot at sleeping with her.
Kate Faber was involved with a lot of drug use that might account for
why she wasn't attending classes in college, which led to her failing
grades. She would party and do drugs at night, and then skip class and
sleep during the day. When weather permitted her favorite skipping class
activity was skateboarding at the local skateboard park near her college.
Now we can't forget about the Alcohol. This was Kate Faber's easiest
way to get a buzz. See seemed to have one group of friends that she
concentrated on consuming mixed drinks, and another group of people who she
hung with that beer was their beverage of choice. What I found interesting
is that Kate Faber seemed to live a double life. The people who she hung
with that said she always drank mixed drinks said they rarely remember her
having any beer. That she didn't like beer. While the other group of
people Kate Faber hung with who said she was always drinking beer because
that's what she liked. The second group rarely remembered her ever having
mixed drinks. Kate Faber would do what ever it took to blend in and be
accepted by the people she was surrounded herself with at the time.
Now this is where it gets better. As you know if you've been following
the recent news, Kate Faber is now pregnant, according to a report in the
Globe Magazine. The father is someone she met during her stay at a rehab
center in Florida. But apparently the rehab didn't do her any good. Faber
is reported to be currently using drugs and is still consuming alcohol.
Apparently even with all the therapy Faber has gone through it hasn't done
her any good.
Now here is something that is being worked on currently. Some of Kate
Faber's former friends are getting together to do a tell all book about her
life style, and why they don't think Kate Faber was assaulted by Kobe
Bryant. As soon as the details become available we'll be sure to announce
it.
I think when Lin Wood and John Clune, who are Kate Faber's attorneys,
hear about this. Not to mention when Faber reads the book. They're going
to hope that no one on the jury in their civil case would have read this
book yet. Or there's a good possibility that they'll be awarding Kobe
Bryant money damages.
You know what they say. In the end the truth always catches up to you.
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In alt.gossip.celebrities s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
her girlfriends, or a male friend of her boyfriends. Kate Faber had allowed
men she slept with to earn their "redwings" with her. She had her tongue
Redwings?
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In article <qzedd.33034$qU.20734@clgrps13>,
<n1g3r14n_pr1nc3@salmahayeksknockers.edu> wrote:
her girlfriends, or a male friend of her boyfriends. Kate Faber had allowed
men she slept with to earn their "redwings" with her. She had her tongue
Redwings?
If you don't already know, then chances are once you do find out you'll
wish you hadn't.
Max
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"Max Chuang" <mach@[nospam]csua.berkeley.edu> wrote
Redwings?
If you don't already know, then chances are once you do find out you'll
wish you hadn't.
Tart tartare
Chas
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You don't want to know
In alt.gossip.celebrities s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Redwings?
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cl39l2$hhn@dispatch.concentric.net>...
http://www.fratpack.com/article-main.php?id=36
In related news, Laie Weatherwax has been appointed the official
spokesperson for the voices in her head.
Mez
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"maxheavy" <maxheavy@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:cl3t7g$9fq$1@nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov:
You don't want to know
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red+wings&r=f
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/f/fratpack/04/fratpack081204.htm
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yeah, it was like so cool when we hang out, then you know, and she was
totally out of it. i mean, yeah, you know, the kobe bryant thing just
changed her, she's not cool anymore, and like she wouldn't party with
us anymore.
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Albert wrote:
yeah, it was like so cool when we hang out, then you know, and she was
totally out of it. i mean, yeah, you know, the kobe bryant thing just
changed her, she's not cool anymore, and like she wouldn't party with
us anymore.
Redwings: one question really stupid...
Fucking woman while on her period?
Eating out woman while on her period (i.e., vampiristic?)
Either way, BFD
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Chas wrote:
"Max Chuang" <mach@[nospam]csua.berkeley.edu> wrote
Redwings?
Tart tartare
That's pretty clever -- I never heard that before -- did you make up that
good description?
Chas
--
nimue
"If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater
influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon
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"nimue" <cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com> wrote
Tart tartare
That's pretty clever -- I never heard that before -- did you make up that
good description?
a flesh of inspiration-
Chas
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"nimue" <cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com> wrote
Tart tartare
a flesh of inspiration-
I noticed you had nothing to say when it was revealed a couple weeks ago
that your princess Faber admitted to lying not once but FOUR times.
Not surprising you were quiet considering all the posts where you insisted
everything she claimed was true.
But then again, you claimed Kobe lied 4 times as well and still to this date
with all the documents released, there is no proof of that, other than the
initial denial of sex.
So let's see. Originally you claimed Kobe lied 4 times and Faber never lied.
That was before the documents were released. Now we know that you were wrong
on both counts. What a surprise.
--
"The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the
second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent
ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists."
- Ernest Hemingway
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In article <GfednQDtpNf8X-jcRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Chas
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"nimue" <cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com> wrote
Tart tartare
a flesh of inspiration-
You're a cunning linguist, a real mens!
It could've been tuna tartare, so at least the douchebag douched.
--Tim May
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
I noticed you had nothing to say when it was revealed a couple weeks ago
that your princess Faber admitted to lying not once but FOUR times.
I was ill for a while- in court for a bit; just diverted from the newsgroup.
I'm taking a day off today, matter of fact.
I found her lies inconsequential in terms of the event itself- and still
find her discription of the event far more compelling than his.
Not surprising you were quiet considering all the posts where you insisted
everything she claimed was true.
I don't remember claiming any such thing.
And, as I say, it's inconsequential that she lied about her reason for being
late.
Who knows why she lied about washing her face? It certainly has no bearing
on her description of the rape.
As I say; I've worked with a lot of rape victims- both in 'stranger' rape
and 'acquaintance' rape situations, as well as rape by athletes in similar
situations to this one. Her report of the event is very believeable if one
is objective.
But then again, you claimed Kobe lied 4 times as well and still to this
date
with all the documents released, there is no proof of that, other than the
initial denial of sex.
His spokesman lied first, said nothing happened at all; then they tried to
put it on another member of his entourage; then Kobe lied about having sex
with her; I don't recall citing a fourth one.
I liked the way he explained away her misperception of being strangled-
gee; how could she have missed the cues?
Chas
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"Tim May" <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote
Tart tartare
That's pretty clever -- I never heard that before -- did you make up
that
good description?
a flesh of inspiration-
You're a cunning linguist, a real mens!
A'merkin; by blood and berth
It could've been tuna tartare, so at least the douchebag douched.
That's why your nose is right above your mouth.
Chas
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
I was ill for a while- in court for a bit; just diverted from the
newsgroup.
I'm taking a day off today, matter of fact.
I found her lies inconsequential in terms of the event itself- and still
find her discription of the event far more compelling than his.
There isn't any anybody contradicting Kobe's story other than her. Her story
on the other hand is disputed not only by Kobe but by multiple people. The
night auditor called her a liar. The CBI expert called her a liar. Multiple
friends have called her a liar. She admitted to lying. See the pattern?
Not surprising you were quiet considering all the posts where you
insisted
everything she claimed was true.
I don't remember claiming any such thing.
And, as I say, it's inconsequential that she lied about her reason for
being
late.
One lie, maybe. But FOUR? Don't forget, she already admitted to lying to her
boyfriend Matt Herr about showering. And she admitted to lying to Kobe
BEFORE any consensual kissing took place. Who knows how many more lies there
are. She'd be perfect for Scott Peterson. They can both keep lying to each
other.
Who knows why she lied about washing her face? It certainly has no bearing
on her description of the rape.
She lied because she couldn't explain why she didn't use the phone in the
bathroom. Isn't it funny how she modified her story to fit Kobe's?
As I say; I've worked with a lot of rape victims- both in 'stranger' rape
and 'acquaintance' rape situations, as well as rape by athletes in similar
situations to this one. Her report of the event is very believeable if one
is objective.
Believable if you ignore the fact that she lied four times. And how there
are no marks on her neck even though he supposedly chokes her. And how there
are no marks on his hand even though she supposedly had to pry them off. And
how Kobe supposedly stops for no apparent reason.
And guess what? Mostly the prosecution's side of the documents have been
released. Most of what the defense wants unsealed haven't even been released
yet. Once they have, most likely you can add on more lies.
But then again, you claimed Kobe lied 4 times as well and still to this
date
with all the documents released, there is no proof of that, other than
the
initial denial of sex.
His spokesman lied first, said nothing happened at all; then they tried to
put it on another member of his entourage; then Kobe lied about having sex
with her; I don't recall citing a fourth one.
I liked the way he explained away her misperception of being strangled-
gee; how could she have missed the cues?
In other words you were wrong. He lied once.
--
"The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the
second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent
ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists."
- Ernest Hemingway
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
There isn't any anybody contradicting Kobe's story other than her.
That's kinda common with rapists and their victims.
Her story
on the other hand is disputed not only by Kobe but by multiple people. The
night auditor called her a liar.
Hardly compelling stuff there, Don.
The CBI expert called her a liar.
And her lawyers say they have a response to that- so far unheard from any
reports.
Multiple
friends have called her a liar. She admitted to lying. See the pattern?
Yes; absolutely inconsequential fibs- teenage stuff.
Nobody ever accused her of being a rocket scientist- look at where she ended
up in the first place. Most women wouldn't touch him with a rock.
One lie, maybe. But FOUR?
If they were lies cogent to the event, it might have more weight.
Don't forget, she already admitted to lying to her
boyfriend Matt Herr about showering. And she admitted to lying to Kobe
BEFORE any consensual kissing took place. Who knows how many more lies
there
are. She'd be perfect for Scott Peterson. They can both keep lying to each
other.
Still doesn't relieve him of his admission- the admission about strangling-
his admission that she was sincere in her viewpoint-
*that's* the criteria for rape, Don.
She lied because she couldn't explain why she didn't use the phone in the
bathroom. Isn't it funny how she modified her story to fit Kobe's?
The hypothesis about what she might have done is just that; an hypothesis.
People try to predict, or question, rape victim behaviour, but it's pretty
unfounded.
She was already in a questionable situation *before* he raped her- no wonder
she was babbling.
Believable if you ignore the fact that she lied four times.
No; believable if you've interviewed rape victims before-
And how there
are no marks on her neck even though he supposedly chokes her. And how
there
are no marks on his hand even though she supposedly had to pry them off.
And
how Kobe supposedly stops for no apparent reason.
How about his admission of his strangling fetish?
And guess what? Mostly the prosecution's side of the documents have been
released. Most of what the defense wants unsealed haven't even been
released
yet. Once they have, most likely you can add on more lies.
He already admitted that her story was sincere and claimed some sort of
honest mistake in her non-acceptance of his various perversions.
Seems pretty forthright to me.
I liked the way he explained away her misperception of being strangled-
gee; how could she have missed the cues?
In other words you were wrong. He lied once.
No; he sent two guys out to lie for him first- using a spokesman doesn't
relieve him of the falsehood, Don.
And, as he admits further indiscretions, he's been lying on along, hasn't
he?
Chas
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In article <mNGdneU9X4-qT-jcRVn-vw@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
I was ill for a while- in court for a bit; just diverted from the newsgroup.
I'm taking a day off today, matter of fact.
I found her lies inconsequential in terms of the event itself- and still
find her discription of the event far more compelling than his.
It is scary that some courts are stupid enough to allow a proven jackass
like you in the building.
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In article <bpWdnRn_04aVTujcRVn-2w@comcast.com>
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Tim May" <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote
Tart tartare
That's pretty clever -- I never heard that before -- did you make up
that
good description?
a flesh of inspiration-
A'merkin; by blood and berth
That's why your nose is right above your mouth.
Unlike yours, it is right up in Faber's ass.
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In article <ubrbn093paml56q7ia64fvqit886elfm1a@4ax.com>,
sportsfart <sports@fan.home> wrote:
Unlike yours, it is right up in Faber's ass.
Do you think your dreams mean anything?
--
Lady Chatterly
"I don't mind the arrogance as much as the fact that it's mean to me."
-- Tuesday Knight
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In article <h9rbn01m46ufgdlf43dhi00oin8sc2661a@4ax.com>,
sportsfart <sports@fan.home> wrote:
It is scary that some courts are st<SLAP>
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/
--
Lady Chatterly
"I don't mind the arrogance as much as the fact that it's mean to me."
-- Tuesday Knight
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oceanstrip <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<paudnV-kadIoIejcRVn-tQ@comcast.com>...
Albert wrote:
Redwings: one question really stupid...
Fucking woman while on her period?
Eating out woman while on her period (i.e., vampiristic?)
Either way, BFD
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Eating old blood & tissue which the body is discarding.
Gee, what better way to get blood-borne diseases?
Hey idiots! Earn your "redwings". Suffer & die young.
How sad.
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
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"su-texas, susan" <su-texas@webtv.net> wrote
Eating old blood & tissue which the body is discarding.
Well, you don't really *eat* it- more like just sniffin' and lickin'.
Gee, what better way to get blood-borne diseases?
Yeah; sex is so @$#*ing unhigienic.
Hey idiots! Earn your "redwings". Suffer & die young.
How very kind of you to say.
How sad.
Nah; I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
Chas
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"su-texas, susan" wrote:
oceanstrip <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<paudnV-kadIoIejcRVn-tQ@comcast.com>...
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Eating old blood & tissue which the body is discarding.
Gee, what better way to get blood-borne diseases?
Hey idiots! Earn your "redwings". Suffer & die young.
How sad.
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
In actuality, a woman is at her most feminine when she's having a
period!
I guess some guys really do prefer the less feminine among us. From now
on I'm going to see feminazi as a pickup line :)
yD
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Her story
on the other hand is disputed not only by Kobe but by multiple people.
The
night auditor called her a liar.
Hardly compelling stuff there, Don.
There's no reason for the night auditor to lie. Afterall, according to
Faber, she barely met her that night. That is assuming Faber wasn't lying
about that. You can never tell with her, can you? LOL. According to night
auditor, Faber was smiling and "bubbling".
The CBI expert called her a liar.
And her lawyers say they have a response to that- so far unheard from any
reports.
You mean like the semen on her neck is 3 days old and how she didn't shower
for 3 days? Yeah, I'm sure a jury would believe that. No wonder she
retracted the story about washing her face.
Multiple
friends have called her a liar. She admitted to lying. See the pattern?
Yes; absolutely inconsequential fibs- teenage stuff.
Nobody ever accused her of being a rocket scientist- look at where she
ended
up in the first place. Most women wouldn't touch him with a rock.
Yeah teenage stuff. Like lying about rape to get the attention of your
ex-boyfriend. And then proceed to have sex with him.
Believable if you ignore the fact that she lied four times.
No; believable if you've interviewed rape victims before-
Believable if you ignore her story that Kobe wanted to leave the room and go
to the spa with her and that she wanted to stay and kiss him consensually.
Makes sense, doesn't it? She had a problem going to the *public* spa with
him but had no problem *privately* kissing him.
And how there
are no marks on her neck even though he supposedly chokes her. And how
there
are no marks on his hand even though she supposedly had to pry them off.
And
how Kobe supposedly stops for no apparent reason.
How about his admission of his strangling fetish?
That's how he has sex by the back of the neck. So what?
And guess what? Mostly the prosecution's side of the documents have been
released. Most of what the defense wants unsealed haven't even been
released
yet. Once they have, most likely you can add on more lies.
He already admitted that her story was sincere and claimed some sort of
honest mistake in her non-acceptance of his various perversions.
Seems pretty forthright to me.
Her story could very well be sincere when you factor in her personality
disorder. She's mentally screwed up enough to believe such things even if
they aren't true.
I liked the way he explained away her misperception of being strangled-
gee; how could she have missed the cues?
In other words you were wrong. He lied once.
No; he sent two guys out to lie for him first- using a spokesman doesn't
relieve him of the falsehood, Don.
And, as he admits further indiscretions, he's been lying on along, hasn't
he?
How can he send a "spokesman" to speak for him when he didn't even know he
was being investigated? The first time he spoke with the cops, he never
denied not knowing her, unlike your claims. Like I said, in other words, you
were wrong.
--
"The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the
second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent
ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists."
- Ernest Hemingway
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su-texas@webtv.net (su-texas, susan) wrote in message news:<46df9233.0410200250.290e5a2@posting.google.com>...
oceanstrip <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<paudnV-kadIoIejcRVn-tQ@comcast.com>...
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Eating old blood & tissue which the body is discarding.
Gee, what better way to get blood-borne diseases?
Hey idiots! Earn your "redwings". Suffer & die young.
How sad.
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions
Does anybody really do this? I thought it was made up, like the dirty sanchez.
Mez
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:cl39l2$hhn@dispatch.concentric.net...
http://www.fratpack.com/article-main.php?id=36
Kobe Bryant has to be hoping that his civil case with Kate Faber doesn'
t go to trial for a long time. With each passing day more information about
Kate Faber becomes available. Before she accused Kobe Bryant of rape, Kate
Faber's life revolved around sex, lies, drugs, and alcohol. When Laie first
came forward with her story about Kate Faber, it was a tough battle getting
people to consider the fact that Kobe Bryant may not have raped Faber. Now
that everyone is aware Kate Faber has dropped the criminal complaint against
Kobe Bryant, and is pursuing a civil complaint purely for financial gain.
Public opinion has shifted from blind support of Kate Faber to a feeling
that Kobe Bryant was probably wrongly accused by her.
Sounds interesing, especially the book.
Alex
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"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
There's no reason for the night auditor to lie. Afterall, according to
Faber, she barely met her that night. That is assuming Faber wasn't lying
about that. You can never tell with her, can you? LOL. According to night
auditor, Faber was smiling and "bubbling".
And we have no idea with what criteria she made that determination- or what
her own motivations may be. It's a pretty casual observation- hard to draw
much conclusion from it.
Besides, there have been a lot of women who put on their public face after a
rape, and went on about their business for a short while- particularly as
with odd circumstances, as with a celebrity rape, a party rape, an
office/school/supervisor rape.
Unfortunately, the stigma is so harsh, that many women will mask themselves
and cloak their emotions rather than suffer it.
And her lawyers say they have a response to that- so far unheard from any
reports.
You mean like the semen on her neck is 3 days old and how she didn't
shower
for 3 days? Yeah, I'm sure a jury would believe that. No wonder she
retracted the story about washing her face.
Only one sexual act is in question- the one that was non-consensual by both
of their accounts. Re-read his apology and what he had to admit about the
substance of her complaint. Remember that *his* perception isn't in
question- only hers and she gets to say what it was. So far, he's looking
pretty bad- particularly with the strangulation thing and his little
'quirks'.
Yeah teenage stuff. Like lying about rape to get the attention of your
ex-boyfriend. And then proceed to have sex with him.
Like reporting a rape- even against a powerful celebrity like Bryant. And
again, her sexual proclivities are her own business- you know, like Bryant's
multiple adulteries.
Believable if you ignore her story that Kobe wanted to leave the room and
go
to the spa with her and that she wanted to stay and kiss him consensually.
Kissing him doesn't sign her up for anything. Maybe she kissed him, didn't
like it and tried to withdraw. He may have felt entitled and took some
pussy- pretty common motivation.
How about his admission of his strangling fetish?
That's how he has sex by the back of the neck. So what?
So that's the basis for her fear of him.
What would *you* do if a 6'6" professional athlete started to strangle you
for some pussy? You'd lay back and think of England, that's what you'd do.
Her story could very well be sincere when you factor in her personality
disorder. She's mentally screwed up enough to believe such things even if
they aren't true.
Nah; he was a lot more apologetic than that, bud. His lawyers had to get his
statement excluded from admission as evidence because of it.
How can he send a "spokesman" to speak for him when he didn't even know he
was being investigated? The first time he spoke with the cops, he never
denied not knowing her, unlike your claims. Like I said, in other words,
you
were wrong.
He's protected by layers of entourage- his spokesman said that he wasn't
aware of anything happening; then, when confronted with the truth, they
tried to say it was someone else in the entourage that she hooked up with;
then Kobe admitted it was him only after being confronted with evidence.
And that's on top of the offer to bribe her, the plea for the police to
conceal his adultery or the claim of rape; the claim that the accuser was
somehow unique in his married life; the denial of choking her- when we later
find out that's his preference-
It's a long list.
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ANGdnYLu2NvLnurcRVn-pg@comcast.com>...
"Don Tiberone" <DonTiberoneNOSPAM@SKP.net> wrote
And we have no idea with what criteria she made that determination- or what
her own motivations may be. It's a pretty casual observation- hard to draw
much conclusion from it.
Besides, there have been a lot of women who put on their public face after a
rape, and went on about their business for a short while- particularly as
with odd circumstances, as with a celebrity rape, a party rape, an
office/school/supervisor rape.
Unfortunately, the stigma is so harsh, that many women will mask themselves
and cloak their emotions rather than suffer it.
And her lawyers say they have a response to that- so far unheard from any
reports.
Only one sexual act is in question- the one that was non-consensual by both
of their accounts. Re-read his apology and what he had to admit about the
substance of her complaint. Remember that *his* perception isn't in
question- only hers and she gets to say what it was.
You realize, of course, how vulnerable this makes any man to a
charge of rape. I have a son of dating age. The idea that a young
woman could turn his life into permanent hell just because of her
idiosyncratic "perception" of the meaning of an encounter, regardless
of what he did or intended, does not sound so good.
So far, he's looking
pretty bad- particularly with the strangulation thing and his little
'quirks'.
Like reporting a rape- even against a powerful celebrity like Bryant. And
again, her sexual proclivities are her own business- you know, like Bryant's
multiple adulteries.
You keep bringing up K.B. multiple aduleries. First of all, that is
not a criminal matter. Second, it is strong evidence that he is
accustomed to women offering themselves to him for little effort or
exertion on his part. In other words, he does not need to rape anyone.
Kissing him doesn't sign her up for anything. Maybe she kissed him, didn't
like it and tried to withdraw. He may have felt entitled and took some
pussy- pretty common motivation.
Yeah, and star @$#*ing is also a pretty common motivation. From the
evidence, both parties in that room were at home with that sort of
exchange.
How about his admission of his strangling fetish?
So that's the basis for her fear of him.
What would *you* do if a 6'6" professional athlete started to strangle you
for some pussy? You'd lay back and think of England, that's what you'd do.
The fact that he was a 6'6' star professional athelete was the only
reason K.F went to so much trouble to be in that room in the first
place. Or should we pretend surprise that she should find that
attractive or that he could not easily over-power her if he chose?
She was not looking to be "raped". But no one should be confused
about why she put herself there.
Nah; he was a lot more apologetic than that, bud. His lawyers had to get his
statement excluded from admission as evidence because of it.
This sort of apology always says, " I am sorry your feelings were
hurt." Which does not add up to a confession of intentional infliction
of pain.
Lawyers exclude everything they possibly can.
He's protected by layers of entourage- his spokesman said that he wasn't
aware of anything happening; then, when confronted with the truth, they
tried to say it was someone else in the entourage that she hooked up with;
then Kobe admitted it was him only after being confronted with evidence.
And that's on top of the offer to bribe her, the plea for the police to
conceal his adultery or the claim of rape; the claim that the accuser was
somehow unique in his married life;
As if no other married guy (or woman for that matter) would behave
differently if accused of a Hotel-Room romp.
the denial of choking her- when we later
find out that's his preference-
That allegation goes way past what anyone has proven.
It's a long list.
Chas
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"Ralph DuBose" <rdubose@pdq.net> wrote
You realize, of course, how vulnerable this makes any man to a
charge of rape. I have a son of dating age. The idea that a young
woman could turn his life into permanent hell just because of her
idiosyncratic "perception" of the meaning of an encounter, regardless
of what he did or intended, does not sound so good.
Sure.
I have a daughter and two sons, one of dating age.
I tell my oldest son not to strangle women and take some pussy on five
minutes acquaintance- with any luck, he'll listen.
You keep bringing up K.B. multiple aduleries. First of all, that is
not a criminal matter.
Goes to credibility and pattern-
Second, it is strong evidence that he is
accustomed to women offering themselves to him for little effort or
exertion on his part. In other words, he does not need to rape anyone.
And he thinks he's entitled to some booty if he snaps his fingers- a common
scenario in athlete rapes.
Kissing him doesn't sign her up for anything. Maybe she kissed him,
didn't
like it and tried to withdraw. He may have felt entitled and took some
pussy- pretty common motivation.
Yeah, and star @$#*ing is also a pretty common motivation. From the
evidence, both parties in that room were at home with that sort of
exchange.
Even if she went to his room with the intention of @$#*ing him, if she
changed her mind, it's her prerogative. Maybe he had bad breath, or got
arrogant and abusive- maybe she doesn't like being strangled from behind as
foreplay.
It's *his* responsibility to determine, beyond a shadow of a doubt, her
willing compliance in such a weird scenario.
Ask your wife what it takes to make all that alright.
The fact that he was a 6'6' star professional athelete was the only
reason K.F went to so much trouble to be in that room in the first
place. Or should we pretend surprise that she should find that
attractive or that he could not easily over-power her if he chose?
She was not looking to be "raped". But no one should be confused
about why she put herself there.
Actually, there are a lot of people who would like to meet a celebrity, get
their autograph, make a contact for a friend- and that's the story she
tells.
His assumption that any woman in arm's reach is looking to @$#* him isn't
sufficient to establish consent.
This sort of apology always says, " I am sorry your feelings were
hurt." Which does not add up to a confession of intentional infliction
of pain.
You ever have a question about consent from one of your partners?
Lawyers exclude everything they possibly can.
Particularly when their client is culpable.
As if no other married guy (or woman for that matter) would behave
differently if accused of a Hotel-Room romp.
Yup.
If her sexual history is fair game- and her lie about why she was late to
work is indicative of a propensity for mendacity, then so is his.
the denial of choking her- when we later
That allegation goes way past what anyone has proven.
yet.
She cited the choking immediately.
He admits that grabbing a woman's neck is sexually exciting to him- and
cites 'Michelle' as a witness to his preference.
He allows as how there might be a confusion about his intent- and that the
victim might well have been startled by being grabbed like that.
Pretty straightforward stuff-
Chas
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