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If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice... {HRI 20041102}



AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite)
11/1/2004 11:44:36 AM


f Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
2 November 2004
{HRI 20041102}
If Pilate would have had the wisdom of King Solomon
when facing the Criminal Mind and High Priest Caiaphas,
then Pilate would of course have arrested this High Priest, Caiaphas,
on the grounds of
accomplished incitement to Criminal acts and public
Injustice, *(1)
on the grounds of
proven and mortally false accusations against Jesus *(2)
on the grounds of
proven public incitement *(3) to executing not only an
innocent but also extremely valuable, contributive person.
And then, Pilate would of course have had the High Priest Caiaphas,
after arresting him,
publicly whipped in front of the very crowd
from which the High Priest Caiaphas was hiding
that not Jesus but that he, Caiaphas himself was the
Criminal Mind destroying their lives. *(4)
And then, by way of fulfilling the demand of Caiaphas that
"the people want to see someone put to death," *(5)
Pilate would of course have had the High Priest Caiaphas crucified.
Let this be a lesson - mutatis mutandis* - to entirely Lawless
law students and lawyers, and
to equally Lawless public prosecutors and judges, and
to equally Lawless diplomats and journalists and politicians
and civil servants
to the utter amazement and dismay of the alert public
and to the detriment of the concerned public,
- if we study only a little bit of history at all,
or if we read some 'Legal Expertise' in any field -
when the not at all imaginary case applies,
that such 'servants of the public' either are too cowardly
to exert the viewpoint, or
that they DO NOT EVEN WANT to have a viewpoint
on what actually is Lawless and what is Lawful. *(6)
And when they DO have a viewpoint on what IS Lawless and what IS
Lawless
- as most people do have very well a viewpoint on that,
after all it is native to the normal, non-Criminal mind
to have a conscience -
then why do they not want to exert that viewpoint that they do
have?
Solely and only because they are afraid to get hit by
Criminal Minds,
because Criminal Minds USE RULES AND LAWS AND
REGULATIONS AND PROTOCOLS
IN REVERSE.
Criminal Minds USE laws and regulations and rules
in order to ENFORCE THEIR DESTRUCTIVE IMPULSES ON
PEOPLE, on you and me, on everyone. *(7)
You can observe them trying to make rules (and
even laws) to that effect,
if you look at all around you or at the
news.
That is the easiest thing to observe in the society,
because 'applying rules or laws destructively' is already
done to children, at school, even at home, and so on and
on.
It is time that you start to face Criminal Minds - they make up
only one percent of the population, and
they are the ones that you pay every year trillions of
dollars in defense and anti-terror measures, as well as
your monthly medical insurance for, *(9)
for your intensely insane *(10) and utter laziness in NOT
detecting them and NOT understanding them. *(11)(12)
So, do now for yourself, and for your children, and also for me,
what I would suggest to the sane and caring minds amongst you.
As always, I inform you in accordance with
'The Trinity of Science.'
Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet
'Men of all nations came
to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
sent by all the kings of the world,
who had heard of his wisdom.'
1 Kings 4:34
_________
Footnotes:
(1) 'Detecting Criminal Minds By Their Intentional Omission Of Truth'
(19 August 2002 - Version 1.2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0209090620.508a3d65@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(2) '"What Do You Think Of Jesus Christ?"' (28 April 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0404281110.7a214984@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(3) 'Criminal Minds Know Themselves Very Well They Are Lying'
{HRI 20040520-V1.3} (20 May 2004) (Version 1.3 at 21 May 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0405210602.753091d1@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(4) 'Only 'Zero Tolerance For Criminal Minds' Can Tolerate Them'
{HRI 20040205-V3.0-beta-1-p2}
(Preview 1 of Version 3.0 part two, on 30 Oct 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=989886.0410300713.ad5cce7@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(5) 'Standard Responses Of Criminal Minds' (9 May 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0305090914.75e26917@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(6) 'Tolerance Defined In Holland (The Netherlands)' (25 Dec 2002)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0301011116.402c5aaa@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(7) 'Only 'Zero Tolerance For Criminal Minds' Can Tolerate Them'
{HRI 20040205-V3.0-beta-1-p1}
(Preview 1 of Version 3.0 part one, on 26 Oct 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=989886.0410260209.2a9c9f18@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(8) 'Learning And Reading - Leonardo Da Vinci and Galileo Galilei had
an excellent command of reading and writing' {HRI 20040811}
(11 August 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0408130859.4f1a61a7@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(9) 'The First International Law (Version 2.0) - {HRI 20021124-V2.0}'
(24 November 2002 - Version 2.0 on 23 Sept 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0309230512.8925eb9@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(10) 'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor' (5 Feb 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0302160841.7730fa14@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(11) 'Definition Of Sanity' {HRI 20040410-V1.2}
(10 April 2004 - Version 1.2 at 16 Apr 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0404161237.1a62dd2d@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(12) 'The Purpose Of Life (Quote from KNT hrp&p - {HRI
20040927-V2.7})'
(7 October 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=989886.0410210339.3aa200c@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(*) 'Mutatis Mutandis' (Latin): If you change the necessary things,
so that it applies correctly.
Copyright 2004 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
and poet
This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free
 
 
"Susan Cohen"
11/1/2004 9:22:39 PM




"Koos Nolst Trenite" <AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b6f518d.0411011144.78ea3c99@posting.google.com...

If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
2 November 2004
{HRI 20041102}
If Pilate would have had the wisdom of King Solomon
when facing the Criminal Mind and High Priest Caiaphas,
Oh, it's even dumber than I thought
[snip rest of crap]
Keep your bigotry to yourself, too.
Susan
 
 
"The New Prophets"
11/1/2004 11:33:50 PM


"Koos Nolst Trenite" wrote in message
If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
2 November 2004
{HRI 20041102}
If Pilate would have had the wisdom of King Solomon
Nothing would have changed.
If you read John Chapter 10, you will find that the so called Jews, are
going to stone Jesus. Read verse 33, the reason they are going to stone him
is for Blasphemy.
But in verse 39, Jesus escapes.
So, what do you have. They accuse Jesus of Blasphemy, and are going to stone
him.
But now go to John 18. Caiaphas says in verse 14, that it is expedient that
one man should die for the people.
Now, go to Matthew 26, verse 65. The high priest says that Jesus has
committed Blasphemy. So why do they not, take him out and stone him, as per
John chapter 10.
Now, Jesus appears before Pilate. But what is the question Pilate is asking.
It is not a religious question. Pilate asks "Are you the King of the Jews?"
And Jesus does not say he is, but neither does he deny it.
Matthew again, chapter 21, Jesus enters Jerusalem in verse 8, and a very
great multitude greet him, and call him the son of David.
Do you suppose, when Jesus enters Jerusalem. being greeted as the King of
the Jews, mayby the Roman spies were aware of this??
So, Jesus is tried. before Pilate. And Pilate supposedly gives way to the
priests.
But is Jesus then stoned, which was the Jewish penalty for Blasphemy, a
religious crime. NO!!
He is then crucified by Roman soldiers. Crucifixation is a Roman penalty,
for what?? Religious crimes, NO!! for sedition. For being a revolutionary.
And the Romans always put the crime on the cross. And what was Jesus crime,
"KING OF THE JEWS"
But who was King of the Jews, A Herod, a Roman puppet king.
So, Jesus enters Jerusalem, and is aclaimed King of the Jews, by a very
great multitude, and is crucified by Roman, who have a puppet king of the
Jews, and you don't think that he was killed for sedition.
CAN YOU READ??
Now go back to John 18. Why does Caiaphas say it is expedient for one man to
die, for the people?
Because they feared a revolt. So, better one man die, that a whole lot in a
revolt. Thus they turned Jesus over to Rome, to be tried for being a
revolutionary.
Hardly rocket science.
 
 
plato_world@yahoo.com (Leonardo Been)
11/1/2004 10:45:48 PM


o the "respondents" I remark - quite correctly:
' that they DO NOT EVEN WANT to have a viewpoint
'
' on what actually is Lawless and what is Lawful.
*(6)
To others, who are not irreparably destructive of mind, I would quote
' It is time that you start to face Criminal Minds - they make up
' only one percent of the population, and
'
' they are the ones that you pay every year trillions of
' dollars in defense and anti-terror measures, as well as
' your monthly medical insurance for, *(9)
'
' for your intensely insane *(10) and utter laziness in NOT
' detecting them and NOT understanding them. *(11)(12)
LtB
AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message news:<3b6f518d.0411011144.78ea3c99@posting.google.com>...
If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
2 November 2004
{HRI 20041102}
If Pilate would have had the wisdom of King Solomon
when facing the Criminal Mind and High Priest Caiaphas,
then Pilate would of course have arrested this High Priest, Caiaphas,
on the grounds of
accomplished incitement to Criminal acts and public
Injustice, *(1)
on the grounds of
proven and mortally false accusations against Jesus *(2)
on the grounds of
proven public incitement *(3) to executing not only an
innocent but also extremely valuable, contributive person.
And then, Pilate would of course have had the High Priest Caiaphas,
after arresting him,
publicly whipped in front of the very crowd
from which the High Priest Caiaphas was hiding
that not Jesus but that he, Caiaphas himself was the
Criminal Mind destroying their lives. *(4)
And then, by way of fulfilling the demand of Caiaphas that
"the people want to see someone put to death," *(5)
Pilate would of course have had the High Priest Caiaphas crucified.
Let this be a lesson - mutatis mutandis* - to entirely Lawless
law students and lawyers, and
to equally Lawless public prosecutors and judges, and
to equally Lawless diplomats and journalists and politicians
and civil servants
to the utter amazement and dismay of the alert public
and to the detriment of the concerned public,
- if we study only a little bit of history at all,
or if we read some 'Legal Expertise' in any field -
when the not at all imaginary case applies,
that such 'servants of the public' either are too cowardly
to exert the viewpoint, or
that they DO NOT EVEN WANT to have a viewpoint
on what actually is Lawless and what is Lawful. *(6)
And when they DO have a viewpoint on what IS Lawless and what IS
Law[ful]
- as most people do have very well a viewpoint on that,
after all it is native to the normal, non-Criminal mind
to have a conscience -
then why do they not want to exert that viewpoint that they do
have?
Solely and only because they are afraid to get hit by
Criminal Minds,
because Criminal Minds USE RULES AND LAWS AND
REGULATIONS AND PROTOCOLS
IN REVERSE.
Criminal Minds USE laws and regulations and rules
in order to ENFORCE THEIR DESTRUCTIVE IMPULSES ON
PEOPLE, on you and me, on everyone. *(7)
You can observe them trying to make rules (and
even laws) to that effect,
if you look at all around you or at the
news.
That is the easiest thing to observe in the society,
because 'applying rules or laws destructively' is already
done to children, at school, even at home, and so on and
on.
It is time that you start to face Criminal Minds - they make up
only one percent of the population, and
they are the ones that you pay every year trillions of
dollars in defense and anti-terror measures, as well as
your monthly medical insurance for, *(9)
for your intensely insane *(10) and utter laziness in NOT
detecting them and NOT understanding them. *(11)(12)
So, do now for yourself, and for your children, and also for me,
what I would suggest to the sane and caring minds amongst you.
As always, I inform you in accordance with
'The Trinity of Science.'
Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet
'Men of all nations came
to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
sent by all the kings of the world,
who had heard of his wisdom.'
1 Kings 4:34
_________
Footnotes:
(1) 'Detecting Criminal Minds By Their Intentional Omission Of Truth'
(19 August 2002 - Version 1.2)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0209090620.508a3d65@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(2) '"What Do You Think Of Jesus Christ?"' (28 April 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0404281110.7a214984@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(3) 'Criminal Minds Know Themselves Very Well They Are Lying'
{HRI 20040520-V1.3} (20 May 2004) (Version 1.3 at 21 May 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0405210602.753091d1@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(4) 'Only 'Zero Tolerance For Criminal Minds' Can Tolerate Them'
{HRI 20040205-V3.0-beta-1-p2}
(Preview 1 of Version 3.0 part two, on 30 Oct 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=989886.0410300713.ad5cce7@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(5) 'Standard Responses Of Criminal Minds' (9 May 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0305090914.75e26917@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(6) 'Tolerance Defined In Holland (The Netherlands)' (25 Dec 2002)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0301011116.402c5aaa@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(7) 'Only 'Zero Tolerance For Criminal Minds' Can Tolerate Them'
{HRI 20040205-V3.0-beta-1-p1}
(Preview 1 of Version 3.0 part one, on 26 Oct 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=989886.0410260209.2a9c9f18@posting.google.com&output=gplain
(8) 'Learning And Reading - Leonardo Da Vinci and Galileo Galilei had
an excellent command of reading and writing' {HRI 20040811}
(11 August 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0408
 
 
Christopher Green
11/2/2004 6:48:54 AM


On 1 Nov 2004 11:44:36 -0800, AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos
Nolst Trenite) wrote:
If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
he would never have been prefect of Judea. The Roman occupiers wanted
order, not justice. Pilate gave them what they paid him for, until
even the Romans were so appalled at his viciousness that they gave him
the sack.
--
Chris Green
 
 
bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill)
11/2/2004 1:19:24 AM


In article <m9beo0tf1tgn4hhuvbbtk4mr3fe664hj3s@4ax.com>, Christopher Green
<cj.green@att.net> wrote:
On 1 Nov 2004 11:44:36 -0800, AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos
Nolst Trenite) wrote:
he would never have been prefect of Judea. The Roman occupiers wanted
order, not justice. Pilate gave them what they paid him for, until
even the Romans were so appalled at his viciousness that they gave him
the sack.
Doesn't Daisy Fuentes do Pilates?
 
 
eugene@dynagen.co.za (Eugene Griessel)
11/2/2004 5:13:19 AM


AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message news:<3b6f518d.0411011144.78ea3c99@posting.google.com>...
If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
2 November 2004
{HRI 20041102}
If Pilate would have had the wisdom of King Solomon
when facing the Criminal Mind and High Priest Caiaphas,
And just which navies did Pilate, Solomon and Caiaphas serve in, pray
tell? If none then what in hell is this ridiculous post doing on
sci.military.naval?
 
 
Fred J. McCall
11/2/2004 3:17:23 PM


bkapaun@coldmail.com (Bill) wrote:
:In article <m9beo0tf1tgn4hhuvbbtk4mr3fe664hj3s@4ax.com>, Christopher Green
:<cj.green@att.net> wrote:
::>On 1 Nov 2004 11:44:36 -0800, AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com (Koos
:>Nolst Trenite) wrote:
:>
:>>If Pilate Had Dispensed Solomonic Justice...
:>
:>he would never have been prefect of Judea. The Roman occupiers wanted
:>order, not justice. Pilate gave them what they paid him for, until
:>even the Romans were so appalled at his viciousness that they gave him
:>the sack.
::Doesn't Daisy Fuentes do Pilates?
Starts to sound like one of 'those' movie titles - Daisy Fuentes Does
Ponteus Pilates....
 
 
plato_world@yahoo.com (Leonardo Been)
11/2/2004 9:09:30 PM


' It is time that you start to face Criminal Minds - they make up
only one percent of the population, and
they are the ones that you pay every year trillions of
dollars in defense and anti-terror measures, as well as
your monthly medical insurance for, *(9)
for your intensely insane *(10) and utter laziness in NOT
detecting them and NOT understanding them. *(11)(12)
So, do now for yourself, and for your children, and also for me,
what I would suggest to the sane and caring minds amongst you.
[...]
Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet
'Men of all nations came
to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
sent by all the kings of the world,
who had heard of his wisdom.'
1 Kings 4:34'
___________
Quoted from:
'If Pilate Had Given Solomonic Justice...' {HRI 20041102-V1.01}
(2 November 2004 - Version 1.01 on 2 Nov 2004)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0411012231.43fcce6@posting.google.com&output=gplain
 
 
Admiral Crunch
11/6/2004 8:30:33 AM


In article <yJzhd.48388$df2.14246@edtnps89>,
"The New Prophets" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote:
If you read John Chapter 10, you will find that the so called Jews, are
going to stone Jesus.
So, instead of a cross in churches, you'd have a pile of rocks.
 
 
"robert j. kolker"
11/6/2004 4:43:52 PM


Admiral Crunch wrote:
So, instead of a cross in churches, you'd have a pile of rocks.
Or Christians wearing little electric chairs around their necks.
Bob Kolker
 
 
"robert j. kolker"
11/6/2004 6:18:47 PM


robert j. kolker wrote:
Admiral Crunch wrote:
Or Christians wearing little electric chairs around their necks.
Whoops. I should have written, Christians wearing little pebbles on
chains around their necks. Instead of making the sign of the cross, the
would do the motion of a right handed overhand throw.
Bob Kolker
 
 
"Nicholas Smid"
12/14/2004 8:57:03 PM




"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:bA8jd.372436$D%.213118@attbi_s51...

robert j. kolker wrote:
Whoops. I should have written, Christians wearing little pebbles on
chains around their necks. Instead of making the sign of the cross, the
would do the motion of a right handed overhand throw.
Or just imagine if it had been say the Turks, so they wear a little
impailing stake, ouch.
But I though a large part of the problem was under Roman law local courts
couldn't impose a death sentince, so they had to come up with something the
Romans would off him for, solving their problem and forfilling prophacy in
one neat move, opps.
Mind you given his apparent problems with them Pilate would probably have
loved an excuse to nail the priests up righ along side this crazy Gallalean,
but that would have been too much trouble.
 
 
Anthony Buckland
12/14/2004 10:18:28 AM


Nicholas Smid wrote:


"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:bA8jd.372436$D%.213118@attbi_s51...


Or just imagine if it had been say the Turks, so they wear a little
impailing stake, ouch.
But I though a large part of the problem was under Roman law local courts
couldn't impose a death sentince, so they had to come up with something the
Romans would off him for, solving their problem and forfilling prophacy in
one neat move, opps.

...
So reconcile that Roman policy with the story of the woman taken in
adultery, who was about to be stoned to death. Did local customs,
even involving killing, apply in some cases but not others? Say, in
matters of moral but not criminal offenses?
Anyway, if he had been stoned, there would be learned discussions
about how his telling Peter that he was the rock on which the church
would be built was foreshadowing of his own death and linked in
indescribable (but nevertheless described at great length) ways with
life, death and Earth (and thence Heaven and Hell). Altars even more
massively rock-like than some are anyway. No cross but maybe a
big picture of Jesus holding the first rock, which he miraculously
caught and then made the subject of a brief sermon before the crowd
got their bearings back and started stoning in earnest. Bloodstained
(?) stones of dubious provenance in elaborate containers in churches.
Dome Of The Rock (oops, wrong religion). Mount Ararat, Mount
Sinai, Mount of Olives, Temple Mount ... rocks, rocks, rocks ...
 
 
"Rob"
12/20/2004 7:05:32 PM




"Nicholas Smid" <smid2n@clear.net.nz> wrote in message
news:41be9e5f@clear.net.nz...



"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:bA8jd.372436$D%.213118@attbi_s51...

 
 
"Rob"
12/20/2004 7:06:41 PM




"Anthony Buckland" <buckland@direct.ca> wrote in message
news:O-KdnUKQWb66syLcRVn-oQ@look.ca...

Nicholas Smid wrote:
...
So reconcile that Roman policy with the story of the woman taken in
adultery, who was about to be stoned to death. Did local customs,
even involving killing, apply in some cases but not others? Say, in
matters of moral but not criminal offenses?
Anyway, if he had been stoned, there would be learned discussions
about how his telling Peter that he was the rock on which the church
would be built was foreshadowing of his own death and linked in
indescribable (but nevertheless described at great length) ways with
life, death and Earth (and thence Heaven and Hell). Altars even more
massively rock-like than some are anyway. No cross but maybe a
big picture of Jesus holding the first rock, which he miraculously
caught and then made the subject of a brief sermon before the crowd
got their bearings back and started stoning in earnest. Bloodstained
(?) stones of dubious provenance in elaborate containers in churches.
Dome Of The Rock (oops, wrong religion). Mount Ararat, Mount
Sinai, Mount of Olives, Temple Mount ... rocks, rocks, rocks ...
The birth of rock and roll
 
 
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