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New York Times
September 8, 2004
Missing in Action
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
President Bush claims that in the fall of 1972, he fulfilled his Air
National Guard duties at a base in Alabama. But Bob Mintz was there -
and he is sure Mr. Bush wasn't.
Plenty of other officers have said they also don't recall that Mr.
Bush ever showed up for drills at the base. What's different about Mr.
Mintz is that he remembers actively looking for Mr. Bush and never
finding him.
Mr. Mintz says he had heard that Mr. Bush - described as a young Texas
pilot with political influence - had transferred to the base. He heard
that Mr. Bush was also a bachelor, so he was looking forward to
partying together. He's confident that he'd remember if Mr. Bush had
shown up.
"I'm sure I would have seen him," Mr. Mintz said yesterday. "It's a
small unit, and you couldn't go in or out without being seen. It was
too close a space." There were only 25 to 30 pilots there, and Mr.
Bush - a U.N. ambassador's son who had dated Tricia Nixon - would have
been particularly memorable.
I've steered clear until now of how Mr. Bush evaded service in Vietnam
because I thought other issues were more important. But if Bush
supporters attack John Kerry for his conduct after he volunteered for
dangerous duty in Vietnam, it's only fair to scrutinize Mr. Bush's
behavior.
It's not a pretty sight. Mr. Bush was saved from active duty, and
perhaps Vietnam, only after the speaker of the Texas House intervened
for him because of his family's influence.
Mr. Bush signed up in May 1968 for a six-year commitment, justifying
the $1 million investment in training him as a pilot. But after less
than two years, Mr. Bush abruptly stopped flying, didn't show up for
his physical and asked to transfer to Alabama. He never again flew a
military plane.
Mr. Bush insists that after moving to Alabama in 1972, he served out
his obligation at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery
(although he says he doesn't remember what he did there). The only
officer there who recalls Mr. Bush was produced by the White House -
he remembers Mr. Bush vividly, but at times when even Mr. Bush
acknowledges he wasn't there.
In contrast, Mr. Mintz is a compelling witness. Describing himself as
"a very strong military man," he served in the military from 1959 to
1984. A commercial pilot, he is now a Democrat but was a Republican
for most of his life, and he is not a Bush-hater. When I asked him
whether the National Guard controversy raises questions about Mr.
Bush's credibility, Mr. Mintz said only, "That's up to the American
people to decide."
In his first interview with a national news organization, Mr. Mintz
recalled why he remembered Mr. Bush as a no-show: "Young bachelors
were kind of sparse. For that reason, I was looking for someone to
haul around with." Why speak out now? He said, "After a lot of
soul-searching, I just feel it's my duty to stand up and do the right
thing."
Another particularly credible witness is Leonard Walls, a retired Air
Force colonel who was then a full-time pilot instructor at the base.
"I was there pretty much every day," he said, adding: "I never saw
him, and I was there continually from July 1972 to July 1974." Mr.
Walls, who describes himself as nonpolitical, added, "If he had been
there more than once, I would have seen him."
The sheer volume of missing documents, and missing recollections,
strongly suggests to me that Mr. Bush blew off his Guard obligations.
It's not fair to say Mr. Bush deserted. My sense is that he (like some
others at the time) neglected his National Guard obligations, did the
bare minimum to avoid serious trouble and was finally let off by
commanders who considered him a headache but felt it wasn't worth the
hassle to punish him.
"The record clearly and convincingly proves he did not fulfill the
obligations he incurred when he enlisted in the Air National Guard,"
writes Gerald Lechliter, a retired Army colonel who has made the most
meticulous examination I've seen of Mr. Bush's records (I've posted
the full 32-page analysis here). Mr. Lechliter adds that Mr. Bush
received unauthorized or fraudulent payments that breached National
Guard rules, according to the documents that the White House itself
released.
Does this disqualify Mr. Bush from being commander in chief? No. But
it should disqualify the Bush campaign from sliming the military
service of a rival who still carries shrapnel from Vietnam in his
thigh.
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Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
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<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
It is NOW!
WS
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<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
But the democraps are trying to hide his war crimes, and his lies about his
medals.
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Bush's time is MORE questionable than Kerry's.
<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
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Dana, you are a typical, whiney, rightwing pissant.
<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
But the democraps are trying to hide his war crimes, and his lies about
his
medals.
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WTC 3,000 DEAD !
Kerry brought his phony war crap in, not Bush.
Bush's time is MORE questionable than Kerry's.
<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
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Oh Dave, I <PLONKED> you.
<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:nsSdnaItjI89SaLcRVn-ow@adelphia.com...
WTC 3,000 DEAD !
Kerry brought his phony war crap in, not Bush.
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Huh ?
<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
But the democraps are trying to hide his war crimes, and his lies about
his
medals.
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Dana, you are a typical, whiney, rightwing pissant.
And you sleep with your mother.
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
his
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<JP@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39GdnQSGPubaQaLcRVn-vw@adelphia.com...
Huh ?
They have to divert attention away from Kerry. Hence the attack against Bush
on a non-issue.
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
his
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:53:22 -0400, "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
Bush's time is MORE questionable than Kerry's.
Then that makes you a full fledged idiot.
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:39:36 GMT, "Dana" <dems@losers.com> wrote:
And you sleep with your mother.
No he tried but even his mother wanted nothing to do with him.
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JP@yahoo.com wrote:
WTC 3,000 DEAD !
Bu$h Lies = 1000 DEAD U$ Soldiers
Bu$h Lies = 10,000s DEAD Iraqi / Afghani Civilians
Fuck you you neo-con fascist piece of #@($.
news:SIadnXS6N8_F5aLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com...
Bush's military time is not in question, Kerry's is !
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Hey, this is getting good !
And you sleep with your mother.
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JP@yahoo.com wrote:
Bu$h Lies = 1000 DEAD U$ Soldiers
Bu$h Lies = 10,000s DEAD Iraqi / Afghani Civilians
Fuck you you neo-con fascist piece of #@($.
<plonk>
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http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx 'Nuff Said for President Bush
Military Service in the TX-ANG. Now, check out Kerry's fans at:
http://www.cpusa.org I wonder when Kerry will sign his "Standard Form
180", so we can see ALL of his military records, just not the ones he wants
to show????
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:53:22 -0400, "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
Then that makes you a full fledged idiot.
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Why did it take this long for mopre (NOT "all") of Bush's records to
materialize? Maybe because they reinforce the fact that Bush is a lying,
coke-head coward, who should have been court-martialled and shot at down if
not for his powerful daddykins?
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Ted Kerin wrote:
Why did it take this long for mopre (NOT "all") of Bush's records to
materialize? Maybe because they reinforce the fact that Bush is a lying,
coke-head coward, who should have been court-martialled and shot at down if
not for his powerful daddykins?
'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake /// 32-year-old documents
produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard service may have
been forged using a current word processing program // typed using a
proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript
font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program.
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How about "NONE OF THE ABOVE"!!!!!! But I will go for being a GREAT,
DEDICATED ANG member!!!!! http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx Don't
like it?? Tough!!! "Nuff Said"!!
New York Times
September 8, 2004
Missing in Action
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
President Bush claims that in the fall of 1972, he fulfilled his Air
National Guard duties at a base in Alabama. But Bob Mintz was there -
and he is sure Mr. Bush wasn't.
Plenty of other officers have said they also don't recall that Mr.
Bush ever showed up for drills at the base. What's different about Mr.
Mintz is that he remembers actively looking for Mr. Bush and never
finding him.
Mr. Mintz says he had heard that Mr. Bush - described as a young Texas
pilot with political influence - had transferred to the base. He heard
that Mr. Bush was also a bachelor, so he was looking forward to
partying together. He's confident that he'd remember if Mr. Bush had
shown up.
"I'm sure I would have seen him," Mr. Mintz said yesterday. "It's a
small unit, and you couldn't go in or out without being seen. It was
too close a space." There were only 25 to 30 pilots there, and Mr.
Bush - a U.N. ambassador's son who had dated Tricia Nixon - would have
been particularly memorable.
I've steered clear until now of how Mr. Bush evaded service in Vietnam
because I thought other issues were more important. But if Bush
supporters attack John Kerry for his conduct after he volunteered for
dangerous duty in Vietnam, it's only fair to scrutinize Mr. Bush's
behavior.
It's not a pretty sight. Mr. Bush was saved from active duty, and
perhaps Vietnam, only after the speaker of the Texas House intervened
for him because of his family's influence.
Mr. Bush signed up in May 1968 for a six-year commitment, justifying
the $1 million investment in training him as a pilot. But after less
than two years, Mr. Bush abruptly stopped flying, didn't show up for
his physical and asked to transfer to Alabama. He never again flew a
military plane.
Mr. Bush insists that after moving to Alabama in 1972, he served out
his obligation at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery
(although he says he doesn't remember what he did there). The only
officer there who recalls Mr. Bush was produced by the White House -
he remembers Mr. Bush vividly, but at times when even Mr. Bush
acknowledges he wasn't there.
In contrast, Mr. Mintz is a compelling witness. Describing himself as
"a very strong military man," he served in the military from 1959 to
1984. A commercial pilot, he is now a Democrat but was a Republican
for most of his life, and he is not a Bush-hater. When I asked him
whether the National Guard controversy raises questions about Mr.
Bush's credibility, Mr. Mintz said only, "That's up to the American
people to decide."
In his first interview with a national news organization, Mr. Mintz
recalled why he remembered Mr. Bush as a no-show: "Young bachelors
were kind of sparse. For that reason, I was looking for someone to
haul around with." Why speak out now? He said, "After a lot of
soul-searching, I just feel it's my duty to stand up and do the right
thing."
Another particularly credible witness is Leonard Walls, a retired Air
Force colonel who was then a full-time pilot instructor at the base.
"I was there pretty much every day," he said, adding: "I never saw
him, and I was there continually from July 1972 to July 1974." Mr.
Walls, who describes himself as nonpolitical, added, "If he had been
there more than once, I would have seen him."
The sheer volume of missing documents, and missing recollections,
strongly suggests to me that Mr. Bush blew off his Guard obligations.
It's not fair to say Mr. Bush deserted. My sense is that he (like some
others at the time) neglected his National Guard obligations, did the
bare minimum to avoid serious trouble and was finally let off by
commanders who considered him a headache but felt it wasn't worth the
hassle to punish him.
"The record clearly and convincingly proves he did not fulfill the
obligations he incurred when he enlisted in the Air National Guard,"
writes Gerald Lechliter, a retired Army colonel who has made the most
meticulous examination I've seen of Mr. Bush's records (I've posted
the full 32-page analysis here). Mr. Lechliter adds that Mr. Bush
received unauthorized or fraudulent payments that breached National
Guard rules, according to the documents that the White House itself
released.
Does this disqualify Mr. Bush from being commander in chief? No. But
it should disqualify the Bush campaign from sliming the military
service of a rival who still carries shrapnel from Vietnam in his
thigh.
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Hey Shit-fer-Brains. You don't even know how to change the @$#*ing
date on your computer. Why should we believe your lies???
Regards,
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:13:21 -0700, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
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Charlie Wolf wrote:
Hey Shit-fer-Brains. You don't even know how to change the
@$#*ing date on your computer.
You ain't the sharpest tack in the box, are you moron?
Why should we believe your
lies???
You suck down the Bu$h lies so gleefully:
http://snipurl.com/9ack
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:58:18 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
Charlie Wolf wrote:
You ain't the sharpest tack in the box, are you moron?
I'm a lot smarter than you.
You support terrorists murders and rapists.
But - don't go away. Every time you post on a newsgroup, you convince
people to vote against Kerry. Keep it up.
Regards,
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Charlie Wolf wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:58:18 -0600, "S. O. Damocles"
<so@damocl.es> wrote:
I'm a lot smarter than you.
Sure you are Chucky ---
You support terrorists murders and rapists.
No, I don't support the U$ troops.
But - don't go away. Every time you post on a newsgroup,
you convince people to vote against Kerry. Keep it up.
Keep dreaming, sucker.
Regards,
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for
the production of biological weapons." -- President Bush, Sept. 12, 2002.
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction." -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002.
.. "The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons.
It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.
.. "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet
of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that would be used to disperse
chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq
is exploring ways of using the UAVs for missions targeting the United
States." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.
.. "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons
program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear
scientists, a group he calls his 'nuclear mujahideen' -- his nuclear holy
warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at
sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past."-- Bush, Oct.
7, 2002.
.. "We know for a fact there are weapons there." -- White House spokesman Ari
Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003.
.. "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials
to produce as much as 500 tons of Sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." --
Bush, Jan. 28, 2003.
.. "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more." -- Secretary of State Colin
Powell, Feb. 5, 2003.
.. "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
weapons ever devised." -- Bush, March 17, 2003.
.. "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly." -- Fleischer, March 21, 2003.
.. "I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction." -- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board, March 23, 2003.
.. "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and
Baghdad." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003.
.. "We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so." -- Bush, May 3,
2003.
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You are a proven supporter of terrorists. And you also support Kerry.
Good reason to vote Republican.
Regards,
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:04:13 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
You support terrorists murders and rapists.
No, I don't support the U$ troops.
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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:13:21 -0700, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
New York Times
September 8, 2004
Missing in Action
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Dud issue. Move along.
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Day late and a dollar short loser. Just like the rest of your left-liberal
limpdick loser cronies. You losers just don't seem to get it. You LOST. It's
OVER. Get used to it. MOVE ON. Better luck next time. Not.
Now. Do go @$#* yourself. Up your ass with fiberglass. In your hole with a
ten foot Pole.(Or two five foot Swedes, I ain't racist.) In your eye by the
old pig sty. In your ear with fishing gear. Up your nose with a garden hose.
Get the picture loser?
--
Don Thompson
Remmy sez,
Count de Monet.
Unless, of course, you are Baroque.
left-liberal loser horse#@($ snipped
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S. O. Damocles wrote:
New York Times
September 8, 2004
Missing in Action
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
President Bush claims that in the fall of 1972, he fulfilled his Air
National Guard duties at a base in Alabama. But Bob Mintz was there -
and he is sure Mr. Bush wasn't.
Does it really matter any more, SOD? He's stolen his last election,
and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it.
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"Ken Smith" <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:418A7B3F.3080700@it.com...
S. O. Damocles wrote:
Does it really matter any more, SOD? He's stolen his last election, and
there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it.
Nothing whatever. You can always keep up the lying though. That always goes
over big with the American voter. American voters love liars. Not.
--
Don Thompson
Remmy sez,
Count de Monet.
Unless, of course, you are Baroque.
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