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First exit polls give Kerry the edge in battleground states
From Roland Watson in Washington
JOHN KERRY appeared to have the edge in the election over President
Bush, according to early exit polls.
They showed the Democratic challenger had his nose ahead in the
biggest battleground prizes of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. He looked well
placed to win New Hampshire, won by President Bush four years ago. However,
polls across the country were still open and analysts cautioned that the result
would be close.
The figures emerged as a deeply divided nation flocked to the polls
in huge numbers.
Early polling data suggested voters saw the election as being about
more than national security. A lot of Americans came to vote on the economy,
said the pollster Frank Luntz. These Americans left voting for John Kerry.
Voters besieged polling stations throughout the battleground states,
braving snow and rain well before dawn amid predictions of a record turnout. One
in seven said they had not voted in 2000.
Mr Bush said that he was optimistic, but looked tense and sounded
fatalistic after he voted in the fire station in Crawford, Texas. Ive given it
my all. I feel calm, he said.
Mr Kerry vowed to take the US to a better place. He said: Im
very confident that I have made the case for change, the case for new
leadership, a fresh start.
Mr Bush was polling well in West Virginia and Arkansas, according to
the exit polls, states on which Mr Kerry had at one time had his eye. Mr Kerry
had his nose ahead in Wisconsin, New Mexico and Iowa, all states won narrowly by
Mr Gore in 2000.
Four years after the debacle of Floridas recount, officials in some
states, including Florida, reported sporadic problems with new electronic voting
screens, which were broken or did not work. A memory card in one machine failed
to count 13,000 early ballots. They were being fed into another machine.
One polling station in New Jersey was temporarily closed after
someone burst in, threw a white substance into the air and fled. It turned out
to be salt.
With thousands of lawyers, activists, volunteers and overseas
monitors all on the streets, the spectre of legal intervention was ever present.
But little dampened the determination of voters who last went to the
presidential polls in very different, carefree circumstances.
Many across the mid-West battleground faced wet weather, but arrived
with umbrellas, raincoats and chairs, ready to queue to participate in the first
presidential vote since the September 11 attacks and the first against a
backdrop of war since 1972.
In Cleveland, volunteers had umbrellas and rain ponchos to keep
voters dry. Other inducements were offered in arguably the most important
election in living memory. Parents were offered free daycare, elderly voters a
free lift to polling stations and others free cookies, tacos and T-shirts.
Both sides claimed to have a million volunteers. Ten thousand
Republican operatives in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, were running a knock and drag
operation to get out the vote.
The Supreme Court, which decided the last presidential election 37
days after polling finished, was called into play even before voting started. It
ruled that Republicans could challenge in person the eligibility of voters
inside Ohio polling stations. Tensions ran high throughout the key swing state.
One Democrat official was ejected from a polling station by a screaming poll
judge before being allowed back into the church basement.
Both candidates campaigned to the end. Mr Bush stopped in Columbus,
Ohio, without which no Republican has reached the White House, to rally the
Republican faithful one last time. He expressed the dread of millions that US
democracy was in danger of being dragged out and tarnished for the second time
in four years.
Mr Bush said: I think its very important that it end tonight. The
world watches our great democracy function, and there would be nothing better
for our system for the election to be conclusively over tonight.
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First exit polls give Kerry the edge in battleground states
From Roland Watson in Washington
JOHN KERRY appeared to have the edge in the election over
President
Bush, according to early exit polls.
They showed the Democratic challenger had his nose ahead in
the
biggest battleground prizes of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. He looked
well
placed to win New Hampshire, won by President Bush four years ago.
However,
polls across the country were still open and analysts cautioned that the
result
would be close.
The figures emerged as a deeply divided nation flocked to the
polls
in huge numbers.
Early polling data suggested voters saw the election as being
about
more than national security. "A lot of Americans came to vote on the
economy,"
said the pollster Frank Luntz. "These Americans left voting for John
Kerry."
Voters besieged polling stations throughout the battleground
states,
braving snow and rain well before dawn amid predictions of a record
turnout. One
in seven said they had not voted in 2000.
Mr Bush said that he was optimistic, but looked tense and
sounded
fatalistic after he voted in the fire station in Crawford, Texas. "I've
given it
my all. I feel calm," he said.
Mr Kerry vowed to take the US "to a better place". He said:
"I'm
very confident that I have made the case for change, the case for new
leadership, a fresh start."
Mr Bush was polling well in West Virginia and Arkansas,
according to
the exit polls, states on which Mr Kerry had at one time had his eye. Mr
Kerry
had his nose ahead in Wisconsin, New Mexico and Iowa, all states won
narrowly by
Mr Gore in 2000.
Four years after the debacle of Florida's recount, officials
in some
states, including Florida, reported sporadic problems with new electronic
voting
screens, which were broken or did not work. A memory card in one machine
failed
to count 13,000 early ballots. They were being fed into another machine.
One polling station in New Jersey was temporarily closed after
someone burst in, threw a white substance into the air and fled. It turned
out
to be salt.
With thousands of lawyers, activists, volunteers and overseas
monitors all on the streets, the spectre of legal intervention was ever
present.
But little dampened the determination of voters who last went to the
presidential polls in very different, carefree circumstances.
Many across the mid-West battleground faced wet weather, but
arrived
with umbrellas, raincoats and chairs, ready to queue to participate in the
first
presidential vote since the September 11 attacks and the first against a
backdrop of war since 1972.
In Cleveland, volunteers had umbrellas and rain ponchos to
keep
voters dry. Other inducements were offered in arguably the most important
election in living memory. Parents were offered free daycare, elderly
voters a
free lift to polling stations and others free cookies, tacos and T-shirts.
Both sides claimed to have a million volunteers. Ten thousand
Republican operatives in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, were running a "knock and
drag"
operation to get out the vote.
The Supreme Court, which decided the last presidential
election 37
days after polling finished, was called into play even before voting
started. It
ruled that Republicans could challenge in person the eligibility of voters
inside Ohio polling stations. Tensions ran high throughout the key swing
state.
One Democrat official was ejected from a polling station by a screaming
poll
judge before being allowed back into the church basement.
Both candidates campaigned to the end. Mr Bush stopped in
Columbus,
Ohio, without which no Republican has reached the White House, to rally
the
Republican faithful one last time. He expressed the dread of millions that
US
democracy was in danger of being dragged out and tarnished for the second
time
in four years.
Mr Bush said: "I think it's very important that it end
tonight. The
world watches our great democracy function, and there would be nothing
better
for our system for the election to be conclusively over tonight."
Read it and weep Florida so far.. The Panhandle results not in yet. Bush
gets landslide in Florida..
George W. Bush (i) Rep 2,147,727 - 53 percent
John F. Kerry Dem 1,859,505 - 46 percent
Ralph Nader RP 19,019 - 0 percent
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Kerry's antiwar antics HELPED the ENEMY
A group of former POW's said Kerry's statements were
regularly used by their North Vietnamese captors in
their efforts to break down the POW's morale
and sap their will to resist.
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Sweet Brainless Lamer wrote:
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Kerry's antiwar antics HELPED the ENEMY
A group of former POW's said Kerry's statements were
regularly used by their North Vietnamese captors in
their efforts to break down the POW's morale
and sap their will to resist.
If you knew anything about the Reds, you'd know that they
would use ANYTHING against our PWs. Your argument, such as
it is, amounts to "we should give up free debate." How
convenient for you, to have an excuse to not let anyone
disagree with your fascist beliefs.
If you were an American, you would blame HANOI for what it
did to our people. Now go take your thorazine.
Lou P. Garrew, at your service!
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Too bad he wasn't able to hold on to Ohio and Florida.
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Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Heh, no reply needed... Kerry was DEFEATED...
Hello McFly..
Too bad he wasn't able to hold on to Ohio and Florida.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Too bad he wasn't able to hold on to Ohio and Florida.
Corrupt public officials + paperless voting systems = election fraud
on a massive scale. Welcome to Flori-DUH.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Corrupt public officials + paperless voting systems = election fraud
on a massive scale. Welcome to Flori-DUH.
Do me and the Republican Party a favor Ken?
Run with that for the next four years.
Get the idea to Moore and see if he'll make one of his patented
fakeumentaries about it...
Say it, repeat it again and again every chance you get.
That way everyone of the 59 million people who voted for Bush can
continually be reminded what a bunch of crack pots and loonies the
political left are and they can be completely driven off the map once
and for all.
We'd really appreciate if you could help us out with that.
--
"This year, the Democrats abandoned their principles, implying either
that they don't trust the America people to appreciate their message,
or that they don't trust their message. Democrats aren't willing to
take risks, but they are willing to choose someone whom they want to
mislead the public. For that alone, they deserve to lose, and I think
they know it."
Debra J. Saunders - San Francisco Chronicle 08-03-2004
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Oh Me Oh My wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Do me and the Republican Party a favor Ken?
Run with that for the next four years.
I think it's not just important, but vitally so, to the future of our
Republic.
It seems that if we really wanted to, we could construct an
electronic voting system that was essentially foolproof. Voters could
be tabulated on individual machines, producing a hardcopy that voter
could review for accuracy before feeding it into an optical scanner.
The electronically generated results could be cross-checked against both
machine totals and op-scan totals, building internal controls that could
warm a CPA's heart -- thereby instilling voter confidence in the
integrity of the vote.
But that's not the voting system we have. Designed, built, and
tested by partisan Republicans, it doesn't produce a paper trail, and
features closed-source software which was never made open to public
review. It was an engraved invitation to Republican election fraud --
and Diebold's CEO promised to "deliver Ohio for Bush." Thus it is not
surprising that in Jeb Bush's Florida, where exit polls called it a dead
heat and even a win for Senator Kerry, President Bush won the state by
an astonishingly comfortable 5%. And when examining the heavily
Democratic counties using the Bush junta's e-voting system, Kerry
consistently performed WAY below expectations. Coincidence? Not with
the Bush junta.
The talking heads speak constantly about the divide by the people who
live by faith, and those who live by reason and evidence. If ANYONE out
there believes that this "election" was entirely above-board, they have
more faith [in the Mark Twain sense] than I could ever *hope* to muster.
If we can't even produce fair, honest, and transparent democracy here
at home, how can we even hope to export it to the Middle East? Welcome
to what used to be the greatest example of democracy on the face of the
earth. India's elections are more transparent.
Get the idea to Moore and see if he'll make one of his patented
fakeumentaries about it...
The idea's already out there, and America's Third-World voting system
has been thoroughly studied by journalist Greg Palast among many others.
A California court refused to certify Diebold's rigged machines, and
it cannot be said that they did so on a whim.
Say it, repeat it again and again every chance you get.
That way everyone of the 59 million people who voted for Bush
Whose intelligence and even sanity can be justly questioned, given
the way he has screwed up Iraq.
can continually be reminded what a bunch of crack pots and loonies the
political left are and they can be completely driven off the map once
and for all.
We'd really appreciate if you could help us out with that.
I'd much prefer it if you offered a thoughtful and considered
response -- but the typical BushKultie is simply incapable of such a feat.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Oh Me Oh My wrote:
I think it's not just important, but vitally so, to the future of our
Republic.
Is it relevant to mention here that Ken Smith was once asked to submit to a
psychological examination by the Examiners' Board of the Colorado Bar
Association? I'm sure that Ken will disagree, but in the interests of full
disclosure, others might find such information useful here.
Watch Ken go ballistic against me now. (And his "peanut gallery" of admirers
can be counted on to join in.)
[Ken's delusions about Republican conspiracies elided.]
The talking heads speak constantly about the divide by the people who live
by faith, and those who live by reason and evidence.
This is where the nub of Ken's objections really lie. Ken, please share your
thoughts about Jesus for the benefit of those readers who are not already
acquainted with your ramblings. Or else, readers may look at this url:
<http://tinyurl.com/4s5yk>
If ANYONE out there believes that this "election" was entirely above-board,
they have more faith [in the Mark Twain sense] than I could ever *hope* to
muster.
Because, to be sure, Ken espresses NO faith of the sort that is required to
please God.
If we can't even produce fair, honest, and transparent democracy here at
home, how can we even hope to export it to the Middle East? Welcome to
what used to be the greatest example of democracy on the face of the earth.
India's elections are more transparent.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, in Ken's mind, this was a STOLEN election, and Ken
is apparently absolutely certain of it.
Get the idea to Moore and see if he'll make one of his patented
fakeumentaries about it ...
The idea's already out there, and America's Third-World voting system has
been thoroughly studied by journalist Greg Palast among many others.
Greg Palast (a reporter for the Guardian [of London], and author of _The_
_Best_Democracy_Money_Can_Buy_) is a leftist kook not far beyond Micheal
Moore territory. He DEFENDED Dan Rather, for crying out loud!
A California court refused to certify Diebold's rigged
Innuendo.
machines,
That was Kevin Shelley, California Secretary of State, a San Francisco
leftoid democrat, who had earlier refused to certify them. But such machines
are now being used in California -- apparently with few problems.
and it cannot be said that they did so on a whim.
Why not?
Say it, repeat it again and again every chance you get.
That way everyone of the 59 million people who voted for Bush
Whose intelligence and even sanity can be justly questioned, given the way
he has screwed up Iraq.
So why is it that Ken Smith's psychological fitness to practise law cannot
justly be questioned by the Colorado Bar Examiners' Board? (Especially in
light of these ramblings here?)
can continually be reminded what a bunch of crack pots and loonies the
political left are and they can be completely driven off the map once
and for all.
We'd really appreciate if you could help us out with that.
I'd much prefer it if you offered a thoughtful and considered response --
but the typical BushKultie is simply incapable of such a feat.
For Ken Smith, "thoughtful and considered response" == "agrees with Ken
Smith".
BTW, I wonder why it is that all the objections to the Diebold voting
machines seem to come almost exclusively from the extreme left?
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Is it relevant to mention here that Ken Smith was once asked to submit to a
psychological examination by the Examiners' Board of the Colorado Bar
Association?
No. It is called an abusive ad hominem logical fallacy, directed at
the man, as opposed to the argument. [You did have an elementary logic
class in college, didn't you?]
Fox News and former Clinton pollster Dick Morris just wrote that exit
polls are almost never wrong. The New York Daily News, among other news
outlets (it's what came up first using Google) is reporting that, while
exit polls were accurate in those states which use conventional voting
systems, those using e-voting were *all* wrong. And they all predicted
a Kerry win in swing states that Bush won (sometimes, by large margins).
Even *you* should be smart enough to do the math.
Colorado's experience is particularly troubling. We (the 'Pubs, and
I am a functioning part of the Party machinery) lost both the state
house and the senate ... in what appeared on its face to be a Democratic
tide. The exit polls called Colorado for Kerry, which seems to confirm
that as a reading of the mood of our electorate. Kerry/Edwards signs
littered the landscape. But yet, Bush carried the state by an
astonishing seven points?!?
Black-box voting. ES&S. Chuck Hagel's company. No audit trail.
Ken Smith doesn't contend that "To screw up one exit poll is unheard
of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how
pollsters could be that incompetent" -- Dick Morris does. Ken Smith
doesn't assert that exit polls are so reliable that "they are used as
guides to the relative honesty of elections in Third World countries" --
Dick Morris does. And Ken Smith didn't conclude that "Exit polls cannot
be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect
foul play" -- DICK MORRIS DID!!!
There are two and only two possibilities: Either the vote totals were
tampered with, or the exit polls were. And if exit polls were tampered
with, there would be no correlation between the discrepancies and states
employing e-voting systems. Therefore, the vote totals were more likely
tampered with. Q.E.D.
(Has Dick Morris ever been asked to submit to a psychological exam by
the Examiners' Board of the Colorado Bar Association? And if he had, it
would necessarily affect his analysis in *exactly* what way?
Dick Morris was caught in a sex scandal involving a foot fetish and a
prostitute, but that doesn't invalidate his analysis. And if exit polls
are valid checks on Third World elections, they ought to be every bit as
valid in this Third World #@($hole.)
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Corrupt public officials + paperless voting systems = election fraud on a
massive scale. Welcome to Flori-DUH.
Do me and the Republican Party a favor Ken?
Is it relevant to mention here that Ken Smith was once asked to submit to a
psychological examination by the Examiners' Board of the Colorado Bar
Association?
If it is, it is also relevant to mention here that Ted Kaldis has
been given a preliminary evaluation by a practicing psychologist, and
she has recommended that he seek psychiatric help immediately?
Ted, I don't think people really want to hear your personal obsession
with me. It would be nice if, one day, we could *actually* engage in an
honest discussion of the issues without you resorting to your mucking up
the works by indulging in your personal vendetta.
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Lindsay wrote:
From: Kent Wills compuelf@gmail.com
Ken Smith wrote:
Ted's conspiracy theories -- especially, the one about the hit man -- are
so bizarre as to identify him as a crank, but I'd imagine that we've
gotten there already. :)
So tell us again, why is it that you're not a lawyer in Colorado?
Obsess much?
Ted has displayed, and is displaying, traits consistent with obsessive
compulsive disorder. His life revolves around Ken and Ken's dealings with the
Colorado Bar. How long has it been since Ken first tried to gain admittance
with the Colorado Bar? People not directly involved in the case would have let
go the matter and continued on with their lives. Ted's posts indicate an
inability to do so.
His tendency towards stalking is also evident in his driving clear across
Melbourne, Australia, to take a picture of an advisory's primary residence and
place it on a web site. This fits into the intimidation aspect of the
stalker's mind set perfectly. Had Ted been able to stay longer, he may well
have found many more opportunities to just "happen to be in the neighborhood."
Yes, Ted does want, or at least did want, people to think he's Australian. He
once boasted about how natives thought he was native. No native is going to
confuse an Australian accent with an American one. Indeed, no tourist is going
to confuse the two either. He had to impersonate a native accent to pull off
this ruse. The fact that natives were fooled indicates the degree to which Ted
studied the accent. The sole reason to do this would be to make one's self seem
native.
Ted most certainly has issues that he would do well to have address with the
aid of a competent mental health professional.
Ted, if you'd like, I could look up some psychologists in your area that could
help you discover and deal with the underlying cause of your problems.
The E-mail address I'm posting with is temporary. If you wish for me to assist
you, you will need to ask for it here. Kent will let me know if you accept my
offer.
Lin
Kent and Lindsay, I do appreciate the input, coming as it does from a
practicing professional. Ted's persistence in this matter goes WAAAAAAY
beyond what is normal, and his tendency toward stalking suggests that he
might pose a threat. His brother-in-law's incarceration for the alleged
murder of his illegitimate four-year-old daughter appears on its face to
have put Ted under considerable stress, which could make him dangerous.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Is it relevant to mention here that Ken Smith was once asked to submit to a
psychological examination by the Examiners' Board of the Colorado Bar
Association? I'm sure that Ken will disagree, but in the interests of full
disclosure, others might find such information useful here.
Why? Because it is an ad hominem, a non-sequitur, and an attempt by
you to defame me by innuendo? I don't think people want to hear about
your personal vendetta and obsession with me. If we must debate, you'd
do well to stick to the facts, and leave your personal vendetta against
me out of it.
[substantive arguments on this point offered elsewhere]
Watch Ken go ballistic against me now.
All I'm trying to do is get you to *stick to the issues*, keeping
your personal obsession with me out of the discussion. But you can't
seem to do that, now can you?
Why can't we have a rational discussion of the issues, unpoisoned by
your abusive personal insinuations? You're worse than Ann Coulter!
(And his "peanut gallery" of admirers can be counted on to join in.)
Gee, if I am as "crazy" as you attempt to insinuate, I shouldn't have
any admirers. I mean, Ray Gordon doesn't have any. You don't have any.
And Steve Winter doesn't have any. Do the math. :)
This is where the nub of Ken's objections really lie. Ken, please share your
thoughts about Jesus for the benefit of those readers who are not already
acquainted with your ramblings. Or else, readers may look at this url:
<http://tinyurl.com/4s5yk>
This is where the nub of Ted's obsession with me really lies. Ted is
an Osama-class religious nutter, who has so precious little confidence
in the verity of his own personal faith that he can't abide the thought
that intelligent and rational people (indeed, Ted recently referred to
me as having "keen insight and a sharp intellect") don't believe what he
does. Because Ted acknowledges me as one of the 'sharpest tools in the
box', my unbelief strikes at the core of his very being.
Either Jesus is dead, or worse (e.g., too busy sodomizing young boys
on the golf course to do what he promised). I prefer to believe that he
is dead -- as the existence of your psychopathic god is a more troubling
thought than the thought of no god at all.
Because, to be sure, Ken espresses NO faith of the sort that is required to
please God.
And to be sure, Ted's life reveals not even the vaguest hint of the
"works" of the sort required to establish that his faith is not dead
(http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/tedracistnew.txt).
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, in Ken's mind, this was a STOLEN election, and Ken
is apparently absolutely certain of it.
I'm persuaded by the evidence. I'm not "absolutely certain" of it,
but the evidence is becoming increasingly and disturbingly persuasive.
The difference between you and I is emblematic of the cultural divide
separating this country. People like me depend on evidence and reason,
whereas people like you rely on blind faith.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Fox News and former Clinton pollster Dick Morris just wrote that exit
polls are almost never wrong. The New York Daily News, among other news
outlets (it's what came up first using Google) is reporting that, while
exit polls were accurate in those states which use conventional voting
systems, those using e-voting were *all* wrong. And they all predicted
a Kerry win in swing states that Bush won (sometimes, by large margins).
Well see there's the problem Ken, you're selectively using the
information that suits you.
The people who did the polling are saying today that people like you are
looking at only the early exit polling that was conducted earlier in the
day and it showed Kerry leading, but the larger more completely data
released in the afternoon showed Bush ahead...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23580-2004Nov3.html
The only math that needs to be done to figure this out in the addition
of 4 million religious and social conservative who turned out to vote
this time, but didn't last time.
Gay marriage referendums, partial-birth abortion and Second Amendment
Rights - that all George Bush needed.
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Another Day Another OS wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Well see there's the problem Ken, you're selectively using the
information that suits you.
The people who did the polling are saying today that people like you are
looking at only the early exit polling that was conducted earlier in the
day and it showed Kerry leading, but the larger more completely data
released in the afternoon showed Bush ahead...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23580-2004Nov3.html
With respect, that's not what the article says, and it does nothing
to explain the otherwise mystifying fact that the discrepancies in the
exit polls only centered in those states relying heavily on electronic
voting systems. *Dick Morris* is the one raising the issue, and I
presume that he has the requisite expertise to actually know what he's
talking about.
Where I do have professional expertise (I was a Big-8 CPA before
going to law school) is in spotting the vulnerabilities of the
vote-tabulating system -- and e-voting is a veritable license to steal
elections. All a Dick Morris is telling me is that it probably happened.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
If it is, it is also relevant to mention here that Ted Kaldis has been
given a preliminary evaluation by a practicing psychologist,
BBBZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!! LIE! Such a thing has never happened.
and she has recommended that he seek psychiatric help immediately?
And you think you can believe everything you read on the internet?
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
BBBZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!! LIE! Such a thing has never happened.
Sure, it did. See the attached message.
and she has recommended that he seek psychiatric help immediately?
And you think you can believe everything you read on the internet?
Rather, quite the opposite, when you are spewing.
Why *do* you insist upon bringing this up, if you are not OCD with a
tendency to manifest stalking behavior? Don't you believe it would be
more productive if you actually discussed actual issues, as opposed to
insisting upon engaging in non sequitur ad hominem attacks?
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Lindsay wrote:
From: Kent Wills compuelf@gmail.com
Ken Smith wrote:
Ted's conspiracy theories -- especially, the one about the hit man -- are
so bizarre as to identify him as a crank, but I'd imagine that we've
gotten there already. :)
So tell us again, why is it that you're not a lawyer in Colorado?
Obsess much?
Ted has displayed, and is displaying, traits consistent with obsessive
compulsive disorder. His life revolves around Ken and Ken's dealings with the
Colorado Bar. How long has it been since Ken first tried to gain admittance
with the Colorado Bar? People not directly involved in the case would have let
go the matter and continued on with their lives. Ted's posts indicate an
inability to do so.
His tendency towards stalking is also evident in his driving clear across
Melbourne, Australia, to take a picture of an advisory's primary residence and
place it on a web site. This fits into the intimidation aspect of the
stalker's mind set perfectly. Had Ted been able to stay longer, he may well
have found many more opportunities to just "happen to be in the neighborhood."
Yes, Ted does want, or at least did want, people to think he's Australian. He
once boasted about how natives thought he was native. No native is going to
confuse an Australian accent with an American one. Indeed, no tourist is going
to confuse the two either. He had to impersonate a native accent to pull off
this ruse. The fact that natives were fooled indicates the degree to which Ted
studied the accent. The sole reason to do this would be to make one's self seem
native.
Ted most certainly has issues that he would do well to have address with the
aid of a competent mental health professional.
Ted, if you'd like, I could look up some psychologists in your area that could
help you discover and deal with the underlying cause of your problems.
The E-mail address I'm posting with is temporary. If you wish for me to assist
you, you will need to ask for it here. Kent will let me know if you accept my
offer.
Lin
Kent and Lindsay, I do appreciate the input, coming as it does from a
practicing professional. Ted's persistence in this matter goes WAAAAAAY
beyond what is normal, and his tendency toward stalking suggests that he
might pose a threat. His brother-in-law's incarceration for the alleged
murder of his illegitimate four-year-old daughter appears on its face to
have put Ted under considerable stress, which could make him dangerous.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Why *do* you insist upon bringing this up, if you are not OCD with a
tendency to manifest stalking behavior?
Because you've never come to terms with it.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Because you've never come to terms with it.
I HAVE come to terms with the fact that you are OCD with a tendency
to manifest stalking behavior. Your obsession with me speaks for itself.
Unlike YOU, I am comfortable enough with myself and my world-view
that I don't suffer from your seemingly compulsive desire to force your
views onto others.
And more to the point, I neither need nor want your advice.
What part of this do you not understand, Ted?
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Lindsay wrote:
From: Kent Wills compuelf@gmail.com
Ken Smith wrote:
Ted's conspiracy theories -- especially, the one about the hit man -- are
so bizarre as to identify him as a crank, but I'd imagine that we've
gotten there already. :)
So tell us again, why is it that you're not a lawyer in Colorado?
Obsess much?
Ted has displayed, and is displaying, traits consistent with obsessive
compulsive disorder. His life revolves around Ken and Ken's dealings with the
Colorado Bar. How long has it been since Ken first tried to gain admittance
with the Colorado Bar? People not directly involved in the case would have let
go the matter and continued on with their lives. Ted's posts indicate an
inability to do so.
His tendency towards stalking is also evident in his driving clear across
Melbourne, Australia, to take a picture of an advisory's primary residence and
place it on a web site. This fits into the intimidation aspect of the
stalker's mind set perfectly. Had Ted been able to stay longer, he may well
have found many more opportunities to just "happen to be in the neighborhood."
Yes, Ted does want, or at least did want, people to think he's Australian. He
once boasted about how natives thought he was native. No native is going to
confuse an Australian accent with an American one. Indeed, no tourist is going
to confuse the two either. He had to impersonate a native accent to pull off
this ruse. The fact that natives were fooled indicates the degree to which Ted
studied the accent. The sole reason to do this would be to make one's self seem
native.
Ted most certainly has issues that he would do well to have address with the
aid of a competent mental health professional.
Ted, if you'd like, I could look up some psychologists in your area that could
help you discover and deal with the underlying cause of your problems.
The E-mail address I'm posting with is temporary. If you wish for me to assist
you, you will need to ask for it here. Kent will let me know if you accept my
offer.
Lin
Kent and Lindsay, I do appreciate the input, coming as it does from a
practicing professional. Ted's persistence in this matter goes WAAAAAAY
beyond what is normal, and his tendency toward stalking suggests that he
might pose a threat. His brother-in-law's incarceration for the alleged
murder of his illegitimate four-year-old daughter appears on its face to
have put Ted under considerable stress, which could make him dangerous.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
I HAVE come to terms with the fact that you are OCD with a tendency to
manifest stalking behavior. Your obsession with me speaks for itself.
Unlike YOU, I am comfortable enough with myself and my world-view that I
don't suffer from your seemingly compulsive desire to force your views onto
others.
And more to the point, I neither need nor want your advice.
As you neither needed nor wanted the advice of the Colorado Bar Examiners,
nor of Judge Edward Nottingham of Denver Federal District Court, nor of the
Justices of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals?
What part of this do you not understand, Ted?
Oh, I understand what's going on here quite well. Do you?
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Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote
Oh, I understand what's going on here quite well. Do you?
Do you understand he *didnt* get a day in court ??
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have a GREAT day !!!!!
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SolarChase wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote
Do you understand he *didn't* get a day in court ??
Ted's an Osama-class religious nutter who harbors a vendetta against
me -- and he has admitted that he wouldn't admit such a thing, because
he knows that I would use it against him.
Bottom line, Ted's just mentally ill....
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Lindsay wrote:
From: Kent Wills compuelf@gmail.com
Ken Smith wrote:
Ted's conspiracy theories -- especially, the one about the hit man -- are
so bizarre as to identify him as a crank, but I'd imagine that we've
gotten there already. :)
So tell us again, why is it that you're not a lawyer in Colorado?
Obsess much?
Ted has displayed, and is displaying, traits consistent with obsessive
compulsive disorder. His life revolves around Ken and Ken's dealings with the
Colorado Bar. How long has it been since Ken first tried to gain admittance
with the Colorado Bar? People not directly involved in the case would have let
go the matter and continued on with their lives. Ted's posts indicate an
inability to do so.
His tendency towards stalking is also evident in his driving clear across
Melbourne, Australia, to take a picture of an advisory's primary residence and
place it on a web site. This fits into the intimidation aspect of the
stalker's mind set perfectly. Had Ted been able to stay longer, he may well
have found many more opportunities to just "happen to be in the neighborhood."
Yes, Ted does want, or at least did want, people to think he's Australian. He
once boasted about how natives thought he was native. No native is going to
confuse an Australian accent with an American one. Indeed, no tourist is going
to confuse the two either. He had to impersonate a native accent to pull off
this ruse. The fact that natives were fooled indicates the degree to which Ted
studied the accent. The sole reason to do this would be to make one's self seem
native.
Ted most certainly has issues that he would do well to have address with the
aid of a competent mental health professional.
Ted, if you'd like, I could look up some psychologists in your area that could
help you discover and deal with the underlying cause of your problems.
The E-mail address I'm posting with is temporary. If you wish for me to assist
you, you will need to ask for it here. Kent will let me know if you accept my
offer.
Lin
Kent and Lindsay, I do appreciate the input, coming as it does from a
practicing professional. Ted's persistence in this matter goes WAAAAAAY
beyond what is normal, and his tendency toward stalking suggests that he
might pose a threat. His brother-in-law's incarceration for the alleged
murder of his illegitimate four-year-old daughter appears on its face to
have put Ted under considerable stress, which could make him dangerous.
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
As you neither needed nor wanted the advice of the Colorado Bar Examiners,
They didn't offer any. All they were trying to do is cover their ass
in the face of a Section 1983 lawsuit.
nor of Judge Edward Nottingham of Denver Federal District Court, nor of the
Justices of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals?
That doesn't change the obvious fact that you are mentally ill, Ted.
Again, it is patently obvious that you are suffering from OCD with a
tendency to manifest stalking behavior. Your obsession with me speaks
for itself.
I would consider coherent counsel from a sane individual, which you
are quite obviously manifestly unqualified to render.
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Lindsay wrote:
From: Kent Wills compuelf@gmail.com
Ken Smith wrote:
Ted's conspiracy theories -- especially, the one about the hit man -- are
so bizarre as to identify him as a crank, but I'd imagine that we've
gotten there already. :)
So tell us again, why is it that you're not a lawyer in Colorado?
Obsess much?
Ted has displayed, and is displaying, traits consistent with obsessive
compulsive disorder. His life revolves around Ken and Ken's dealings with the
Colorado Bar. How long has it been since Ken first tried to gain admittance
with the Colorado Bar? People not directly involved in the case would have let
go the matter and continued on with their lives. Ted's posts indicate an
inability to do so.
His tendency towards stalking is also evident in his driving clear across
Melbourne, Australia, to take a picture of an advisory's primary residence and
place it on a web site. This fits into the intimidation aspect of the
stalker's mind set perfectly. Had Ted been able to stay longer, he may well
have found many more opportunities to just "happen to be in the neighborhood."
Yes, Ted does want, or at least did want, people to think he's Australian. He
once boasted about how natives thought he was native. No native is going to
confuse an Australian accent with an American one. Indeed, no tourist is going
to confuse the two either. He had to impersonate a native accent to pull off
this ruse. The fact that natives were fooled indicates the degree to which Ted
studied the accent. The sole reason to do this would be to make one's self seem
native.
Ted most certainly has issues that he would do well to have address with the
aid of a competent mental health professional.
Ted, if you'd like, I could look up some psychologists in your area that could
help you discover and deal with the underlying cause of your problems.
The E-mail address I'm posting with is temporary. If you wish for me to assist
you, you will need to ask for it here. Kent will let me know if you accept my
offer.
Lin
Kent and Lindsay, I do appreciate the input, coming as it does from a
practicing professional. Ted's persistence in this matter goes WAAAAAAY
beyond what is normal, and his tendency toward stalking suggests that he
might pose a threat. His brother-in-law's incarceration for the alleged
murder of his illegitimate four-year-old daughter appears on its face to
have put Ted under considerable stress, which could make him dangerous.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
They didn't offer any. All they were trying to do is cover their ass in
the face of a Section 1983 lawsuit.
Yeah, right. I'm sure they were quaking in their boots.
nor of Judge Edward Nottingham of Denver Federal District Court, nor of
the Justices of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals?
That doesn't change the obvious fact that you are mentally ill, Ted.
So let's get this straight: The Colorado Bar Examiners' Board asks you to
submit to a psychological examination. You refuse, and are denied a licence
to practise law in Colorado. So you sue them and the Colorado Supreme Court
(who has oversight) in Federal District Court. I tell you that's a bonehead
move, and your suit gets dismissed. (And you disparage me in the process.)
So you appeal in the 10th Circuit, and I tell you that you won't fare any
better there. And your suit once again is dismissed, as I said it would be.
And you CONTINUE to malign and disparage me viciously. And _I'M_ the one who
has mental problems??? What's wrong with this picture?
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
That doesn't change the obvious fact that you are mentally ill, Ted.
So let's get this straight: The Colorado Bar Examiners' Board asks you to
submit to a psychological examination. You refuse, and are denied a licence
to practise law in Colorado. So you sue them and the Colorado Supreme Court
(who has oversight) in Federal District Court. I tell you that's a bonehead
move, and your suit gets dismissed. (And you disparage me in the process.)
So you appeal in the 10th Circuit, and I tell you that you won't fare any
better there. And your suit once again is dismissed, as I said it would be.
And you CONTINUE to malign and disparage me viciously. And _I'M_ the one who
has mental problems??? What's wrong with this picture?
You mean, apart from your deliberate failure to acknowledge the facts
that actually matter, thereby radically changing the composition of the
true picture???
While I *do* admittedly disparage you for your misogyny, homophobia,
extreme religious and/or ethnic bigotry, malignant hypocrisy, lack of
candor, and astonishing absence of personal character, I have *never*
disparaged you for your opinion regarding my battle with the Colorado
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