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xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan)
11/2/2004 9:08:58 PM


How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One
Pole in the White House and the other in
Tallahassee" sort of a way.
Florida, where the chance of software election fraud
using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by
heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC
contributors, with closed source software never made
open to public review, was first raised as a real
danger to the US electoral process, has its exit
polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done
independent of the election machines, in a dead heat
per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a
comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all
precincts counted.
Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose?
Grrr.
xanthian.
 
 
Ken Smith
11/3/2004 6:29:20 AM


Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One
Pole in the White House and the other in
Tallahassee" sort of a way.
Florida, where the chance of software election fraud
using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by
heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC
contributors, with closed source software never made
open to public review, was first raised as a real
danger to the US electoral process, has its exit
polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done
independent of the election machines, in a dead heat
per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a
comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all
precincts counted.
Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose?
Grrr.
Stolen fair and square. Welcome to the new age of American fascism.
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/3/2004 12:09:22 AM




"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
news:a3eaa964.0411022108.4bb01518@posting.google.com...

How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One
Pole in the White House and the other in
Tallahassee" sort of a way.
Florida, where the chance of software election fraud
using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by
heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC
contributors, with closed source software never made
open to public review, was first raised as a real
danger to the US electoral process, has its exit
polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done
independent of the election machines, in a dead heat
per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a
comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all
precincts counted.
Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose?
Grrr.
xanthian.
Its a conspiracy. Idiot. LOL.
Rob
 
 
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
11/5/2004 2:16:50 AM


In article <a3eaa964.0411022108.4bb01518@posting.google.com>,
Kent Paul Dolan <xanthian@well.com> wrote:
How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One
Pole in the White House and the other in
Tallahassee" sort of a way.
Kent, you need to quit worrying about politics, you
get too worked up over nothing.
Florida, where the chance of software election fraud
using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by
heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC
contributors,
Democrats are anti-business, Kent; you can't expect
them to run a tech company and actually produce a
functional product.
with closed source software never made
open to public review,
Hmmm... You're saying this is a Microsoft product?
was first raised as a real
danger to the US electoral process,
....in the minds of politicians who realized they
couldn't stuff the ballot box as in the days of
Richard Daley...
has its exit
polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done
independent of the election machines,
Exit polls have nothing to do with "truth", nor
will they maen anything significant, just like
virtually every poll. They take an inadequate
sample from a non-typical location, mixed with
a biased pollster, and produces the result they
wanted. Using an exit poll as a check against
anything is disingenious at best.
in a dead heat
per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a
comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all
precincts counted.
Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose?
The machines produce accurate numbers, where the polls
are wistful thinking?
Grrr.
Get over it, Kent; your candidate lost. Again.
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net
"Sept. 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be
the day liberty perished in this country." Judge Gerald Tjoflat
 
 
trupatriot2002@yahoo.com (Dr Apocolyptical)
11/5/2004 11:06:16 AM


Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:<41887A4B.40608@it.com>...
Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
Stolen fair and square. Welcome to the new age of American fascism.
GEORGIE PORGY PUDDING AND PIE STOLE THE ELECTION AND MADE YOU CRY
 
 
yourweightonthemoon@yahoo.com (your weight on the moon)
11/5/2004 4:11:52 PM


I'm having a hard time figuring out why government by Big Business is
better than a slightly bigger government.
Oh, that's right: I'm just member of the stupid wage slave class, not
a man (or woman) of gold. (Stop Thinking And Get Back To Work:
http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/FTR/pdTNFTR0001.jpg)
("Plato's Republican!")
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 1:47:17 AM




"your weight on the moon" <yourweightonthemoon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:68f994bb.0411051611.310b8a@posting.google.com...

I'm having a hard time figuring out why government by Big Business is
better than a slightly bigger government.
Oh, that's right: I'm just member of the stupid wage slave class, not
a man (or woman) of gold. (Stop Thinking And Get Back To Work:
http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/FTR/pdTNFTR0001.jpg
This is the way I see it... since private enterprise is more effective and
usually costs less, and the government knows that, they choose to do it that
way.
The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an expensive joke. Private
Enterprise would have done it more effectively and it would have actually
cost the USERS of the product the cost, instead of plassing the dole into
everyone in the US.
The cost should have been put onto the users. Not all Americans. But this
is a case where Big Business, using the democratic party this time, got
their way by demanding and backing the idea of a federalized work force.
Costing us all.
Rob
 
 
"JimC"
11/6/2004 3:06:48 PM




"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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"your weight on the moon" <yourweightonthemoon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:68f994bb.0411051611.310b8a@posting.google.com...

This is the way I see it... since private enterprise is more effective and
usually costs less, and the government knows that, they choose to do it that
way.
The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an expensive joke. Private
Enterprise would have done it more effectively and it would have actually
cost the USERS of the product the cost, instead of plassing the dole into
everyone in the US.
The cost should have been put onto the users. Not all Americans. But this
is a case where Big Business, using the democratic party this time, got
their way by demanding and backing the idea of a federalized work force.
Costing us all.
The Transportation Security Administration, headed by church going
Asa Hutchinson, another Arkie Republican who unfortunately
never had the opportunity to serve in his nation's armed forces,
was put into place by Republicans.
Hutchinson formerly distinguished himself in the United States Senate
where he prosecuted Bill Clinton's impeachment trial for lying about
extramarital sex.
Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault
necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary
record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm
on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and
things damaged all without recourse.
"Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your
suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were
there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time
without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's
what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs
me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your
suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it."
(He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800
phone number but without anybody's name.)
 
 
xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan)
11/6/2004 7:23:49 AM


"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an
expensive joke. Private Enterprise would have
done it more effectively and it would have
actually cost the USERS of the product the cost,
instead of plassing the dole into everyone in the
US.
The cost should have been put onto the users. Not
all Americans. But this is a case where Big
Business, using the democratic party this time,
got their way by demanding and backing the idea of
a federalized work force. Costing us all.
Rob, you really need to go see if that privatized
US medical system you value so highly has found a
cure yet for that horrifyingly crippling case of
stupidity you've contracted.
Just to test your ideas somewhere that you might
find a wiser answer than the one you have, once
again, extracted from your rectum, go ask the widows
and orphans of the World Trade Center workers if
airplane security to prevent that attack would have
been solely of benefit to the airplane passengers,
and therefore all the cost of that extra security
should only have been added to ticket prices, rather
than paid as a needed form of insurance by the
larger society.
xanthian.
 
 
"John Tibbs"
11/6/2004 5:14:05 PM




"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:zd6dnUZviYE6ABHcRVn-ig@gbronline.com...

The Transportation Security Administration, headed by church going
Asa Hutchinson, another Arkie Republican who unfortunately
never had the opportunity to serve in his nation's armed forces,
was put into place by Republicans.
Hutchinson formerly distinguished himself in the United States Senate
where he prosecuted Bill Clinton's impeachment trial for lying about
extramarital sex.
Wrong Hutchinson,Catfish, It was Tim who prosecuted the perjurer.
Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault
necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary
record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm
on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and
things damaged all without recourse.
Heck, stolen items from luggage was rampant before the TSA was conceived.
"Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your
suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were
there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time
without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's
what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs
me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your
suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it."
(He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800
phone number but without anybody's name.)
Well, it won't cost you anything to call it anyway.
jt
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 2:23:04 PM


"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote
Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault
necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary
record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm
on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and
things damaged all without recourse.
Its established no such thing. Airlines routinely steal peoples stuff in
the baggage process. It ALWAYS been that way. Its certainly not been an
"extraodinary record for abuse." Just more of the same, but now the dems
got it federalized.
"Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your
suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were
there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time
without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's
what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs
me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your
suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it."
(He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800
phone number but without anybody's name.)
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized
workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business.
Rob
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 2:28:23 PM




"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
news:a3eaa964.0411060723.7738c690@posting.google.com...

"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
Rob, you really need to go see if that privatized
US medical system you value so highly has found a
cure yet for that horrifyingly crippling case of
stupidity you've contracted.
Just to test your ideas somewhere that you might
find a wiser answer than the one you have, once
again, extracted from your rectum, go ask the widows
and orphans of the World Trade Center workers if
airplane security to prevent that attack would have
been solely of benefit to the airplane passengers,
and therefore all the cost of that extra security
should only have been added to ticket prices, rather
than paid as a needed form of insurance by the
larger society.
xanthian.
Under AL GORE, the TSA came up with an algorithm (Oh, the irony) whereine
many of the highjackers would have been stopped. But to placate their
liberal base... they chose not to institute it.
Thus the massive trajedy. Learn the facts.
Rob
 
 
"JimC"
11/6/2004 11:18:27 PM




"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:GoydnUZQ0sNR0xDcRVn-3A@gbronline.com...

"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote
Its established no such thing.
Then don't go here: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/38286.php
(I wasn't trying to trap anybody. The stories about TSA have been
much in the news.)
Airlines routinely steal peoples stuff in the baggage process.
Oh? Don't travel much, do you?
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized
workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business.
Actually, as any seasoned traveller can explain to you, airlines never opened
baggage except in extraordinary circumstances, and they still don't. If one
wanted to prevent even this unusual occurrence from happening, one simply
used a miniature padlock to tie two zipper handles together preventing
zipped-up luggage from being opened. That didn't mean the airlines couldn't
isolate a bag that had a ticking noise inside. TSA prohibits the use of locks
they can't open and advertises it will break them. They have their own
approved locks which they know how to open.
I routinely watch TSA inspectors break into the luggage of uninformed
owners at LAX right in front of them. The rule is: once a traveller has
submitted his bag for check-in, he isn't allowed to touch it. At "nice"
airports like Burbank, the TSA inspector advises the traveller to
remove the padlock so that he the inspector can open it. The inspector
isn't required to give the traveller this second chance, but that seems
to be the practice there. Down at LAX the so-called Crossroads of
the World (along with a dozen other places which claim the title)
where things are more hectic, you'll be yanked away from your luggage
if you even look like you're going to touch it while they bring out the
bolt cutter.
TSA inspectors also work behind the scenes. I only refer to
locations where inspectors work in the open. As
a rule, they work at curbside check-ins. In other words, if
you check in at the curb, you'll see what happens to your luggage.
If inside the terminal, you may or may not. My troubles have occurred
on inside check-ins which, since I travel quite frequently, I learned to
avoid.
The *routine* inspection of baggage commenced with TSA's creation
in late 2001. Trust me, it was in all the papers.
 
 
xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan)
11/6/2004 5:46:12 PM


"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) wrote:
Under AL GORE, the TSA came up with an algorithm
(Oh, the irony) whereine many of the highjackers
would have been stopped. But to placate their
liberal base... they chose not to institute it.
Thus the massive trajedy. Learn the facts.
Perhaps you could instead go to Sweden for "the
operation", you know, that one where they extract
your head from your ass, replace your damaged brain
with a pig's working brain, and then shove your head
up the pig's ass instead?
See, there's a couple of little problems with your
answer:
1) The issue being discussed above was "who benefits
from, and therefore should be paying for, increased
transportation security at airports". You'll notice
that your answer failed to address the subject
matter _at all_. Instead it was a failed attempt to
change the subject, in a discussion where you had,
once again, been proved an utter fool, with a vapid
attempt by you to shift blame for the incident
triggering that cost increase to some party other
than the one running the country at the time that
the said incident occurred, indeed, to a party long
out of power at the time.
2) While I'm sure that _in concept_ Al Gore and the
TSA could have come up with an algorithm to extract
Shrub's head from his butt five weeks before 9/11,
for at least the amount of time required for him to
pay some intelligent attention to the memo there on
his desk telling him to expect a terrorist attack
against the power symbols of the United States,
using airplanes as the instruments of destruction,
Gore unfortunately lost the presidential election in
a Supreme Court coup, and so had no ability to cause
that algorithm to be implemented.
Really, Rob: intelligent thought: it's the new
thing, invented somewhere in just the last 1.5 million
years. You should try it before it goes entirely out
of style. Until you can, you should consider saving
wear and tear on your fingers, stuff like "trajedy"
and "Gore did it" just keeps you the perpetual butt
of jokes here on Usenet.
xanthian.
 
 
xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan)
11/6/2004 5:59:01 PM


Rob Duncan wrote:
Just more of the same, but now the dems
got it federalized.
Maybe, since you seem to have given up hope
of receiving medical care for your severe
case of stupidity in the US health system,
you could check the Canadian health system,
to see just how long the queue is for their
famous "stupidectomy" procedure? The one
that frees you up to say "Eh." and mean it?
In your lifelong successful effort to live
in a state of maximized ignorance of the
workings of the real world, you seem to have
failed to learn that truism of American
politics: the party in power makes the laws.
Now, one more time, _who_ federalized the
inspection of luggage at airports after 9/11?
If you can get the results of this search
past your tight clenched colaca to where your
eyes are, it might contain a clue or two for
you, ducks:
http://www.google.com/search?q=federalized+airport+security
ROTFL
xanthian.
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 9:26:28 PM




"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
news:a3eaa964.0411061746.752fb8ea@posting.google.com...

"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
Perhaps you could instead go to Sweden for "the
operation", you know, that one where they extract
your head from your ass, replace your damaged brain
with a pig's working brain, and then shove your head
up the pig's ass instead?
See, there's a couple of little problems with your
answer:
1) The issue being discussed above was "who benefits
from, and therefore should be paying for, increased
transportation security at airports". You'll notice
that your answer failed to address the subject
matter _at all_. Instead it was a failed attempt to
change the subject, in a discussion where you had,
once again, been proved an utter fool, with a vapid
attempt by you to shift blame for the incident
triggering that cost increase to some party other
than the one running the country at the time that
the said incident occurred, indeed, to a party long
out of power at the time.
2) While I'm sure that _in concept_ Al Gore and the
TSA could have come up with an algorithm to extract
Shrub's head from his butt five weeks before 9/11,
for at least the amount of time required for him to
pay some intelligent attention to the memo there on
his desk telling him to expect a terrorist attack
against the power symbols of the United States,
using airplanes as the instruments of destruction,
Gore unfortunately lost the presidential election in
a Supreme Court coup, and so had no ability to cause
that algorithm to be implemented.
Really, Rob: intelligent thought: it's the new
thing, invented somewhere in just the last 1.5 million
years. You should try it before it goes entirely out
of style. Until you can, you should consider saving
wear and tear on your fingers, stuff like "trajedy"
and "Gore did it" just keeps you the perpetual butt
of jokes here on Usenet.
xanthian.
Simply? Youre a verbose idiot. Incapable of making a statement in a
concise manner. Your stupidity blathers on endlessly.
Rob
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 9:33:19 PM




"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:GoydnUZQ0sNR0xDcRVn-3A@gbronline.com...

Then don't go here: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/38286.php
(I wasn't trying to trap anybody. The stories about TSA have been
much in the news.)
Oh? Don't travel much, do you?
What the @$#*? Are you out of your mind? The airlines have been stealing
stuff from its passengers from day 1. What the hell, did you just start
flying on 9/12 or something?
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the
federalized
workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big
business.
Actually, as any seasoned traveller can explain to you, airlines never
opened
baggage except in extraordinary circumstances, and they still don't. If
one
wanted to prevent even this unusual occurrence from happening, one simply
used a miniature padlock to tie two zipper handles together preventing
zipped-up luggage from being opened. That didn't mean the airlines
couldn't
isolate a bag that had a ticking noise inside. TSA prohibits the use of
locks
they can't open and advertises it will break them. They have their own
approved locks which they know how to open.
I routinely watch TSA inspectors break into the luggage of uninformed
owners at LAX right in front of them. The rule is: once a traveller has
submitted his bag for check-in, he isn't allowed to touch it. At "nice"
airports like Burbank, the TSA inspector advises the traveller to
remove the padlock so that he the inspector can open it. The inspector
isn't required to give the traveller this second chance, but that seems
to be the practice there. Down at LAX the so-called Crossroads of
the World (along with a dozen other places which claim the title)
where things are more hectic, you'll be yanked away from your luggage
if you even look like you're going to touch it while they bring out the
bolt cutter.
TSA inspectors also work behind the scenes. I only refer to
locations where inspectors work in the open. As
a rule, they work at curbside check-ins. In other words, if
you check in at the curb, you'll see what happens to your luggage.
If inside the terminal, you may or may not. My troubles have occurred
on inside check-ins which, since I travel quite frequently, I learned to
avoid.
The *routine* inspection of baggage commenced with TSA's creation
in late 2001. Trust me, it was in all the papers.
Ive ignored every thing you said. Youve demonstrated that you know nothing
on the subject. I am POSITIVE that the amount of theft has gone DOWN.
Prior to the new rules, which I think is just expensive gov crap, airlines
stole millions of dollars of stuff every year.
Rob
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 9:38:59 PM




"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
news:a3eaa964.0411061759.37bfe253@posting.google.com...

Rob Duncan wrote:
Maybe, since you seem to have given up hope
of receiving medical care for your severe
case of stupidity in the US health system,
you could check the Canadian health system,
to see just how long the queue is for their
famous "stupidectomy" procedure? The one
that frees you up to say "Eh." and mean it?
In your lifelong successful effort to live
in a state of maximized ignorance of the
workings of the real world, you seem to have
failed to learn that truism of American
politics: the party in power makes the laws.
Now, one more time, _who_ federalized the
inspection of luggage at airports after 9/11?
If you can get the results of this search
past your tight clenched colaca to where your
eyes are, it might contain a clue or two for
you, ducks:
http://www.google.com/search?q=federalized+airport+security
ROTFL
xanthian.
LOL. Youre a sad, pathetic, fool. It was the dems that wanted the
inspections and baggage process to be federalized.
For several reasons. Big Business' reason... to transfer the cost from
itself, and its passengers, (which would decrease usage and profits) and put
it onto the population as a whole.
The democrats reason, to have more people on the government dole, and to
have more unionized worker/voters to blindly support their unions like
idiots.
Thanks to democratic intervention both were accomplished. Youre an idiot.
Rob
Rob
 
 
"JimC"
11/7/2004 6:05:27 AM


Rob Duncan
Ive ignored every thing you said.
I fly about 10 days a month, and have been doing so for years. I know
a bit about the subject.
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/6/2004 10:41:01 PM




"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
news:HWijd.5748$zx1.4852@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Rob Duncan
I fly about 10 days a month, and have been doing so for years. I know
a bit about the subject.
And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized?
Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private
enterprise.
Rob
 
 
"JimC"
11/7/2004 7:58:45 AM




"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized?
Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private
enterprise.
That's just baloney. As I patiently explained to you before,
thefts have gone up because TSA workers can open luggage
with impunity in front of its owner. Airline employees have
no reason to open luggage and do so surrpetitiously if at all.
Before TSA, there was no prohibition on using locks on
one's luggage that could only be accessed by the owner.
Before TSA, I had never had an incident with my luggage
except a few times I had gotten separated from it when
flights had been cancelled due to weather after I had
checked my luggage in. And even then, the airlines
would unfailingly deliver it to where ever I was staying.
(You've heard stories of passengers going to Paris
and luggage going to Seoul. Forget it. The
luggage arrives in Paris eventually and is delivered
to the passenger's hotel, or somebody is fired. Their
delivery rate is better than the post office.)
Since TSA, items of mine have been stolen
and /or damaged.
What is obvious is that you don't fly. Apparently, not even
a little.
 
 
"JimC"
11/7/2004 8:02:43 AM


I mistyped:
surrpetitiously
surreptitiously
 
 
Tom Spillman
11/7/2004 2:44:30 PM


"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in
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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized?
Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private
enterprise.
Rob
From my experiences as a frequent traveler, the danger point for luggage
theft was not the pre-gate inspection process but the baggage handlers
beyond the gate. They HAVE been stealing things for years, as stated.
However, the recent regulation requesting that luggage be kept unlocked
for inspection has made a bad situation worse.
Anyone who travels with something that they really want to keep should
keep it with themselves or ship it ahead via UPS or FedEx, IMNSHO....
Regards...
Tom
 
 
"John Tibbs"
11/7/2004 3:48:27 PM




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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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What the @$#*? Are you out of your mind? The airlines have been stealing
stuff from its passengers from day 1. What the hell, did you just start
flying on 9/12 or something?
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the
federalized
workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big
business.
Ive ignored every thing you said. Youve demonstrated that you know
nothing
on the subject. I am POSITIVE that the amount of theft has gone DOWN.
Prior to the new rules, which I think is just expensive gov crap, airlines
stole millions of dollars of stuff every year.
Rob
I remember a documentary made at Miami International not long after I had
flown out of there in the eighties where surveilance cameras had witnessed
four baggage handlers going through passengers baggage after it was checked.
I have not had that problem as I know of yet but a suitcase of mine had been
pried open without anything missing once. They didn't want my underwear I
guess.
jt
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/7/2004 1:12:08 PM




"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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I mistyped:
surreptitiously
I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim. Anyone whose ever flown, and
keep in mind I think the federalized workers are a sad joke, have seen the
rates of theft go down. Perhaps the one and ONLY good thing thats occured.
Your statements simply make no sence to me. Im no stranger to flying
either. And like I said, if thefts have gone up, as you say, then thats
just one more reason the system should never have been federalized.
So federal unionized workers steal more than when theyre employed in private
enterprise? Interesting, no?
Rob
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/7/2004 1:20:03 PM




"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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nothing
I remember a documentary made at Miami International not long after I had
flown out of there in the eighties where surveilance cameras had witnessed
four baggage handlers going through passengers baggage after it was
checked.
I have not had that problem as I know of yet but a suitcase of mine had
been
pried open without anything missing once. They didn't want my underwear I
guess.
jt
Ive had stuff stolen twice. Once from Atlanta to Portland and another from
Boise to New York City. Its never happened once after federalization. But
I prefer the old system. The security costs should never have left the
users. Now everyone pays for it, fly or not.
Rob
 
 
"JimC"
11/8/2004 4:58:07 AM




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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
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I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim.
I don't care what you seriously doubt. I have
a business to run. People on this newsgroup
who know me personally can vouch that I
travel. A lot.
Anyone whose ever flown, and
keep in mind I think the federalized workers are a sad joke, have seen the
rates of theft go down.
The rather astounding TSA rate of theft has been in all the headlines,
stupid. I gave you a link before you exploded. Your response was
"You don't know what you're talking about," with your usual dyslexic
misspellings. You could look this stuff up on the Web before
you pontificate.
And I do fly quite often. I'll be flying Thursday and Friday this week
and probably Monday and Tuesday of the following week. I've driven
500 miles today as you could verify if you were competent enough
to perform a traceroute on this and my earlier posts. But you're
not. Here, I'll help you. One will trace to a server in San
Francisco, and the other to a server in Irvine 45 miles
south of L.A. This computer sometimes talks to
the Web in three time zones in the same day.
Your statements simply make no sence to me. Im no stranger to flying
either.
Yes, you are. You fly to the fridge for a cold one and fly back
to your PC.
And like I said, if thefts have gone up, as you say, then thats
just one more reason the system should never have been federalized.
TSA, a branch Homeland Security, was set up by the
Bush administration with the expert counsel of one John Ashcroft
and Fox News. This too was in all the papers.
You don't get around, and you don't know how to do
around. Take your meds and just shut up.
--
There. Guess I told him.
 
 
"Rob Duncan"
11/8/2004 12:37:46 AM




"JimC" <jim@jim-collier.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
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I don't care what you seriously doubt. I have
a business to run. People on this newsgroup
who know me personally can vouch that I
travel. A lot.
The rather astounding TSA rate of theft has been in all the headlines,
stupid. I gave you a link before you exploded. Your response was
"You don't know what you're talking about," with your usual dyslexic
misspellings. You could look this stuff up on the Web before
you pontificate.
And I do fly quite often. I'll be flying Thursday and Friday this week
and probably Monday and Tuesday of the following week. I've driven
500 miles today as you could verify if you were competent enough
to perform a traceroute on this and my earlier posts. But you're
not. Here, I'll help you. One will trace to a server in San
Francisco, and the other to a server in Irvine 45 miles
south of L.A. This computer sometimes talks to
the Web in three time zones in the same day.
Yes, you are. You fly to the fridge for a cold one and fly back
to your PC.
TSA, a branch Homeland Security, was set up by the
Bush administration with the expert counsel of one John Ashcroft
and Fox News. This too was in all the papers.
You don't get around, and you don't know how to do
around. Take your meds and just shut up.
--
There. Guess I told him.
Get over your stupidity already. Youre asserting that by federalizing the
workforce its caused thefts to go up? They were astronomically high to
begin with.
Rob
 
 
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11/8/2004 7:18:32 AM


On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:12:08 -0800, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim ...
If I'm to choose between believing you and believing Collier,
you're going to lose every time. Jim's authoritative, you're not.
http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/tsa_luggage_locks.html
 
 
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