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How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One Pole in the White House and the other in Tallahassee" sort of a way. Florida, where the chance of software election fraud using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC contributors, with closed source software never made open to public review, was first raised as a real danger to the US electoral process, has its exit polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done independent of the election machines, in a dead heat per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all precincts counted. Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose? Grrr. xanthian.
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Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One Pole in the White House and the other in Tallahassee" sort of a way. Florida, where the chance of software election fraud using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC contributors, with closed source software never made open to public review, was first raised as a real danger to the US electoral process, has its exit polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done independent of the election machines, in a dead heat per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all precincts counted. Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose? Grrr.
Stolen fair and square. Welcome to the new age of American fascism.
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How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One Pole in the White House and the other in Tallahassee" sort of a way. Florida, where the chance of software election fraud using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC contributors, with closed source software never made open to public review, was first raised as a real danger to the US electoral process, has its exit polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done independent of the election machines, in a dead heat per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all precincts counted. Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose? Grrr. xanthian.
Its a conspiracy. Idiot. LOL. Rob
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In article <a3eaa964.0411022108.4bb01518@posting.google.com>, Kent Paul Dolan <xanthian@well.com> wrote:
How interesting, in a "New Axis of Evil, with One Pole in the White House and the other in Tallahassee" sort of a way.
Kent, you need to quit worrying about politics, you get too worked up over nothing.
Florida, where the chance of software election fraud using new, no-paper-trail election machines built by heavy RNC contributors and tested by heavy RNC contributors,
Democrats are anti-business, Kent; you can't expect them to run a tech company and actually produce a functional product.
with closed source software never made open to public review,
Hmmm... You're saying this is a Microsoft product?
was first raised as a real danger to the US electoral process,
....in the minds of politicians who realized they couldn't stuff the ballot box as in the days of Richard Daley...
has its exit polls, a "ground truth" check, and something done independent of the election machines,
Exit polls have nothing to do with "truth", nor will they maen anything significant, just like virtually every poll. They take an inadequate sample from a non-typical location, mixed with a biased pollster, and produces the result they wanted. Using an exit poll as a check against anything is disingenious at best.
in a dead heat per CNN, yet the election machine tally puts Bush a comfortable 5% ahead of Kerry with 97% of all precincts counted.
Now how could _that_ have happened. do you suppose?
The machines produce accurate numbers, where the polls are wistful thinking?
Grrr.
Get over it, Kent; your candidate lost. Again. Gary -- Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net "Sept. 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country." Judge Gerald Tjoflat
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote in message news:<41887A4B.40608@it.com>...
Kent Paul Dolan wrote: Stolen fair and square. Welcome to the new age of American fascism.
GEORGIE PORGY PUDDING AND PIE STOLE THE ELECTION AND MADE YOU CRY
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I'm having a hard time figuring out why government by Big Business is better than a slightly bigger government. Oh, that's right: I'm just member of the stupid wage slave class, not a man (or woman) of gold. (Stop Thinking And Get Back To Work: http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/FTR/pdTNFTR0001.jpg) ("Plato's Republican!")
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I'm having a hard time figuring out why government by Big Business is better than a slightly bigger government. Oh, that's right: I'm just member of the stupid wage slave class, not a man (or woman) of gold. (Stop Thinking And Get Back To Work: http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/FTR/pdTNFTR0001.jpg
This is the way I see it... since private enterprise is more effective and usually costs less, and the government knows that, they choose to do it that way. The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an expensive joke. Private Enterprise would have done it more effectively and it would have actually cost the USERS of the product the cost, instead of plassing the dole into everyone in the US. The cost should have been put onto the users. Not all Americans. But this is a case where Big Business, using the democratic party this time, got their way by demanding and backing the idea of a federalized work force. Costing us all. Rob
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This is the way I see it... since private enterprise is more effective and usually costs less, and the government knows that, they choose to do it that way. The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an expensive joke. Private Enterprise would have done it more effectively and it would have actually cost the USERS of the product the cost, instead of plassing the dole into everyone in the US. The cost should have been put onto the users. Not all Americans. But this is a case where Big Business, using the democratic party this time, got their way by demanding and backing the idea of a federalized work force. Costing us all.
The Transportation Security Administration, headed by church going Asa Hutchinson, another Arkie Republican who unfortunately never had the opportunity to serve in his nation's armed forces, was put into place by Republicans. Hutchinson formerly distinguished himself in the United States Senate where he prosecuted Bill Clinton's impeachment trial for lying about extramarital sex. Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and things damaged all without recourse. "Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it." (He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800 phone number but without anybody's name.)
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
The fed govs baggage checkers and security is an expensive joke. Private Enterprise would have done it more effectively and it would have actually cost the USERS of the product the cost, instead of plassing the dole into everyone in the US.
The cost should have been put onto the users. Not all Americans. But this is a case where Big Business, using the democratic party this time, got their way by demanding and backing the idea of a federalized work force. Costing us all.
Rob, you really need to go see if that privatized US medical system you value so highly has found a cure yet for that horrifyingly crippling case of stupidity you've contracted. Just to test your ideas somewhere that you might find a wiser answer than the one you have, once again, extracted from your rectum, go ask the widows and orphans of the World Trade Center workers if airplane security to prevent that attack would have been solely of benefit to the airplane passengers, and therefore all the cost of that extra security should only have been added to ticket prices, rather than paid as a needed form of insurance by the larger society. xanthian.
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The Transportation Security Administration, headed by church going Asa Hutchinson, another Arkie Republican who unfortunately never had the opportunity to serve in his nation's armed forces, was put into place by Republicans. Hutchinson formerly distinguished himself in the United States Senate where he prosecuted Bill Clinton's impeachment trial for lying about extramarital sex.
Wrong Hutchinson,Catfish, It was Tim who prosecuted the perjurer.
Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and things damaged all without recourse.
Heck, stolen items from luggage was rampant before the TSA was conceived.
"Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it." (He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800 phone number but without anybody's name.)
Well, it won't cost you anything to call it anyway. jt
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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote
Unfortunately -- and I'm sure this isn't the Christian Boy Scout's fault necessarily -- TSA has in its short life established an extraordinary record for abuse. Nearly every frequent flyer including me (I'm on the road right now) has stories of items stolen from luggage and things damaged all without recourse.
Its established no such thing. Airlines routinely steal peoples stuff in the baggage process. It ALWAYS been that way. Its certainly not been an "extraodinary record for abuse." Just more of the same, but now the dems got it federalized.
"Sorry, sir, but our inspectors must not even have opened your suitcase if you didn't find a little piece of paper saying they were there." Actually, they open mine in front of me all the time without leaving the required piece of paper inside. But it's what they do when my luggage is out of sight that disturbs me. "Sir, if you see one of our people stealing from your suitcase, you come to me, and we'll take care of it." (He gives me a TSA business card which has an 800 phone number but without anybody's name.)
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business. Rob
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote: Rob, you really need to go see if that privatized US medical system you value so highly has found a cure yet for that horrifyingly crippling case of stupidity you've contracted. Just to test your ideas somewhere that you might find a wiser answer than the one you have, once again, extracted from your rectum, go ask the widows and orphans of the World Trade Center workers if airplane security to prevent that attack would have been solely of benefit to the airplane passengers, and therefore all the cost of that extra security should only have been added to ticket prices, rather than paid as a needed form of insurance by the larger society. xanthian.
Under AL GORE, the TSA came up with an algorithm (Oh, the irony) whereine many of the highjackers would have been stopped. But to placate their liberal base... they chose not to institute it. Thus the massive trajedy. Learn the facts. Rob
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"JimC" <jimc@cross-comp.com> wrote Its established no such thing.
Then don't go here: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/38286.php (I wasn't trying to trap anybody. The stories about TSA have been much in the news.)
Airlines routinely steal peoples stuff in the baggage process.
Oh? Don't travel much, do you?
Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business.
Actually, as any seasoned traveller can explain to you, airlines never opened baggage except in extraordinary circumstances, and they still don't. If one wanted to prevent even this unusual occurrence from happening, one simply used a miniature padlock to tie two zipper handles together preventing zipped-up luggage from being opened. That didn't mean the airlines couldn't isolate a bag that had a ticking noise inside. TSA prohibits the use of locks they can't open and advertises it will break them. They have their own approved locks which they know how to open. I routinely watch TSA inspectors break into the luggage of uninformed owners at LAX right in front of them. The rule is: once a traveller has submitted his bag for check-in, he isn't allowed to touch it. At "nice" airports like Burbank, the TSA inspector advises the traveller to remove the padlock so that he the inspector can open it. The inspector isn't required to give the traveller this second chance, but that seems to be the practice there. Down at LAX the so-called Crossroads of the World (along with a dozen other places which claim the title) where things are more hectic, you'll be yanked away from your luggage if you even look like you're going to touch it while they bring out the bolt cutter. TSA inspectors also work behind the scenes. I only refer to locations where inspectors work in the open. As a rule, they work at curbside check-ins. In other words, if you check in at the curb, you'll see what happens to your luggage. If inside the terminal, you may or may not. My troubles have occurred on inside check-ins which, since I travel quite frequently, I learned to avoid. The *routine* inspection of baggage commenced with TSA's creation in late 2001. Trust me, it was in all the papers.
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) wrote: Under AL GORE, the TSA came up with an algorithm (Oh, the irony) whereine many of the highjackers would have been stopped. But to placate their liberal base... they chose not to institute it.
Thus the massive trajedy. Learn the facts.
Perhaps you could instead go to Sweden for "the operation", you know, that one where they extract your head from your ass, replace your damaged brain with a pig's working brain, and then shove your head up the pig's ass instead? See, there's a couple of little problems with your answer: 1) The issue being discussed above was "who benefits from, and therefore should be paying for, increased transportation security at airports". You'll notice that your answer failed to address the subject matter _at all_. Instead it was a failed attempt to change the subject, in a discussion where you had, once again, been proved an utter fool, with a vapid attempt by you to shift blame for the incident triggering that cost increase to some party other than the one running the country at the time that the said incident occurred, indeed, to a party long out of power at the time. 2) While I'm sure that _in concept_ Al Gore and the TSA could have come up with an algorithm to extract Shrub's head from his butt five weeks before 9/11, for at least the amount of time required for him to pay some intelligent attention to the memo there on his desk telling him to expect a terrorist attack against the power symbols of the United States, using airplanes as the instruments of destruction, Gore unfortunately lost the presidential election in a Supreme Court coup, and so had no ability to cause that algorithm to be implemented. Really, Rob: intelligent thought: it's the new thing, invented somewhere in just the last 1.5 million years. You should try it before it goes entirely out of style. Until you can, you should consider saving wear and tear on your fingers, stuff like "trajedy" and "Gore did it" just keeps you the perpetual butt of jokes here on Usenet. xanthian.
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Rob Duncan wrote:
Just more of the same, but now the dems got it federalized.
Maybe, since you seem to have given up hope of receiving medical care for your severe case of stupidity in the US health system, you could check the Canadian health system, to see just how long the queue is for their famous "stupidectomy" procedure? The one that frees you up to say "Eh." and mean it? In your lifelong successful effort to live in a state of maximized ignorance of the workings of the real world, you seem to have failed to learn that truism of American politics: the party in power makes the laws. Now, one more time, _who_ federalized the inspection of luggage at airports after 9/11? If you can get the results of this search past your tight clenched colaca to where your eyes are, it might contain a clue or two for you, ducks: http://www.google.com/search?q=federalized+airport+security ROTFL xanthian.
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote: Perhaps you could instead go to Sweden for "the operation", you know, that one where they extract your head from your ass, replace your damaged brain with a pig's working brain, and then shove your head up the pig's ass instead? See, there's a couple of little problems with your answer: 1) The issue being discussed above was "who benefits from, and therefore should be paying for, increased transportation security at airports". You'll notice that your answer failed to address the subject matter _at all_. Instead it was a failed attempt to change the subject, in a discussion where you had, once again, been proved an utter fool, with a vapid attempt by you to shift blame for the incident triggering that cost increase to some party other than the one running the country at the time that the said incident occurred, indeed, to a party long out of power at the time. 2) While I'm sure that _in concept_ Al Gore and the TSA could have come up with an algorithm to extract Shrub's head from his butt five weeks before 9/11, for at least the amount of time required for him to pay some intelligent attention to the memo there on his desk telling him to expect a terrorist attack against the power symbols of the United States, using airplanes as the instruments of destruction, Gore unfortunately lost the presidential election in a Supreme Court coup, and so had no ability to cause that algorithm to be implemented. Really, Rob: intelligent thought: it's the new thing, invented somewhere in just the last 1.5 million years. You should try it before it goes entirely out of style. Until you can, you should consider saving wear and tear on your fingers, stuff like "trajedy" and "Gore did it" just keeps you the perpetual butt of jokes here on Usenet. xanthian.
Simply? Youre a verbose idiot. Incapable of making a statement in a concise manner. Your stupidity blathers on endlessly. Rob
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Then don't go here: http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/38286.php (I wasn't trying to trap anybody. The stories about TSA have been much in the news.) Oh? Don't travel much, do you?
What the @$#*? Are you out of your mind? The airlines have been stealing stuff from its passengers from day 1. What the hell, did you just start flying on 9/12 or something? Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business.
Actually, as any seasoned traveller can explain to you, airlines never opened baggage except in extraordinary circumstances, and they still don't. If one wanted to prevent even this unusual occurrence from happening, one simply used a miniature padlock to tie two zipper handles together preventing zipped-up luggage from being opened. That didn't mean the airlines couldn't isolate a bag that had a ticking noise inside. TSA prohibits the use of locks they can't open and advertises it will break them. They have their own approved locks which they know how to open. I routinely watch TSA inspectors break into the luggage of uninformed owners at LAX right in front of them. The rule is: once a traveller has submitted his bag for check-in, he isn't allowed to touch it. At "nice" airports like Burbank, the TSA inspector advises the traveller to remove the padlock so that he the inspector can open it. The inspector isn't required to give the traveller this second chance, but that seems to be the practice there. Down at LAX the so-called Crossroads of the World (along with a dozen other places which claim the title) where things are more hectic, you'll be yanked away from your luggage if you even look like you're going to touch it while they bring out the bolt cutter. TSA inspectors also work behind the scenes. I only refer to locations where inspectors work in the open. As a rule, they work at curbside check-ins. In other words, if you check in at the curb, you'll see what happens to your luggage. If inside the terminal, you may or may not. My troubles have occurred on inside check-ins which, since I travel quite frequently, I learned to avoid. The *routine* inspection of baggage commenced with TSA's creation in late 2001. Trust me, it was in all the papers.
Ive ignored every thing you said. Youve demonstrated that you know nothing on the subject. I am POSITIVE that the amount of theft has gone DOWN. Prior to the new rules, which I think is just expensive gov crap, airlines stole millions of dollars of stuff every year. Rob
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Rob Duncan wrote: Maybe, since you seem to have given up hope of receiving medical care for your severe case of stupidity in the US health system, you could check the Canadian health system, to see just how long the queue is for their famous "stupidectomy" procedure? The one that frees you up to say "Eh." and mean it? In your lifelong successful effort to live in a state of maximized ignorance of the workings of the real world, you seem to have failed to learn that truism of American politics: the party in power makes the laws. Now, one more time, _who_ federalized the inspection of luggage at airports after 9/11? If you can get the results of this search past your tight clenched colaca to where your eyes are, it might contain a clue or two for you, ducks: http://www.google.com/search?q=federalized+airport+security ROTFL xanthian.
LOL. Youre a sad, pathetic, fool. It was the dems that wanted the inspections and baggage process to be federalized. For several reasons. Big Business' reason... to transfer the cost from itself, and its passengers, (which would decrease usage and profits) and put it onto the population as a whole. The democrats reason, to have more people on the government dole, and to have more unionized worker/voters to blindly support their unions like idiots. Thanks to democratic intervention both were accomplished. Youre an idiot. Rob Rob
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Rob Duncan
Ive ignored every thing you said.
I fly about 10 days a month, and have been doing so for years. I know a bit about the subject.
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Rob Duncan I fly about 10 days a month, and have been doing so for years. I know a bit about the subject.
And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized? Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private enterprise. Rob
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And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized? Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private enterprise.
That's just baloney. As I patiently explained to you before, thefts have gone up because TSA workers can open luggage with impunity in front of its owner. Airline employees have no reason to open luggage and do so surrpetitiously if at all. Before TSA, there was no prohibition on using locks on one's luggage that could only be accessed by the owner. Before TSA, I had never had an incident with my luggage except a few times I had gotten separated from it when flights had been cancelled due to weather after I had checked my luggage in. And even then, the airlines would unfailingly deliver it to where ever I was staying. (You've heard stories of passengers going to Paris and luggage going to Seoul. Forget it. The luggage arrives in Paris eventually and is delivered to the passenger's hotel, or somebody is fired. Their delivery rate is better than the post office.) Since TSA, items of mine have been stolen and /or damaged. What is obvious is that you don't fly. Apparently, not even a little.
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I mistyped:
surrpetitiously
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in news:cKqdnRUn974dXhDcRVn-iw@gbronline.com:
And the thefts have gone UP since the workers were federalized? Interesting. Just one more reason it should have been left to private enterprise. Rob
From my experiences as a frequent traveler, the danger point for luggage theft was not the pre-gate inspection process but the baggage handlers beyond the gate. They HAVE been stealing things for years, as stated. However, the recent regulation requesting that luggage be kept unlocked for inspection has made a bad situation worse. Anyone who travels with something that they really want to keep should keep it with themselves or ship it ahead via UPS or FedEx, IMNSHO.... Regards... Tom
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What the @$#*? Are you out of your mind? The airlines have been stealing stuff from its passengers from day 1. What the hell, did you just start flying on 9/12 or something? Airlines routinely stole peoples stuff. Now they can blame the federalized workers. Alleving themselves of blame. Another victory for big business. Ive ignored every thing you said. Youve demonstrated that you know
nothing
on the subject. I am POSITIVE that the amount of theft has gone DOWN. Prior to the new rules, which I think is just expensive gov crap, airlines stole millions of dollars of stuff every year. Rob
I remember a documentary made at Miami International not long after I had flown out of there in the eighties where surveilance cameras had witnessed four baggage handlers going through passengers baggage after it was checked. I have not had that problem as I know of yet but a suitcase of mine had been pried open without anything missing once. They didn't want my underwear I guess. jt
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I mistyped: surreptitiously
I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim. Anyone whose ever flown, and keep in mind I think the federalized workers are a sad joke, have seen the rates of theft go down. Perhaps the one and ONLY good thing thats occured. Your statements simply make no sence to me. Im no stranger to flying either. And like I said, if thefts have gone up, as you say, then thats just one more reason the system should never have been federalized. So federal unionized workers steal more than when theyre employed in private enterprise? Interesting, no? Rob
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nothing I remember a documentary made at Miami International not long after I had flown out of there in the eighties where surveilance cameras had witnessed four baggage handlers going through passengers baggage after it was checked. I have not had that problem as I know of yet but a suitcase of mine had been pried open without anything missing once. They didn't want my underwear I guess. jt
Ive had stuff stolen twice. Once from Atlanta to Portland and another from Boise to New York City. Its never happened once after federalization. But I prefer the old system. The security costs should never have left the users. Now everyone pays for it, fly or not. Rob
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I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim.
I don't care what you seriously doubt. I have a business to run. People on this newsgroup who know me personally can vouch that I travel. A lot.
Anyone whose ever flown, and keep in mind I think the federalized workers are a sad joke, have seen the rates of theft go down.
The rather astounding TSA rate of theft has been in all the headlines, stupid. I gave you a link before you exploded. Your response was "You don't know what you're talking about," with your usual dyslexic misspellings. You could look this stuff up on the Web before you pontificate. And I do fly quite often. I'll be flying Thursday and Friday this week and probably Monday and Tuesday of the following week. I've driven 500 miles today as you could verify if you were competent enough to perform a traceroute on this and my earlier posts. But you're not. Here, I'll help you. One will trace to a server in San Francisco, and the other to a server in Irvine 45 miles south of L.A. This computer sometimes talks to the Web in three time zones in the same day.
Your statements simply make no sence to me. Im no stranger to flying either.
Yes, you are. You fly to the fridge for a cold one and fly back to your PC.
And like I said, if thefts have gone up, as you say, then thats just one more reason the system should never have been federalized.
TSA, a branch Homeland Security, was set up by the Bush administration with the expert counsel of one John Ashcroft and Fox News. This too was in all the papers. You don't get around, and you don't know how to do around. Take your meds and just shut up. -- There. Guess I told him.
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I don't care what you seriously doubt. I have a business to run. People on this newsgroup who know me personally can vouch that I travel. A lot. The rather astounding TSA rate of theft has been in all the headlines, stupid. I gave you a link before you exploded. Your response was "You don't know what you're talking about," with your usual dyslexic misspellings. You could look this stuff up on the Web before you pontificate. And I do fly quite often. I'll be flying Thursday and Friday this week and probably Monday and Tuesday of the following week. I've driven 500 miles today as you could verify if you were competent enough to perform a traceroute on this and my earlier posts. But you're not. Here, I'll help you. One will trace to a server in San Francisco, and the other to a server in Irvine 45 miles south of L.A. This computer sometimes talks to the Web in three time zones in the same day. Yes, you are. You fly to the fridge for a cold one and fly back to your PC. TSA, a branch Homeland Security, was set up by the Bush administration with the expert counsel of one John Ashcroft and Fox News. This too was in all the papers. You don't get around, and you don't know how to do around. Take your meds and just shut up. -- There. Guess I told him.
Get over your stupidity already. Youre asserting that by federalizing the workforce its caused thefts to go up? They were astronomically high to begin with. Rob
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:12:08 -0800, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
I seriously doubt you fly all that you claim ...
If I'm to choose between believing you and believing Collier, you're going to lose every time. Jim's authoritative, you're not. http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/tsa_luggage_locks.html
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