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Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is ruled by
terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the war
began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not. Now, I
will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
Thanks
Me
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me@myplace.com wrote:
Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is ruled by
terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the war
began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not. Now, I
will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
Thanks
Me
Go to a US Embassy/Consulate anywhere in the world and tell the
people there what you want to do (you cannot do it while in the
US or any of its territories).
They'll take it from there!
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
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me@myplace.com wrote:
Due to the results of the election, I want to renounce my American
citizenship. I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is
ruled by terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the
war began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not. Now, I
will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have some
sort of documentation.
Don't let the door slap yer backside on the way out.
--
Theodore A. Kaldis
kaldis@worldnet.att.net
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Vietnam Vet wrote:
me@myplace.com wrote:
Go to a US Embassy/Consulate anywhere in the world and tell the
people there what you want to do (you cannot do it while in the
US or any of its territories).
They'll take it from there!
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
Are you sure? If you want to accept citizenship in Australia, for
example, you have to renounce your former citizenship. Similarly, if
you accept knighthood, you by definition lose American citizenship (I
have a client who has been knighted).
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Vietnam Vet wrote:
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
Doubtful. Such a person cannot use his/her US citizenship as
grounds for admission, but if a citizen of another country, and
there is some agreement on visits between those countries, the
person may very well enter.
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Ken Smith wrote:
Similarly, if
you accept knighthood, you by definition lose American citizenship (I
have a client who has been knighted).
That's not true.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
That's not true.
I thought that was why Rudy Guiliani didn't accept knighthood from
the Brits. (And he might have been yanking my chain....)
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Ken Smith <forget@it.com> writes:
Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
I thought that was why Rudy Guiliani didn't accept knighthood from
the Brits. (And he might have been yanking my chain....)
The Constitution prohibits such things, but the Courts have ruled, if
I recall correctly, that nobody has standing to sue over it since
nobody is harmed by it...
I am sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. This is the internet. :-)
-Stephen
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Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
malchus842SP@AMgmail.com (remove SPAM to reply)
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"Ranger57@concentric.net" wrote:
If you want to accept citizenship in Australia, for
example, you have to renounce your former citizenship.
Not so. Australia used to have a blanket renunciatory statement
in their naturalization oath, but they took it out in 1986.
Rich Wales richw@richw.org http://www.richw.org
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. My comments are for discussion
purposes only and are not intended to be relied upon as legal or
professional advice.
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Rich Wales wrote:
"Ranger57@concentric.net" wrote:
Not so. Australia used to have a blanket renunciatory statement
in their naturalization oath, but they took it out in 1986.
I looked into it before that.
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
Vietnam Vet wrote:
Doubtful. Such a person cannot use his/her US citizenship as
grounds for admission, but if a citizen of another country, and
there is some agreement on visits between those countries, the
person may very well enter.
The OP was probably refering to a catch-22 rule against former US
citizens applying to immigrate to USA : USA has an annual quota for each
foreign country for immigrants and the USA considers each applicant
against the quota of the country he was born in (regardless of which
foreign country they actually live in or are a citizen of). For a long
time this meant former US citizens that were born in USA could not apply
for an immigrant visa since there was no quote available for immigrants
from USA! Even though this catch-22 did not directly impact temporary
visa, each INS officer at the border is required by law to refuse entry
(and inform them that they need to apply for an immigrant visa) to
anyone they believe is planning to stay permanantly in the USA, and it
is possible that being a former US citizen was considered sufficient
reason by some INS officers.
However this catch-22 flaw in the law has been fixed and there is now a
large seperate immigration quota for former US citizens, so they can
get an immigrant visa for the asking : of course it is still another 5
years after that before they can get their US citizenship back (or 3
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The OP was probably refering to a catch-22 rule against former US
citizens applying to immigrate to USA : USA has an annual quota for
each foreign country for immigrants and the USA considers each
applicant against the quota of the country he was born in (regardless
of which foreign country they actually live in or are a citizen of).
For a long time this meant former US citizens that were born in USA
could not apply for an immigrant visa since there was no quote
available for immigrants from USA! Even though this catch-22 did not
directly impact temporary visa, each INS officer at the border is
required by law to refuse entry (and inform them that they need to
apply for an immigrant visa) to anyone they believe is planning to stay
permanantly in the USA, and it is possible that being a former US
citizen was considered sufficient reason by some INS officers.<br>
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However this catch-22 flaw in the law has been fixed and there is now a
large seperate immigration quota for former US citizens, so they can
get an immigrant visa for the asking : of course it is still another 5
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Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
just move to another country.
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:17:15 -0500, Vietnam Vet <none@mailbox.com> in
misc.legal, wrote the following:
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
Also not true: if that had been the case, Elizabeth Taylor, for example,
would have never been able to do her US films while married to Burton
(born with dual British and American citizenship, she renounced her
American citizenship during the period she was first married to Burton;
she regained it by administrative fiat while she was married to Sen.
John Warner; while she is now divorced from Warner, she retains her US
citizenship).
Further, there is nothing in the US law which states that once
renounced, a former US citizen cannot re-enter the US as a citizen from
another country (if stateless, however, there are definite problems, see
below)
If you wish to become the citizen of another country, and renounce your
American citizenship, you must fill out specific forms to do so - the
intent to renounce must be clear and affirmed in this form and sworn to
before a US consular official.
The mere act of accepting citizenship in another country does not
automatically cause you to lose your US citizenship. Dual nationality
(those possessing citizenship in both the US and other countries without
formal renunciation of either citizenship) is allowed under US
Department of State rules.
See the US Department of State [DOS] requirements for dual nationality
at
http://travel.state.gov/travel/dualnationality.html
Dual Nationality
As for formal renunciation of citizenship, see
http://travel.state.gov/law/loss.html
Possible Loss of U. S. Citizenship and Dual Nationality
http://travel.state.gov/law/renunciation.html
Renunciation of US Citizenship
Note the DOS caveat in the latter URL about renouncing one's citizenship
with the United States _without_ having citizenship in another country
secured. If you are not a citizen of another country at the time you
renounce, you are officially called a "stateless person" and will have
extraordinary problems in traveling _anywhere_ in the world, not just
the US.
Based upon the _reasons_ you give for renouncing may also invalidate
your renunciation (avoidance of selective service, paying taxes, etc.).
Renouncing citizenship is irrevocable, if done over the age of 18
(unless certain conditions apply, covered by statute). So, I wouldn't
think that most people should consider renouncing citizenship over
something as trivial as the 2004 election results.
Who knows? in four years, you will definitely have a different leader
(Bush can't run again), and if you want to see your political position
advanced, renouncing your citizenship is definitely no way to influence
the next election that your voice will be heard, for you will not be
able to vote.
Also remember that depending upon your status with your new country, you
may not always be able to vote there as well.
--
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, J.D.
DISCLAIMER:
Not a practicing attorney, and no attorney-client relationship
is created. This response is for discussion purposes only. It
isn't meant to be legal advice. If you wish legal advice, seek
out an attorney in your own state who is familar with your
state's laws and applications thereof.
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Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
That's a very hasty decision. You know that you can't change your
mind later, even if conditions change for (what you believe to be)
the better. We know very little about the future. One item that is
known
is that four years from now, someone other than President Bush will
be holding the title of "President Elect". Maybe he'll be a
Republican,
maybe he'll be a Democrat. Nobody knows at this point.
I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is ruled by
terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the war
began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not. Now, I
will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
First, you just can't move to Canada, unless you also have Canadian
citizenship. You will have to apply to immigrate like anyone else.
IF you qualify to immigrate, it takes about one year to process an
application, and you can't go to Canada until all the processing is
done.
So, it would be at least one year from now before you'd be able to go
there.
On top of that, you "shouldn't" renounce citizenship until you first
have another
one, since that would leave you stateless. It takes three years to
qualify
for Canadian citizenship, after you have been granted permanent
resident status,
and it takes about one year to process the application for
citizenship. So, even if you
were able to move to Canada some time in 2006, it wouldn't be until
2010 before you'd
be a Canadian citizen.
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
You can't do it in the United States, in any case. You have to do it
abroad.
But, seriously reconsider what you're doing. If you want to try
living abroad,
then try it if you can. You may seriously regret what you do, and you
won't be
able to undo it.
Thanks
Me
Go to a US Embassy/Consulate anywhere in the world and tell the
people there what you want to do (you cannot do it while in the
US or any of its territories).
They'll take it from there!
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
No. Renouncing citizenship does not bar a person from ever entering
the US, although he would be subject to the same entry requirements
as any other non-US citizen. A person who renounces citizenship
"with the intention of avoiding US taxation" is permanently barred
from
entering. (For those that don't know, the US is one of a small group
of
countries that subject all their citizens to income and establish
taxes,
even if they live abroad, and even if the income or assets were from
foreign sources).
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Similarly, if
you accept knighthood, you by definition lose American citizenship (I
have a client who has been knighted).
No, you don't.
That's not true.
I thought that was why Rudy Guiliani didn't accept knighthood from
the Brits. (And he might have been yanking my chain....)
Rudy Giuliani was granted an honorary knighthood, as have several other
Americans in the past. Britain reserves full knighthood for persons who are
citizens of countries where the Queen reigns. So while he can't be called
Sir Rudy, his name can be written as Rudolph Giuliani KBE (Knight of the
British Empire).
The Constitution prohibits such things, but the Courts have ruled, if
I recall correctly, that nobody has standing to sue over it since
nobody is harmed by it...
I am sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. This is the internet. :-)
No, the US Constitution doesn't prohibit ordinary US citizens from accepting
titles of nobility.
It says in Article I, Section 9:
"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person
holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent
of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any
kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state. "
In other words, the US cannot grant titles of nobility, and nobody holding
a political office under the US government can accept a title from a
foreign country, without Congressional approval.
A US citizen who doesn't hold such a position is free to accept such a title
if the other country wants to grant it, and a person who holds a political
position would be free to accept the title once he left that office.
Stephen Gallagher
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Developwebsites wrote:
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
just move to another country.
Bull#@($!
--
"I don't see any way of winning" [in Vietnam]
-- President Lyndon Johnson privately to
Defense Secretary McNamara 1965
"America wins the wars that she undertakes.
Make no mistake about it!"
-- President Lyndon Johnson public speech
1965 re: Vietnam War
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Arthur L. Rubin wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
That's not true.
Military @$#*tards aren't the sharpest tacks in the box.
--
"I don't see any way of winning" [in Vietnam]
-- President Lyndon Johnson privately to
Defense Secretary McNamara 1965
"America wins the wars that she undertakes.
Make no mistake about it!"
-- President Lyndon Johnson public speech
1965 re: Vietnam War
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
That's a very hasty decision. You know that you can't change your
mind later, even if conditions change for (what you believe to be)
the better.
Complete bull#@($!
If he is BORN a U$ citizen, he can ALWAYS recover that citizenship
birthright.
We know very little about the future. One item that is
known is that four years from now, someone other than President Bush will
be holding the title of "President Elect". Maybe he'll be a
Republican,
maybe he'll be a Democrat. Nobody knows at this point.
I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is ruled
by terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the
war began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not.
Now, I will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
First, you just can't move to Canada, unless you also have Canadian
citizenship.
More Bull#@($ from the idiot. Of course he can just move to Canada,
no visa is required to visit there. If he wants to emigrate permanently,
he can simply apply.
You will have to apply to immigrate like anyone else.
Ibid.
IF you qualify to immigrate, it takes about one year to process an
application, and you can't go to Canada until all the processing is
done.
More bull#@($. He can apply from inside Canada under their law.
So, it would be at least one year from now before you'd be able to go
there.
On top of that, you "shouldn't" renounce citizenship until you first
have another one, since that would leave you stateless.
Who cares? Many moral countries will accept "stateless" persons seeking
asylum.
It takes three years to
qualify for Canadian citizenship, after you have been granted permanent
resident status, and it takes about one year to process the application
for
citizenship. So, even if you were able to move to Canada some time in
2006, it wouldn't be until
2010 before you'd be a Canadian citizen.
So? He can be "stateless" while he resides in Canada, or in many other
countries.
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my citizenship or have
some sort of documentation.
You can't do it in the United States, in any case. You have to do it
abroad.
You finally got one item correct.
But, seriously reconsider what you're doing.
Why?
If you want to try
living abroad,
then try it if you can. You may seriously regret what you do, and you
won't be able to undo it.
Like illegally attacking and invading Iraq, murdering 100,000+ civilians in
the process? Bu$h and his Junta don't regret that.
Thanks
Me
No. Renouncing citizenship does not bar a person from ever entering
the US,
Correct again.
although he would be subject to the same entry requirements
as any other non-US citizen.
Not true in all cases.
A person who renounces citizenship
"with the intention of avoiding US taxation" is permanently barred
from entering.
Irrelevant. He has stated he is expatriating due to the fascism and
corruption of the U$ Repugnikkkunts, not "taxation"
(For those that don't know, the US is one of a small group
of countries that subject all their citizens to income and establish
taxes, even if they live abroad, and even if the income or assets were
from
foreign sources).
Tyranny!!
--
"I don't see any way of winning" [in Vietnam]
-- President Lyndon Johnson privately to
Defense Secretary McNamara 1965
"America wins the wars that she undertakes.
Make no mistake about it!"
-- President Lyndon Johnson public speech
1965 re: Vietnam War
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Theodore A. Kaldis wrote:
me@myplace.com wrote:
Don't let the door slap yer backside on the way out.
Fuck your mother Ted, for bringing a lowlife piece of #@($ like
you into this world.
--
"I don't see any way of winning" [in Vietnam]
-- President Lyndon Johnson privately to
Defense Secretary McNamara 1965
"America wins the wars that she undertakes.
Make no mistake about it!"
-- President Lyndon Johnson public speech
1965 re: Vietnam War
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In article <zIwjd.30$Og3.68475@news.uswest.net>,
"_Breaking News_" <news@usenet.net> wrote:
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
Complete bull#@($!
If he is BORN a U$ citizen, he can ALWAYS recover that citizenship
birthright.
Try reading before speaking. This took me all of 42 seconds to find:
http://travel.state.gov/law/renunciation.html
Mr Gallagher is correct. Once you renounce your citizenship, it's done.
period. You can't come back. You are rejected utterly from American
soil. That's why they do not let you renounce your citizenship while
inside this country, because you become persona-non-grata on our soil,
and unlike most illegal immigrants (which you would then become) we
wouldn't know where to send you back to.
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In article <zIwjd.30$Og3.68475@news.uswest.net>,
"_Breaking News_" <news@usenet.net> wrote:
Try reading before speaking. This took me all of 42 seconds to find:
http://travel.state.gov/law/renunciation.html
Mr Gallagher is correct. Once you renounce your citizenship, it's done.
period. You can't come back. You are rejected utterly from American
soil. That's why they do not let you renounce your citizenship while
inside this country, because you become persona-non-grata on our soil,
and unlike most illegal immigrants (which you would then become) we
wouldn't know where to send you back to.
Why can't they simply live as "freemen" under the common law?
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In article <Hnxjd.143980$Pl.81735@pd7tw1no>,
"Tylr rden" <t__dr(@.=xG.ogr> wrote:
Why can't they simply live as "freemen" under the common law?
They can. But renouncing your citizenship is a statement saying "I
don't /want/ to live as a free man under the laws of the United States."
The act of renunciation, is in and of itself a rejection of that option.
All they'd have to do to live as free men under common law...is to not
renunce their citizenship.
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In article <Hnxjd.143980$Pl.81735@pd7tw1no>,
"Tylr rden" <t__dr(@.=xG.ogr> wrote:
They can. But renouncing your citizenship is a statement saying "I
don't /want/ to live as a free man under the laws of the United States."
Asuming the law is based soley on preservation of freedom and liberty.
The act of renunciation, is in and of itself a rejection of that option.
It may simply be a renunciation of oppressive "law".
All they'd have to do to live as free men under common law...is to not
renunce their citizenship.
You really believe that all the laws being written conform perfectly to our
common law doctrine?
How many laws violate s.39 of the Great Charter of Liberty?
39. No freeman shall be taken, or imprisoned, or disseized, or outlawed, or
exiled, or in any way harmed--nor will we go upon or send upon him--save by
the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.
40. To none will we sell, to none deny or delay, right or justice.
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Stephen M. Adams wrote:
I thought that was why Rudy Guiliani didn't accept knighthood from
the Brits. (And he might have been yanking my chain....)
The Constitution prohibits such things, but the Courts have ruled, if
I recall correctly, that nobody has standing to sue over it since
nobody is harmed by it...
Please provide a cite for this if you have it. The only provision I
know of prohibits a government employee from accepting things from a
foreign power, it has no application to private citizens.
I am sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong. This is the internet. :-)
You got that right. :)
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Tylr rden wrote:
You really believe that all the laws being written conform perfectly to our
common law doctrine?
How many laws violate s.39 of the Great Charter of Liberty?
39. No freeman shall be taken, or imprisoned, or disseized, or outlawed, or
exiled, or in any way harmed--nor will we go upon or send upon him--save by
the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.
40. To none will we sell, to none deny or delay, right or justice.
The U.S. Government is not a signatory to the Magna Charta and it is
thus not applicable nor does it have any legal standing.
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Paul Robinson <postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us> wrote:
Tyl=EAr =D0=FBrden=B0=B1=B2=B3 wrote:
The U.S. Government is not a signatory to the Magna Charta and it is=20
thus not applicable nor does it have any legal standing.
'merika's gotta big army, y'all better obey there laws!
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Due to the results of the election,
I want to renounce my American citizenship.
That's a very hasty decision. You know that you can't change your
mind later, even if conditions change for (what you believe to be)
the better.
Complete bull#@($!
If he is BORN a U$ citizen, he can ALWAYS recover that citizenship
birthright.
From the US State Department website on
renunciation of citizenship:
G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION
Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should
understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section
351 of the INA, and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful
administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides
that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the
age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she
makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months
after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of
Federal Regulations, section 50.20).
Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can
manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider
the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before
taking this serious and irrevocable action. If you have any further
questions regarding this matter, please contact the Director, Office
of Policy Review & Interagency Liaison, Bureau of Consular Affairs,
U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520.
We know very little about the future. One item that is
known is that four years from now, someone other than President Bush will
be holding the title of "President Elect". Maybe he'll be a
Republican,
maybe he'll be a Democrat. Nobody knows at this point.
I do not want to be listed as a citizen of a country that is ruled
by terrorists, and Bush IS a terrorist. I considered it after the
war began, but since Bush was not "properly" elected, I did not.
Now, I will, and even plan to move to Canada if at all possible.
First, you just can't move to Canada, unless you also have Canadian
citizenship.
More Bull#@($ from the idiot. Of course he can just move to Canada,
no visa is required to visit there.
Moving and visiting are two different things. If you go there
by yourself, then you'll probably be admitted as a visitor
(which only entitles you to stay for six months and does not
entitle you to work). If you show up with a truckload of your
household possessions, it will be a clue that you intend to
stay for more than six months.
As stated, you won't be legally allowed to work. And the fact
that a person simply decided to "move" to Canada without permission
would be indicative that he would not be of good character,
since he does not obey the rules that are in place.
If he wants to emigrate permanently,
he can simply apply.
Applying from within Canada normally reserved for
the spouses of someone alrady resident in Canada, or
for people who are already in Canada on a work permit.
They don't allow people who want to apply on their own
to come to Canada and wait out the application. They
require an application from abroad.
You will have to apply to immigrate like anyone else.
Ibid.
More bull#@($. He can apply from inside Canada under their law.
Applying from within Canada normally reserved for
the spouses of someone alrady resident in Canada, or
for people who are already in Canada on a work permit.
They don't allow people who want to apply on their own
to come to Canada and wait out the application. They
require an application from abroad.
So, it would be at least one year from now before you'd be able to go
there.
On top of that, you "shouldn't" renounce citizenship until you first
have another one, since that would leave you stateless.
Who cares? Many moral countries will accept "stateless" persons seeking
asylum.
And many won't.
It takes three years to
qualify for Canadian citizenship, after you have been granted permanent
resident status, and it takes about one year to process the application
for
2006, it wouldn't be until
So? He can be "stateless" while he resides in Canada, or in many other
countries.
Lots of things can happen in the meantime.
You finally got one item correct.
Why?
Because, many people regret making rash decisions.
If you want to try
living abroad,
then try it if you can. You may seriously regret what you do, and you
won't be able to undo it.
Like illegally attacking and invading Iraq, murdering 100,000+ civilians in
the process? Bu$h and his Junta don't regret that.
I doubt that the person who posted this message is either
President Bush or any of the people to which you refer.
Thanks
Me
Go to a US Embassy/Consulate anywhere in the world and tell the
people there what you want to do (you cannot do it while in the
US or any of its territories).
They'll take it from there!
P.S.,anybody who renounces his/her US citizenship is completely
and permenently barred from entering the US.So....adios,Comrade!
No. Renouncing citizenship does not bar a person from ever entering
the US,
Correct again.
Not true in all cases.
Irrelevant. He has stated he is expatriating due to the fascism and
corruption of the U$ Repugnikkkunts, not "taxation"
Very relevant. The decision on whether he is expatriating
to evade US taxation is determined by the Internal Revenue
Service, not what he tells the State Department. If his
assets (cash, stocks, pensions, 401Ks & IRAs, properties,
loans made to others) exceed a certain amount then he is
presumed to have given up citizenship to avoid taxation.
He can apply to the IRS for a ruling, but they won't allow
him to apply for a ruling if he's stateless. Normally, he
can only apply for a ruling if he was both a citizen of
the US and a citizen of the other country from the moment
of birth, or if he has become a citizen of the country
where he was born, where one of his parents was born, or
where his spouse was born. Taking on any other citizenship
or becoming stateless excludes a person from applying for
a ruling.
Additionally, a person who spent no more than 30 days per
year in the US, during each year of the ten years prior to
giving up citizenship may request a ruling.
(For those t
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Tylr rden wrote:
The U.S. Government is not a signatory to the Magna Charta and it is
thus not applicable nor does it have any legal standing.
So what "common law" were you referring to? I was under the impression [from
reading historical accounts] that much of the US Constitution was framed
after the common law preserved in the Great Charter.
http://www.independencevisitorcenter.com/happenings/magnacarta-timeline.htm
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soil. That's why they do not let you renounce your citizenship while
inside this country, because you become persona-non-grata on our soil,
and unlike most illegal immigrants (which you would then become) we
wouldn't know where to send you back to.
Every Mexican in LA should renounce his Mexican citizenship.
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"me@myplace.com" wrote:
Does anyone know how to go about renouncing my
citizenship or have some sort of documentation.
"Developwebsites" replied:
just move to another country.
You're not seriously saying you believe that settling in another
country will result in automatic loss of US citizenship, are you?
(Some people do believe this, but it simply isn't true.)
Or are you simply saying that you feel the original poster can
satisfy his concerns by moving abroad, without needing to go to
the additional trouble of formally renouncing his US citizenship?
Rich Wales richw@richw.org http://www.richw.org
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. My comments are for discussion
purposes only and are not intended to be relied upon as legal or
professional advice.
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