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Wednesday, November 3, 2004
Christian Taliban
This post is blatantly stolen from a diary by "galiel" on DailyKos:
This is not about Republicans or Democrats.
This is not about the war.
This is not about the economy.
This is not even about counting the votes.
This is the final step in the 20-year creeping coup by the theocrats, the
Dominionists.
In the House and the Senate, the theocrats made dramatic advances, far
beyond the number of seats that switched parties. On the GOP side, they
have replaced moderates with zealots, and have significantly strengthened
the support for the main theocrat bills that will be reintroduced in the
new Congress.
You can hear it in the media's codewords: this election did NOT turn on
Iraq or the economy or security, it turned on "moral values", the
politically correct code-word for theocratic values, i.e., placing one's
religion above the laws of man. Exit polls show that "moral values" were
the most common #1 concern among voters, and that among those who marked
"moral values" as their primary concern, 80% voted for Bush. Every state
that had a same-sex marriage ban up for decision voted the theocrat way.
Diaries :: galiel's diary ::
When analysis of local races around the nation becomes available, it will
become clear that theocrats have advanced everywhere, gaining control of
even more school boards, gaining even more representation in city councils,
winning even more seats in state legislatures.
Make no mistake, this election was the keystone of the theocrat coup. All
that is left now is carrying out the agenda and changing the laws of this
nation irrevocably to gut the Bill of Rights and establish a Dominionist
government in America.
IN the coming days, Reinquist and others will resign, including half of the
exhausted courageous liberals and moderates who held the line longer than
anyone expected, and Bush will appoint a solid theocrat majority to the
Supreme Court, and the Dems will not be able to stop it, fillibuster or
not. The Dominionists have enough stealth candidates to push through like
they pushed through Thomas, and the public pressure will be irressistible.
In the next four years, theocrats will fill life-time appointments in the
judiciary all over the nation, and essentially open the gates for the
coming theocratic legislative agenda.
The administration will complete the overhaul of the science advisory
committees and the Dept of Health and Human Services, laying the ground
work for the overturning of Roe v. Wade and ending all biological research
deemed objectionable to the theocrats.
They will complete their overhaul of the Education Department, starting a
process of eliminating evolution from the national debate and working with
the local and state boards, where they have now increased their control, to
introduce creationism into the curriculum.
They will complete their overhaul of the Energy, Agriculture, Interior and
EPA, which are already ridden with theocrats who reject the theory of
evolution, and thus the concept of "fossil fuels", believing instead that
their god has placed energy resources in the earth in just the right
amounts for human domination of nature.
As soon as the theocrat majority is esconsed in the Supreme Court, Congress
will pass three key theocrat bills, which already passed the House this
time around and will pass the Senate next time around:
The Marriage Protection Act, which would bar federal courts, including the
Supreme Court from intervening in cases involving a state's recognition of
another state's civil rights bills regarding marriage;
The Pledge Preservation Act, which would bar the federal courts, including
the Supreme Court, from hearing challenges to the "Under God" part of the
pledge;
The big one, the Constitution Restoration Act, which would bar the federal
courts, including the Supreme Court, from hearing any challenges to
violations of the Establishment Clause, the bill having been written by
Harb Titus, who defended former Judge Roy Moore, the "Ten Commandments"
judges. The bill goes even further, potentially barring challenges to the
constiutionality of state laws, for example, mandating stoning for
adultery, if such laws are based on Old Testament rationale.
(I know you read this and think, "ridiculous, this could never happen
here". You have a choice now, you can listen to those of us who have been
predicting the current outcome for a long time, or you can continue to
listen to those who predicted a different outcome and who still
misinterpret actual results according to a Pollyanish worldview that
refuses to acknowledge the critical danger to our nation and think this is
"just another bad election")
Now, most people don't understand what is really going on here.
They focus on homophobia as the issue, or they trivialize the Pledge issue
as not being critical to Separation traditions.
The real point is that the theocrats are constricting the courts' ability
to challenge the establishment of religion in this country. Making this a
Christian Dominionist nation based on literal interpretation of Old
Testament law is an explicit part of the theocrat agenda.
I warned before the election that they were one victory away, and that they
would win no matter what the actual vote was, because they are zealots who
would do anything to win, including fraud on a massive scale that folks
here just don't want to even concieve, because they have never looked
radical religious extremism in the face the way I have, having lived in
Israel for 13 years in the past.
The theocrats will not be stopped, because Americans refuse to believe that
it could happen here.
It is just like Germany in the 20's---not like McCarthyism in the 50's.
This is far worse, but denial is rampant, because we just don't want to
believe that our America could fall to Christian Taliban.
We've already reached the tipping point. It is only a matter of time,
unless people wake up--and I don't think they will, the taboo on
confronting the dark side of religion is just too strong here in America.
What about Ohio, you say?
The judges deciding matters in Ohio, like the two judges that allowed
challenges inside the polling places, are theocrats - one was the author of
the original draft of the Thornburgh brief urging the Supreme Court to
overturn Roe V. Wade, the other was the dissenting voice in cases about 10
Commandment displays on government property.
You think it is a coincidence that Ohio is the first place where statewide,
the teaching of creationism has been mandated in science class?
Wake up, America!
Thus, the election is already over, even though I personally think that
Kerry won, not only Ohio, but states like Florida, and may even have won
the popular vote, so deep is the fraud, led by the electronic voting
machines--not just those people actually use to vote, but far more
significantly those used to tally the votes, carefully placed in key
districts, carefully managed behind the scenes, vote totals manipulated
with no way for an audit or verification.
But, unless you understand who is actually behind this election victory,
you probably dismiss that as hysterical tin-foil
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Wednesday, November 3, 2004
Christian Taliban
This post is blatantly stolen from a diary by "galiel" on DailyKos:
This is not about Republicans or Democrats.
This is not about the war.
This is not about the economy.
This is not even about counting the votes.
This is the final step in the 20-year creeping coup by the theocrats, the
Dominionists.
In the House and the Senate, the theocrats made dramatic advances, far
beyond the number of seats that switched parties. On the GOP side, they
have replaced moderates with zealots, and have significantly strengthened
the support for the main theocrat bills that will be reintroduced in the
new Congress.
You can hear it in the media's codewords: this election did NOT turn on
Iraq or the economy or security, it turned on "moral values", the
politically correct code-word for theocratic values, i.e., placing one's
religion above the laws of man. Exit polls show that "moral values" were
the most common #1 concern among voters, and that among those who marked
"moral values" as their primary concern, 80% voted for Bush. Every state
that had a same-sex marriage ban up for decision voted the theocrat way.
With the understanding that "Theocratic values" is only a code word for the
type of power, control and focus of psychotic MEN ... and has nothing to do
with either the bible, god or Jesus Christ.
Those "christians", when faced with the historical facts of events like the
Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials,
the house arrest of Galileo, the torture and murder of non-chritians in the
third century - ALWAYS explain it away by bellowing that they are not "true
Christians" .. or that they are a volcal minority.
What they REFUSE to see is the FACT that people like Pat Robertson, Jerry
Falwell, James Kennedy, George Bush and others - are EXACTLY THE SAME as
those demons from history!
Diaries :: galiel's diary ::
When analysis of local races around the nation becomes available, it will
become clear that theocrats have advanced everywhere, gaining control of
even more school boards, gaining even more representation in city
councils,
winning even more seats in state legislatures.
As was described by Pat Robertson, years ago, in his plan to "take over
America for (what he calls) christianity".
Make no mistake, this election was the keystone of the theocrat coup. All
that is left now is carrying out the agenda and changing the laws of this
nation irrevocably to gut the Bill of Rights and establish a Dominionist
government in America.
IN the coming days, Reinquist and others will resign, including half of
the
exhausted courageous liberals and moderates who held the line longer than
anyone expected, and Bush will appoint a solid theocrat majority to the
Supreme Court, and the Dems will not be able to stop it, fillibuster or
not. The Dominionists have enough stealth candidates to push through like
they pushed through Thomas, and the public pressure will be irressistible.
In the next four years, theocrats will fill life-time appointments in the
judiciary all over the nation, and essentially open the gates for the
coming theocratic legislative agenda.
The administration will complete the overhaul of the science advisory
committees and the Dept of Health and Human Services, laying the ground
work for the overturning of Roe v. Wade and ending all biological research
deemed objectionable to the theocrats.
They will complete their overhaul of the Education Department, starting a
process of eliminating evolution from the national debate and working with
the local and state boards, where they have now increased their control,
to
introduce creationism into the curriculum.
They will complete their overhaul of the Energy, Agriculture, Interior and
EPA, which are already ridden with theocrats who reject the theory of
evolution, and thus the concept of "fossil fuels", believing instead that
their god has placed energy resources in the earth in just the right
amounts for human domination of nature.
As soon as the theocrat majority is esconsed in the Supreme Court,
Congress
will pass three key theocrat bills, which already passed the House this
time around and will pass the Senate next time around:
The Marriage Protection Act, which would bar federal courts, including the
Supreme Court from intervening in cases involving a state's recognition of
another state's civil rights bills regarding marriage;
The Pledge Preservation Act, which would bar the federal courts, including
the Supreme Court, from hearing challenges to the "Under God" part of the
pledge;
The big one, the Constitution Restoration Act, which would bar the federal
courts, including the Supreme Court, from hearing any challenges to
violations of the Establishment Clause, the bill having been written by
Harb Titus, who defended former Judge Roy Moore, the "Ten Commandments"
judges. The bill goes even further, potentially barring challenges to the
constiutionality of state laws, for example, mandating stoning for
adultery, if such laws are based on Old Testament rationale.
(I know you read this and think, "ridiculous, this could never happen
here". You have a choice now, you can listen to those of us who have been
predicting the current outcome for a long time, or you can continue to
listen to those who predicted a different outcome and who still
misinterpret actual results according to a Pollyanish worldview that
refuses to acknowledge the critical danger to our nation and think this is
"just another bad election")
Now, most people don't understand what is really going on here.
They focus on homophobia as the issue, or they trivialize the Pledge issue
as not being critical to Separation traditions.
The real point is that the theocrats are constricting the courts' ability
to challenge the establishment of religion in this country. Making this a
Christian Dominionist nation based on literal interpretation of Old
Testament law is an explicit part of the theocrat agenda.
I warned before the election that they were one victory away, and that
they
would win no matter what the actual vote was, because they are zealots who
would do anything to win, including fraud on a massive scale that folks
here just don't want to even concieve, because they have never looked
radical religious extremism in the face the way I have, having lived in
Israel for 13 years in the past.
The theocrats will not be stopped, because Americans refuse to believe
that
it could happen here.
It is just like Germany in the 20's---not like McCarthyism in the 50's.
This is far worse, but denial is rampant, because we just don't want to
believe that our America could fall to Christian Taliban.
We've already reached the tipping point. It is only a matter of time,
unless people wake up--and I don't think they will, the taboo on
confronting the dark side of religion is just too s
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
Those "christians", when faced with the historical facts of events like
the
Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials,
the house arrest of Galileo, the torture and murder of non-chritians in
the
third century - ALWAYS explain it away by bellowing that they are not
"true
Christians" .. or that they are a volcal minority.
And that those sorts of expressions are a shame to us, and in the last four
hundred years, we've tried to be a little better.
Atheists, on the other hand, were the great murderers of the last century,
neh?
What they REFUSE to see is the FACT that people like Pat Robertson, Jerry
Falwell, James Kennedy, George Bush and others - are EXACTLY THE SAME as
those demons from history!
Oh, sorry; didn't realize you were an idiot.
nevermind.
As was described by Pat Robertson, years ago, in his plan to "take over
America for (what he calls) christianity".
'Protocols of the Elders of Christ'?
gee; familiar ring.
Chas
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Chas wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
And that those sorts of expressions are a shame to us, and in the last four
hundred years, we've tried to be a little better.
Atheists, on the other hand, were the great murderers of the last century,
neh?
Hitler certainly wasn't an atheist. The Romanian Iron Guard were
explicitly Christian, and guilty of atrocities that caused even SS
officers to hide Jews from them. Stalin, who knows? He was educated in a
seminary. The thing that was getting people killed though, was perceived
opposition to the state in his case. Although the Communists did
persecute the Orthodox Church, it was allowed to continue to exist, and
being a member of it didn't automatically get you sent to the gulag.
Making fun of Stalin's mustache did.
What they REFUSE to see is the FACT that people like Pat Robertson, Jerry
Falwell, James Kennedy, George Bush and others - are EXACTLY THE SAME as
those demons from history!
Oh, sorry; didn't realize you were an idiot.
nevermind.
Maybe not exactly the same, but very close in mentality, I'm afraid.
'Protocols of the Elders of Christ'?
gee; familiar ring.
Yeah, but in this case, Robertson actually wrote them, not the Russian
Okrhana.
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"Nivlem" <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote
Hitler certainly wasn't an atheist.
No; he was a pagan who vowed to extirpate Christianity from Germany- and who
killed far more Christians than any other religious group.
The Romanian Iron Guard were explicitly Christian, and guilty of
atrocities that caused even SS officers to hide Jews from them.
They have been on the front line with muslims for too long.
Stalin, who knows?
and who's left to tell?
He was educated in a seminary. The thing that was getting people killed
though, was perceived opposition to the state in his case.
the aggressively atheist State, ims.
Although the Communists did persecute the Orthodox Church, it was allowed
to continue to exist, and being a member of it didn't automatically get
you sent to the gulag. Making fun of Stalin's mustache did.
A distinctly unChristian posture- but of no moment to an atheist.
Chas
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:52:23 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nivlem" <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote
No; he was a pagan who vowed to extirpate Christianity from Germany- and who
killed far more Christians than any other religious group.
They have been on the front line with muslims for too long.
and who's left to tell?
the aggressively atheist State, ims.
Why is it so hard for you idiots to grasp just how much of a non-event
atheism is?
Although the Communists did persecute the Orthodox Church, it was allowed
to continue to exist, and being a member of it didn't automatically get
you sent to the gulag. Making fun of Stalin's mustache did.
A distinctly unChristian posture- but of no moment to an atheist.
Chas
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<GJadnb8Q4IIjDhbcRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
And that those sorts of expressions are a shame to us, and in the last four
hundred years, we've tried to be a little better.
Atheists, on the other hand, were the great murderers of the last century,
neh?
Assuming you're speaking of Stalin or Pol Pot, let's try to remember
they didn't kill in the name of atheism as christians of past (and
hopefully not the near future) have done in the name of christianity.
Stalin and Pol Pot killed because they sought power. Christians of the
past killed because they claim god told them to. Stalin and Pol Pot
killed because they were weak men. Christians killed because of their
weak god.
What they REFUSE to see is the FACT that people like Pat Robertson, Jerry
Falwell, James Kennedy, George Bush and others - are EXACTLY THE SAME as
those demons from history!
Oh, sorry; didn't realize you were an idiot.
nevermind.
Ah, perfect example, thanks.
Roger
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On 5 Nov 2004 14:15:58 -0800, crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews)
wrote:
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<GJadnb8Q4IIjDhbcRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
Assuming you're speaking of Stalin or Pol Pot, let's try to remember
they didn't kill in the name of atheism as christians of past (and
hopefully not the near future) have done in the name of christianity.
Stalin and Pol Pot killed because they sought power. Christians of the
past killed because they claim god told them to. Stalin and Pol Pot
killed because they were weak men. Christians killed because of their
weak god.
Remember, God told Bush to smite Iraq.
What they REFUSE to see is the FACT that people like Pat Robertson, Jerry
Falwell, James Kennedy, George Bush and others - are EXACTLY THE SAME as
those demons from history!
Oh, sorry; didn't realize you were an idiot.
nevermind.
Ah, perfect example, thanks.
Roger
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on 05 Nov 2004 in alt.atheism, Chas dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
And that those sorts of expressions are a shame to us, and in the last
four hundred years, we've tried to be a little better.
Atheists, on the other hand, were the great murderers of the last
century, neh?
Cite please. People don't murder others because of atheism. The biggest
causes of war are religion, racism and politics.
Oh, sorry; didn't realize you were an idiot.
nevermind.
Ad-hom attack? I see you have no comment on the issue at hand.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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"Roger Andrews" <crazybeast@my-deja.com> wrote
Assuming you're speaking of Stalin or Pol Pot, let's try to remember
they didn't kill in the name of atheism as christians of past (and
hopefully not the near future) have done in the name of christianity.
Sure they did- look at Mao as well. The imposition of atheism was a prime
motivator and goal- major area of indoctrination and re-education, not to
mention just outright killing them.
Stalin and Pol Pot killed because they sought power.
Gratuitous mass murder after assuming power is the distinction.
Christians of the
past killed because they claim god told them to.
The Holy Roman Empire was pretty murderous long before Constantine's
conversion and the ascension of that Church to State Mandated status.
Stalin and Pol Pot
killed because they were weak men. Christians killed because of their
weak god.
Remind me of Christ's direction to go forth and kill in His Name.
Chas
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
And that those sorts of expressions are a shame to us, and in the last
four
hundred years, we've tried to be a little better.
Atheists, on the other hand, were the great murderers of the last century,
neh?
..
Those who were atheists, and caused mass murders, were NOT mass murderers
using the guise of atheism.
Those who were "christian", and mass murderers. used their (distortion) of
religon as a reason to BE mass murderers.
Your argument is old, too often repeated, illogical, and only used by the
blatantly ignorant.
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"Nivlem" <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote
No; he was a pagan who vowed to extirpate Christianity from Germany- and
who
killed far more Christians than any other religious group.
OICUR an idiot!
Are you denying the holocaust too?
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"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<vvCdnYKBNawclhHcRVn-3Q@comcast.com>...
"Roger Andrews" <crazybeast@my-deja.com> wrote
Sure they did- look at Mao as well. The imposition of atheism was a prime
motivator and goal- major area of indoctrination and re-education, not to
mention just outright killing them.
Gratuitous mass murder after assuming power is the distinction.
The Holy Roman Empire was pretty murderous long before Constantine's
conversion and the ascension of that Church to State Mandated status.
Remind me of Christ's direction to go forth and kill in His Name.
The relationship between Christ and Christians is nearly zero. I like
Christ. But I would never label myself as a Christian. Christ was
indeed a pacifist. Christians, however, are clearly not.
Religion has the power to make men demonize their enemies and destroy
them without compassion. The message of Christ has been completely
lost. Surely there may be some good Christians out there, but I never
hear them. They are but a rain drop in a storm, and if they want to be
heard, then they need to separate themselves or educate the others.
The god of the Christians is a false god. False gods are weak. The
Christians worship none other than themselves.
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns95989A38DFB75vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 05 Nov 2004 in alt.atheism, Chas dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
<snip>
The biggest causes of war are religion, racism and politics.
Don't blame the weapon for the murder. Ideologies and events
are just mechanisms used by war-profiteers to enrage or scare
men into marching off to war. The profiteers end up with all the
booty. ;)
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
Those who were atheists, and caused mass murders, were NOT mass murderers
using the guise of atheism.
Not at all- the first fruits of the killing were re-education, wiping out
the priests and educators in the old system, the cultural revolutions and
celebration of the deity of society.
Those who were "christian", and mass murderers. used their (distortion) of
religon as a reason to BE mass murderers.
Nope; most conquered in the name of the Holy Roman Empire- Constantine was
an emperor before he mandated 'christianity' as his State Religion-
Your argument is old, too often repeated, illogical, and only used by the
blatantly ignorant.
interesting appraisal considering your answer was so weak.
Chas
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
No; he was a pagan who vowed to extirpate Christianity from Germany- and
who
OICUR an idiot!
Are you denying the holocaust too?
The German holocaust killed more Christians than any other religious group.
As did the Russian holocaust.
the Chinese did up a bunch of them as well.
So did Pol Pot, the Egyptians against the Copts, the fights in Lebanon,
Syria, S.Arabia-
Surely you're not just simpleminded- agenda driven?
Chas
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:<10opaivd1m6mk0f@corp.supernews.com>...
four
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Those who were atheists, and caused mass murders, were NOT mass murderers
using the guise of atheism.
Those who were "christian", and mass murderers. used their (distortion) of
religon as a reason to BE mass murderers.
I've read that a lot of times, and frankly, it seems like a
distinction without a difference.
Inspiration of the masses to hate the "other" involves competing
ideologies, whether it be Christian against Muslim (the crusades),
Muslim against Christian (most Islamic countries presently), Christian
against Jew (much of the Inquisition, and then Hitler), some form of
ideology antagonistic to faith (China, Russia, East Germany, etc), or
even Muslim against Christian and animist (Sudan). You may make Jesus
your god, or you may make Stalin your god, or you may make Mao your
god, or you may make Allah your god (with Mohammed his prophet and
Osama his warrior), but in *all* those cases, it's simply a matter of
an ideology in conflict with the one in power. If people *think*
differently, they're a threat to the power base. It's that simple.
Perhaps atheism qua atheism (lack of belief in god) hasn't inspired
trouble, but by that simplistic formula, neither has theism (plain old
belief in god). The problems always arise when the *power* of the
upper echelon of a predominant belief system (secular or religious) is
threatened by the belief system of another group.
The easy current example is determinedly secular France, and the
number of Muslim school girls evicted for wearing their head scarves.
Is a head scarf a threat? Of course not. But it is evidence that the
school girl has a personal conflict with assimilating into secular
France.
In other words, it is evidence that the first loyalty lies somewhere
else.
Same reason the Jews were persecuted in Rome.
Same reason the Christians were later persecuted in Rome.
Same reason Shi'a were persecuted in Iraq and Afghanistan, and
missionaries persecuted in China, and Jehovah's Witnesses and
Communists persecuted in Hitler's Germany even before Jews, and
Mormons and Native Americans persecuted in the US, and Quakers
persecuted in Massachusetts, and Catholicism outlawed in Georgia, and
on and on and on and on.
Your argument is old, too often repeated, illogical, and only used by the
blatantly ignorant.
Well, it may miss the point that humans are tribal, and the central
beliefs of a given tribe are, in fact, what *define* the tribe.
Nonetheless, it's an effective counter to the equally repeated,
illogical, and ignorant claims that religion is the primary proximate
cause of all the world's trouble.
It ain't.
Humans are.
That's why I'm changing my biological affiliation to generic mammal.
Sunny
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"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
Inspiration of the masses to hate the "other" involves competing
ideologies, whether it be Christian against Muslim (the crusades),
You do remember that the first seven of the Crusades were religious
pilgrimages, not military actions. It was all because Islam invaded the
area, conquered it, desecrated the holy sites, occupied it and does still-
as a tenet of religion.
You don't have to go after them, they come to you.
Muslim against Christian (most Islamic countries presently),
And every other religion, or lack thereof.
Christian against Jew (much of the Inquisition,
The State religion of the Holy Roman Empire v. Everybody- they killed more
Christians than Jews and Muslims added together.
.... and then Hitler),
Hitler was a pagan, dedicated to extirpating Christianity from Germany, and
killed more Christians than any other religion during his holocaust.
The easy current example is determinedly secular France, and the
number of Muslim school girls evicted for wearing their head scarves.
Is a head scarf a threat? Of course not. But it is evidence that the
school girl has a personal conflict with assimilating into secular
France.
Major question in Turkey as well, and a question from culture to culture in
Islam about the 'fashion' in which the head covering is worn.
You'll find that Sikhs have the same problems, as do people who affect
traditional Jewish habiliments, and gang chicks with do-rags.
That's why I'm changing my biological affiliation to generic mammal.
Be careful they don't declare you fit to eat.
Chas
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:52:23 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Nivlem" <mlml@svnspamsomeoneelse.net> wrote
No; he was a pagan who vowed to extirpate Christianity from Germany- and who
killed far more Christians than any other religious group.
Lying sack of christian dog #@($. Hitler was RCC.
The Romanian Iron Guard were explicitly Christian, and guilty of
atrocities that caused even SS officers to hide Jews from them.
They have been on the front line with muslims for too long.
and who's left to tell?
the aggressively atheist State, ims.
No, moron. Stalin would have learned in seminary how often the church
was hostile to the state. So, he placed the state in the position of
"God."
Although the Communists did persecute the Orthodox Church, it was allowed
to continue to exist, and being a member of it didn't automatically get
you sent to the gulag. Making fun of Stalin's mustache did.
A distinctly unChristian posture- but of no moment to an atheist.
A very Christian posture.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:50:11 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
Hitler was a pagan, dedicated to extirpating Christianity from Germany, and
killed more Christians than any other religion during his holocaust.
Hitler was a Christian. Specifically Catholic. Who told other
Christians he was doing the Lord's work. And they accepted this.
The holocaust was the culmination two millennia of institutionalised
anti-Semitism fostered by the church.
Your historical revision might work among the ignorant, but please try
to be more honest next time.
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
Hitler was a Christian. Specifically Catholic.
He was a pagan whose entire organization was formed in neo-teutonic paganist
romanticism; it was the 'wicca' of its day.
Surely you've seen it on tv, scholar that you are.
Who told other
Christians he was doing the Lord's work. And they accepted this.
What utter horse#@($.
You'll remember that it was a couple of million Christians that went and
stood up to him, and paid the price in blood to stop him.
Did the same thing when the Shintos stepped up with a religious agenda of
oppression.
Doing it again with the muslims.
'Thank you' would be sufficient from you.
The holocaust was the culmination two millennia of institutionalised
anti-Semitism fostered by the church.
the holocaust was the extermination of the ubermenschen- and most of them
were Christians. The Gypsies suffered a higher percentage of loss per capita
than the semites, and Catholics were particularly hit all the way from
Czechoslovakia to Poland.
And, 'anti-semitism' was pervasive long before Constantinian 'Christians'
had anything to say on the matter at all. The Israelites, much less the
Jews, have always held as a people apart- and that's a threat to many sorts
of social structures that are based on another loyalty than that.
Chas
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:04:01 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
He was a pagan whose entire organization was formed in neo-teutonic paganist
romanticism; it was the 'wicca' of its day.
Surely you've seen it on tv, scholar that you are.
Nope. It was Christianity with the added belief that there would be a
Teutonic saviour.
Who told other
Christians he was doing the Lord's work. And they accepted this.
What utter horse#@($.
Only in your self-imposed ignorance.
You'll remember that it was a couple of million Christians that went and
stood up to him, and paid the price in blood to stop him.
Bull#@($.
What he was doing domestically wasn't generally known outside Germany.
In spite of your rewriting history, WW2 was _not_ fought over the
holocaust.
Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 and those countries with a mutual
defence traty with Poland declared war on Germany.
The US didn't go to war with Germany until after Pearl Harbour:
Germany declared war on the US after the US declared it on Japan due
to Pearl Harbour.
Did the same thing when the Shintos stepped up with a religious agenda of
oppression.
Doing it again with the muslims.
'Thank you' would be sufficient from you.
For what, moron?
The holocaust was the culmination two millennia of institutionalised
anti-Semitism fostered by the church.
the holocaust was the extermination of the ubermenschen- and most of them
were Christians. The Gypsies suffered a higher percentage of loss per capita
than the semites, and Catholics were particularly hit all the way from
Czechoslovakia to Poland.
More bull#@($.
Do you seriously pretend that several million Jews weren't
exterminated in attempted genocide?
And, 'anti-semitism' was pervasive long before Constantinian 'Christians'
had anything to say on the matter at all. The Israelites, much less the
Jews, have always held as a people apart- and that's a threat to many sorts
of social structures that are based on another loyalty than that.
Encouraged by the churches.
Have you read MArtin Luther's writings on the Jews?
Chas
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:41:21 -0500, buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/
2004. Steal what you want. Powered by Scoop.
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http://blogs.iloha.net/blogalog/
Wednesday, November 3, 2004
Christian Taliban
This post is blatantly stolen from a diary by "galiel" on DailyKos:
This is not about Republicans or Democrats.
This is not about the war.
This is not about the economy.
This is not even about counting the votes.
This is the final step in the 20-year creeping coup by the theocrats, the
Dominionists.
[]
The theocrats will not be stopped, because Americans refuse to believe that
it could happen here.
It is just like Germany in the 20's---not like McCarthyism in the 50's.
This is far worse, but denial is rampant, because we just don't want to
believe that our America could fall to Christian Taliban.
I've been saying this for quite awhile.
We've already reached the tipping point. It is only a matter of time,
unless people wake up--and I don't think they will, the taboo on
confronting the dark side of religion is just too strong here in America.
Its over the edge and into freefall.
What about Ohio, you say?
The judges deciding matters in Ohio, like the two judges that allowed
challenges inside the polling places, are theocrats - one was the author of
the original draft of the Thornburgh brief urging the Supreme Court to
overturn Roe V. Wade, the other was the dissenting voice in cases about 10
Commandment displays on government property.
You think it is a coincidence that Ohio is the first place where statewide,
the teaching of creationism has been mandated in science class?
Wake up, America!
Too late.
Thus, the election is already over, even though I personally think that
Kerry won, not only Ohio, but states like Florida, and may even have won
the popular vote, so deep is the fraud, led by the electronic voting
machines--not just those people actually use to vote, but far more
significantly those used to tally the votes, carefully placed in key
districts, carefully managed behind the scenes, vote totals manipulated
with no way for an audit or verification.
But, unless you understand who is actually behind this election victory,
you probably dismiss that as hysterical tin-foil paranoia. Surely, you
think, the margins in places like Florida are beyond contesting.
That is because you still think this is just a struggle between two
competing parties in a democracy. That is because you just don't get it.
This was a coup.
All I can say is, the folks who predicted morning in America have egg on
their faces today, even as the struggle continues in Ohio. You choose who
to listen to. The future of America is at stake, not just the next four
years.
Because this is NOT about the surface issues.
I will write more about this in the coming days, when I get some sleep, can
see straight, rage turns to cold anger, and the agenda starts to unfold.
I honestly do not believe I will be heard, but I can't live with myself if
I don't at least try.
Too late. Too late. The Christian Taliban are in control.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:<10opaivd1m6mk0f@corp.supernews.com>...
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Those who were atheists, and caused mass murders, were NOT mass murderers
using the guise of atheism.
Those who were "christian", and mass murderers. used their (distortion) of
religon as a reason to BE mass murderers.
Your argument is old, too often repeated, illogical, and only used by the
blatantly ignorant.
Since the athiest beleives in nothing but himself, then his actions
would be a reflection of his values.
Remind me of the last time you heard of the Quakers "mass murdering"
anyone. Or the folks of the AME church. Heck, the Catholics have
been sweetie-pies for 80 odd years.
Just because someone goes forth and murders and makes an excuse later
does not paint the rest with the same brush. If that were true, then
the evidence of the Son of Sam getting messages from the black lab
next door should have you arguing for the removal of dogs. See what
kind of troublemakers they are?
Vince
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
Nope. It was Christianity with the added belief that there would be a
Teutonic saviour.
Go slap whoever told you that- he's an idiot and doesn't have your best
interests at heart.
In spite of your rewriting history, WW2 was _not_ fought over the
holocaust.
To which holocaust do you refer?
There were a lot of holocaust victims that just didn't like having Germans
around because they were invading their country-
The US didn't go to war with Germany until after Pearl Harbour:
Germany declared war on the US after the US declared it on Japan due
to Pearl Harbour.
Yup; Shintos and Pagans- both motivated by the idea of being divinely
chosen.
Do you seriously pretend that several million Jews weren't
exterminated in attempted genocide?
Of course not- there were *tens of millions* of Christian casualties; do you
seriously pretend that they were not 'exterminated in attempted genocide'?
How..... henocentristic.
Have you read MArtin Luther's writings on the Jews?
Sure- that's what happens to you on a Diet of Wurms.
Chas
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:46:47 -0700, "Chas"
<chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
Go slap whoever told you that- he's an idiot and doesn't have your best
interests at heart.
Bull#@($.
To which holocaust do you refer?
There were a lot of holocaust victims that just didn't like having Germans
around because they were invading their country-
Sigh.
The US didn't go to war with Germany until after Pearl Harbour:
Germany declared war on the US after the US declared it on Japan due
to Pearl Harbour.
Yup; Shintos and Pagans- both motivated by the idea of being divinely
chosen.
What the @$#* has this n on-sequitur got to do with it?
Do you seriously pretend that several million Jews weren't
exterminated in attempted genocide?
Of course not- there were *tens of millions* of Christian casualties; do you
seriously pretend that they were not 'exterminated in attempted genocide'?
How..... henocentristic.
IF and all you have so far is an unjustified assertion they were, tehy
wer killed by other christians.
Have you read MArtin Luther's writings on the Jews?
Sure- that's what happens to you on a Diet of Wurms.
<Plonk> the lying troll.
Chas
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Chas wrote:
Hitler certainly wasn't an atheist.
Hitler certainly wasn't and atheist, for he thought of himself as the
Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from Jewish domination. Yet he
despised Christinity for its Jewish roots, Jesus being Jewish, and so forth.
Hitler sought to replace Christianity by reviving the ancient Germanic
religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor, all to Wagner's music no doubt.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
The Romanian Iron Guard were
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