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On 5 Nov 2004 07:45:31 -0800, michaelmonheit@yahoo.com (Michael
Monheit) wrote:
Advertising is fine. So is legitimately informing the public.
But I think in all my years of practice, that the worst thing I have
seen is now posted in Google, by a Chinese web promotion company.
They are scamming the public, asking for $100 for worthless and
misleading information. They are also making money by reselling
Google ads from their site. Despite my complaints to Google and to
local Bar associations, the site remains up and is drawing in a lot of
traffic.
That's the worst thing you've seen in all those years of practice?
WoW! You're lucky.
Check out the harm that continues to come to untold thousands of women
who have been sold breast implants ... they oft lose their health,
their natural breast tissue, their insurance, their jobs ... and oft
the medical profession and the PR flacks claim they are "greedy" women
out to make a buck when they sue the manufacturers for faulty
implants.
The harm of Google deceit doesn't come close.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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Ilena Rose wrote:
Check out the harm that continues to come to untold thousands of women
who have been sold breast implants ...
They lose their money to lawyers....
It still has not been shown by scientific standards that any
woman has been harmed by breast implants. If the judges
properly admitted expert testimony to that effect, few
women would have collected damages. Unfortunately, many
judges use an incorrect standard for expert testimony.
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:04:05 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
It still has not been shown by scientific standards that any
woman has been harmed by breast implants.
That is utterly and totally absurd Arthur.
A nice Jewish boy like yourself should not be so naive ...
If what you said were true ... then "scientific standards" are
useless.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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Ilena Rose wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:04:05 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
That is utterly and totally absurd Arthur.
It may be absurd, but it's true. Even leaking implants have
not been shown (by other than US Legal standards) to have
caused harm.
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:31:48 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Ilena Rose wrote:
It may be absurd, but it's true. Even leaking implants have
not been shown (by other than US Legal standards) to have
caused harm.
You are absolutely and totally wrong.
Here is just one example:
http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
November/December 2001
Fibromyalgia and Ruptured Silicone Gel Breast Implants
Women whose silicone breast implants have ruptured and spread silicone
gel beyond the fibrous scar that forms around the implant may be at
increased risk for fibromyalgia, an FDA study indicates.
FDA researchers asked 344 women with silicone gel implants if they had
experienced persistent joint pain, swelling or stiffness; rash on
their breasts or chest; or fatigue. Those in the study also were asked
whether a physician had diagnosed them with Raynaud's disease,
Sjgren's syndrome, scleroderma, chronic fatigue, or fibromyalgia--a
chronic condition marked by fatigue, musculoskeletal aches and sleep
disturbances.
The women also had a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) examination to
detect whether their implants were intact or ruptured, and whether
silicone gel had leaked outside of the scar tissue immediately
surrounding the implant.
The study found that women with a ruptured implant in which the
silicone hadn't leaked beyond the scar tissue were no more likely than
women with intact implants to report that they had either the
persistent symptoms or diagnosed illnesses listed on the
questionnaire.
However, the women with silicone gel that had migrated outside the
fibrous scar around the implant were nearly three times more likely to
report that they had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia or other
connective tissue disease than women without extracapsular silicone
gel.
"If other studies are consistent with these findings, women should be
informed of the potential risk of developing fibromyalgia if their
breast implants rupture and silicone gel escapes outside the fibrous
scar capsule," says lead study investigator S. Lori Brown, Ph.D.,
M.P.H., of the FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health.
The study, supported in part by the FDA's Office of Women's Health and
the National Institutes of Health, was published in the May 2001
Journal of Rheumatology. An estimated 6 million to 8 million Americans
have fibromyalgia. About 80 percent of those affected are women.
The FDA took silicone gel breast implants off the market for general
use in 1992 because of safety concerns. They continue to be allowed in
FDA-approved studies for women seeking breast reconstruction or
revision of an existing breast implant. Additionally, those who need
to have an existing implant replaced for medical reasons, such as
implant rupture, are also eligible for these studies.
In 2000, the FDA approved the continued use of two manufacturers'
saline breast implants. (See "Saline Breast Implants Stay on Market as
Experts Warn About Risks" in the July-August 2000 FDA Consumer.)
Further information on breast implants may be found at
www.fda.gov/cdrh/breastimplants.
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www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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Ilena Rose wrote:
It may be absurd, but it's true. Even leaking implants have
not been shown (by other than US Legal standards) to have
caused harm.
Careful, Arthur, Ilena is a dangerous woman who will either Google all of
your pst postings, or wait until you post something, and then launch on one
of her Grand Inquisitions if she thinks she can smear you. She has been
known to contact spouses and family members, and tortures the truth when she
does it.
And, do not beleive for a minute her cutesy cuddly sucking up to you as
you're being a nice Jewish boy. She supports anti-semites by attacking their
attackers.
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Mark Probert wrote:
Careful, Arthur, Ilena is a dangerous woman who will either Google all of
your pst postings, or wait until you post something, and then launch on one
of her Grand Inquisitions if she thinks she can smear you.
She's had plenty of opportunity. That's the primary reason
I'm not TOO worried. You'll find I've challenged her on
this before, and didn't get a respectable reply.
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:14:03 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
You'll find I've challenged her on
this before, and didn't get a respectable reply.
LOL ... that's absurd ...
Undergoing several surgeries having silicone soaked lymph nodes dug
out of your armpits is being harmed, Arthur.
You ignore it ... insult me ... that's totally absurd.
You continue to be blind to the vast harm and injuries and infections
and irreversible harm that has occured to hundreds of thousands of
women related to their breast implants.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:14:03 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
You'll find I've challenged her on
this before, and didn't get a respectable reply.
Wrong.
You ignore the vast amount of evidence.
You can claim on your high horse and insult me and ignore the evidence
that these microbes are harmless to the women whose implants breed
them ...
Absurd.
Microbial Growth Inside Saline-filled Breast Implants
Plast Reconstr Surg 1997
Jul;100(1):182-196
Microbial growth inside saline-filled breast implants.
Young VL, Hertl MC, Murray PR, Jensen J, Witt H, Schorr MW
Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Washington University
School
of Medicine, St. Louis, MO., USA.
In vitro and in vivo experiments were conducted to determine whether
intraluminal saline in breast implants can support the growth of
common
wound-infecting microorganisms over a prolonged period of time. The
bacteria
tested were Staphylococcus aureus, Staphylococcus epidermidis,
Escherichia
coli, Corynebacterium jeikeium, Enterobacter cloacae, Klebsiella
pneumoniae, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Three fungal species also were
tested: Aspergillus fumigatus, Paecilomyces variofii, and Candida
albicans. In the in vitro study, four organisms survived in flasks of
sterile saline for the 2 weeks in which serial cultures were
performed:
K. pneumoniae, C. albicans, A.fumigatus, and P. variotii.
In the in vivo study, 61 white rabbits (122
implants) received both an experimental implant inoculated with one of
the test organisms and a control implant containing only sterile
saline.
They
were sacrificed at 1-, 3-, or 6-month scheduled endpoints. None of the
control implants containing sterile saline had positive cultures. In
contrast, the intraluminal saline was culture positive for 7 of the 10
inoculated organisms after varying lengths of time: S. epidermidis, E.
coli, E. cloacae, K. pneumoniae, P.
aeruginosa, A. fumigatus, and P. variotii.
Samples of capsular tissue also were cultured. Of the 122 capsular
tissue
specimens, 21 (17 percent) had positive cultures and surrounded both
inoculated and sterile implants. In most instances, capsules that were
culture positive contained an organism different from the one that had
been inoculated in the group.
In only 3 cases was the same organism cultured from both the
periprosthetic tissue and the intraluminal saline, and these may
represent instances of the inoculated organism migrating through the
implants filler valves. The data show that several types of bacteria
(particularly gram-negative species) and fungi can grow and reproduce
in
a restricted saline environment for extended periods of time.
PMID: 9207676, MUID: 97351394
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:31:48 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Ilena Rose wrote:
It may be absurd, but it's true. Even leaking implants have
not been shown (by other than US Legal standards) to have
caused harm.
You are absolutely and totally wrong.
Here is just one example:
http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
November/December 2001
Fibromyalgia and Ruptured Silicone Gel Breast Implants
Women whose silicone breast implants have ruptured and spread silicone
gel beyond the fibrous scar that forms around the implant may be at
increased risk for fibromyalgia, an FDA study indicates.
FDA researchers asked 344 women with silicone gel implants if they had
experienced persistent joint pain, swelling or stiffness; rash on
their breasts or chest; or fatigue. Those in the study also were asked
whether a physician had diagnosed them with Raynaud's disease,
Sjgren's syndrome, scleroderma, chronic fatigue, or fibromyalgia--a
chronic condition marked by fatigue, musculoskeletal aches and sleep
disturbances.
The women also had a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) examination to
detect whether their implants were intact or ruptured, and whether
silicone gel had leaked outside of the scar tissue immediately
surrounding the implant.
The study found that women with a ruptured implant in which the
silicone hadn't leaked beyond the scar tissue were no more likely than
women with intact implants to report that they had either the
persistent symptoms or diagnosed illnesses listed on the
questionnaire.
However, the women with silicone gel that had migrated outside the
fibrous scar around the implant were nearly three times more likely to
report that they had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia or other
connective tissue disease than women without extracapsular silicone
gel.
"If other studies are consistent with these findings, women should be
informed of the potential risk of developing fibromyalgia if their
breast implants rupture and silicone gel escapes outside the fibrous
scar capsule," says lead study investigator S. Lori Brown, Ph.D.,
M.P.H., of the FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health.
The study, supported in part by the FDA's Office of Women's Health and
the National Institutes of Health, was published in the May 2001
Journal of Rheumatology. An estimated 6 million to 8 million Americans
have fibromyalgia. About 80 percent of those affected are women.
The FDA took silicone gel breast implants off the market for general
use in 1992 because of safety concerns. They continue to be allowed in
FDA-approved studies for women seeking breast reconstruction or
revision of an existing breast implant. Additionally, those who need
to have an existing implant replaced for medical reasons, such as
implant rupture, are also eligible for these studies.
In 2000, the FDA approved the continued use of two manufacturers'
saline breast implants. (See "Saline Breast Implants Stay on Market as
Experts Warn About Risks" in the July-August 2000 FDA Consumer.)
Further information on breast implants may be found at
www.fda.gov/cdrh/breastimplants.
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www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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I had moved this response to a breast implant subject line ... I'll
bring it back here since you have decided to insult me and ignore the
vast amount of harm and pain and injuries women suffer from because of
their breast implants, Arthur.
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:31:48 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Ilena Rose wrote:
It may be absurd, but it's true. Even leaking implants have
not been shown (by other than US Legal standards) to have
caused harm.
You are absolutely and totally wrong.
Here is just one example:
http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
November/December 2001
Fibromyalgia and Ruptured Silicone Gel Breast Implants
Women whose silicone breast implants have ruptured and spread silicone
gel beyond the fibrous scar that forms around the implant may be at
increased risk for fibromyalgia, an FDA study indicates.
FDA researchers asked 344 women with silicone gel implants if they had
experienced persistent joint pain, swelling or stiffness; rash on
their breasts or chest; or fatigue. Those in the study also were asked
whether a physician had diagnosed them with Raynaud's disease,
Sjgren's syndrome, scleroderma, chronic fatigue, or fibromyalgia--a
chronic condition marked by fatigue, musculoskeletal aches and sleep
disturbances.
The women also had a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) examination to
detect whether their implants were intact or ruptured, and whether
silicone gel had leaked outside of the scar tissue immediately
surrounding the implant.
The study found that women with a ruptured implant in which the
silicone hadn't leaked beyond the scar tissue were no more likely than
women with intact implants to report that they had either the
persistent symptoms or diagnosed illnesses listed on the
questionnaire.
However, the women with silicone gel that had migrated outside the
fibrous scar around the implant were nearly three times more likely to
report that they had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia or other
connective tissue disease than women without extracapsular silicone
gel.
"If other studies are consistent with these findings, women should be
informed of the potential risk of developing fibromyalgia if their
breast implants rupture and silicone gel escapes outside the fibrous
scar capsule," says lead study investigator S. Lori Brown, Ph.D.,
M.P.H., of the FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health.
The study, supported in part by the FDA's Office of Women's Health and
the National Institutes of Health, was published in the May 2001
Journal of Rheumatology. An estimated 6 million to 8 million Americans
have fibromyalgia. About 80 percent of those affected are women.
The FDA took silicone gel breast implants off the market for general
use in 1992 because of safety concerns. They continue to be allowed in
FDA-approved studies for women seeking breast reconstruction or
revision of an existing breast implant. Additionally, those who need
to have an existing implant replaced for medical reasons, such as
implant rupture, are also eligible for these studies.
In 2000, the FDA approved the continued use of two manufacturers'
saline breast implants. (See "Saline Breast Implants Stay on Market as
Experts Warn About Risks" in the July-August 2000 FDA Consumer.)
Further information on breast implants may be found at
www.fda.gov/cdrh/breastimplants.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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Ilena Rose wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:31:48 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
You are absolutely and totally wrong.
Here is just one example:
http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
November/December 2001
Fibromyalgia and Ruptured Silicone Gel Breast Implants
Women whose silicone breast implants have ruptured and spread silicone
gel beyond the fibrous scar that forms around the implant may be at
increased risk for fibromyalgia, an FDA study indicates.
Interesting. The FDA doesn't recognize fibromyalgia as a disease.
Perhaps they should, but....
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"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> in he rofficial capacity as the Directorix
of the delicensed and apparently defunct Humantics Foundation, whichnow fits
I had moved this response to a breast implant subject line ... I'll
bring it back here since you have decided to insult me and ignore the
vast amount of harm and pain and injuries women suffer from because of
their breast implants, Arthur.
Arthur said:
She's had plenty of opportunity. That's the primary reason
I'm not TOO worried. You'll find I've challenged her on
this before, and didn't get a respectable reply.
Now, I do not see any insults, or, are you claiming, as we all suspected,
that challenging your pontifications is insulting to you?
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Ilena Rose wrote:
Interesting. The FDA doesn't recognize fibromyalgia as a disease.
Perhaps they should, but....
Was that the insult Ilena is referring to? It is hard to tell, since she
plays victim so easily.
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:36:12 -0800, "Arthur L. Rubin"
<ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Ilena Rose wrote:
Interesting. The FDA doesn't recognize fibromyalgia as a disease.
Perhaps they should, but....
Where does the FDA write that?
Just because something is not yet fully understood...doesn't mean it
doesn't exist.
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OK, fair enough. Not the "worst thing I have ever seen." That was a
matter of speaking, and certainly an exageration. I have seen worse.
But what I have learned from my research is that someone is spamming
the search engine to turn a quick buck off of people who need
legitimate legal help. And that is upsetting to me. Better said?
Best,
Your in cyberspace,
Michael@Monheit.com
Michael Monheit, Esq.
http://www.monheit.com/vioxx_celebrex/case.asp
Ilena Rose <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:<iphno0h3gtd1tiv2qfahb3gao1p5n1j7ua@4ax.com>...
On 5 Nov 2004 07:45:31 -0800, michaelmonheit@yahoo.com (Michael
Monheit) wrote:
That's the worst thing you've seen in all those years of practice?
WoW! You're lucky.
Check out the harm that continues to come to untold thousands of women
who have been sold breast implants ... they oft lose their health,
their natural breast tissue, their insurance, their jobs ... and oft
the medical profession and the PR flacks claim they are "greedy" women
out to make a buck when they sue the manufacturers for faulty
implants.
The harm of Google deceit doesn't come close.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
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