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Fake Forger (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
is David Touretzky's associate.
This subject line is a lie.
Andreas Heldal-Lund's website according to him, is biased
and un-objective. He doesn't take it very seriously.
The dizum.com poster isn't very bright.
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c901bee5.0410221734.3e554d5b%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"To further complicate the issue, President Bush appointed
Carnegie Mellon President Jared Cohon to his 16-member
Homeland Security Advisory Council in December 2003.
Mr. Cohon appears to have a serious conflict of interest
to explain to the American taxpayers. On the one hand,
the university is receiving at least $35.5 million in
government grants to fight cyber terrorism and on the
other hand, one of its professors is providing deadly
bomb information on the university's computer server,
which is at the disposal of any terrorist with Internet
access."
Ethics and Tax Dollars
By: John Middleton
- http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr006=7uouc3y5f1.app24a&page=NewsArticle&id=7770&news_iv_ctrl=1329
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TO PARENTS OF STUDENTS AT CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=c901bee5.0410262030.74c3f5e1%40posting.google.com
The issue is President Bush's appointment of Carnegie Mellon
President Jared Cohon to the 16-member Homeland Security
Advisory Council in December 2003, CMU'S $35.5 million grant
from the U.S. Federal Government to help fight cyber terrorism,
and CMU Professor David Stuart Tourtetzky's irresponsible and
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
condoning cyberterrorism
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faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote in message news:<c901bee5.0411172149.2a184b7a@posting.google.com>...
Fake Forger (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
is David Touretzky's associate.
This subject line is a lie.
Andreas Heldal-Lund's website according to him, is biased
and un-objective. He doesn't take it very seriously.
The dizum.com poster isn't very bright.
Faxhor
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c901bee5.0410221734.3e554d5b%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"To further complicate the issue, President Bush appointed
Carnegie Mellon President Jared Cohon to his 16-member
Homeland Security Advisory Council in December 2003.
Mr. Cohon appears to have a serious conflict of interest
to explain to the American taxpayers. On the one hand,
the university is receiving at least $35.5 million in
government grants to fight cyber terrorism and on the
other hand, one of its professors is providing deadly
bomb information on the university's computer server,
which is at the disposal of any terrorist with Internet
access."
Ethics and Tax Dollars
By: John Middleton
- http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr006=7uouc3y5f1.app24a&page=NewsArticle&id=7770&news_iv_ctrl=1329
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TO PARENTS OF STUDENTS AT CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=c901bee5.0410262030.74c3f5e1%40posting.google.com
The issue is President Bush's appointment of Carnegie Mellon
President Jared Cohon to the 16-member Homeland Security
Advisory Council in December 2003, CMU'S $35.5 million grant
from the U.S. Federal Government to help fight cyber terrorism,
and CMU Professor David Stuart Tourtetzky's irresponsible and
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
condoning cyberterrorism
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Here is what Dave Touretzky is up to, besides being an anti-religious
persecutor, pro-psychs and a porn guy. Below was a website (not mine)
that mysterically disappeared from the net, just as my four websites
that were critically of Dave Touretzky.
CYBERTERRORISM
Then there are a number of people who promote all forms of terrorism
by placing instructions on how to make illegal explosives on the
Internet, some even encouraging their use in schools, against law
enforcement officials or others.
Many of these people mirror or post webpages which were found by them
elsewhere and are simply copied to their own site. While most of these
people do not divulge their identities, a few are proud to do so. Some
attempts to shield themselves legally by stating that they are
publicly revealing the instructions as a First Amendement Issue,
ignoring the moral implications of their actions.
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPREAD TERRORISM
Probably the most infamous is a Carnegie Mellon University professor,
David Touretzky, who is continuing to mirrow a website originally put
up by Sherman Austin, an anarchist who was arrested by the FBI and is
now in prison for putting the bomb instructions on his website.
Although the FBI was able to get Austin to take down his site,
Touretzky still has it on the official Carnegie Mellon University
website.
But not only did this professor put up the site but he even went
further and added his own instructions and other information on atom
bomb construction.
Carnegie Mellon University apparently is very familiar with this site
and defended it as a first amendment expression.
-- WPXI.com - Target 11- CMU Professor's web site causing controversy
-- The Tartan - Author of explosives guides may serve jail time; CMU
professor supports him
Carnegie Mellon University is a major taxpayer-subsidized university
which continues to allow the professor to spread bomb making
information in the university's system to anyone; and the above news
story shows the university is aware of the website.
TAXPAYERS SUPPORTING CYBERTERRORISM
While Touretzky placed "disclaimers" on the university site to not
follow their easy instructions and make the bombs, it doesn't change
the fact that teenagers, terrorist wannabes, and school shooters can
easily find and could use the instructions to make bombs and
protentially kill others or themselves.
A quick search of Yahoo shows very high ranking of Touretzky's and
Carnegie Mellon's bomb making section, meaning those pages have been
linked from more web sites and "clicked-through" more often in
searches for explosive information:
* Fuel fertilizer explosives N. 1 rank
* Drano bomb N. 1
* Molotov cocktail N. 5 rank
* Homemade explosives N. 10
Carnegie Mellon University and government funding bodies that are
supporting this university and Touretzky should be alerted to this
problem.
Public funding should be revoked if the university continues to refuse
to do anything about its bomb promoting professor.
It is of concern and disturbing to see how easy it is for kids (and
anybody else) to find bomb making materials on the web and I thought
this outrage ought to be exposed. One teenager in his basement posting
stuff from a book is scary enough but when a college's website which
clearly shows. edu in the URL is used and bomb making instructions are
given the academic imprimatur, then it is no longer a personal issue.
I think you'll agree this isn't a First Amendment issue but rather a
security issue. And the most disturbing issue is why the university
has apparently refused to shut dwn this do-it-yourself-death site and
taken disciplinary actions against the professor who put it up.
It is your tax money that is funding such a form of cyberterrorism.
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Barbara Schwarz wrote:
Here is what Dave Touretzky is up to, besides being an anti-religious
persecutor, pro-psychs and a porn guy. Below was a website (not mine)
that mysterically disappeared from the net, just as my four websites
that were critically of Dave Touretzky.
CYBERTERRORISM
Then there are a number of people who promote all forms of terrorism
by placing instructions on how to make illegal explosives on the
Internet, some even encouraging their use in schools, against law
enforcement officials or others.
Many of these people mirror or post webpages which were found by them
elsewhere and are simply copied to their own site. While most of these
people do not divulge their identities, a few are proud to do so. Some
attempts to shield themselves legally by stating that they are
publicly revealing the instructions as a First Amendement Issue,
ignoring the moral implications of their actions.
I'm sorry, that IS a First Amendment issue. I support David in that.
The "law" "ban"ning explosives information from the Internet is
clearly unconstitutional.
I strongly support CMU and Professor Touretzky in their
principled actions.
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In article <419CF032.FC380824@sprintmail.com>,
Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
The "law" "ban"ning explosives information from the Internet is
clearly unconstitutional.
Fortunately, current law doesn't do that. There is plenty of
explosives information on the Internet, including an excellent
tutorial on Molotov cocktails at Wikipedia, and a handy diagram on
pipe bomb construction at CNN.com.
I cite these and several more examples on my web site:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/raisethefist
What the law bans is the provision of explosives information WITH THE
KNOWLEDGE OR INTENT that it be used to commit a federal act of
violence.
Unfortunately, this law was poorly applied in the Sherman Austin case.
And the law is absurd, because people who do not intend that the
information be used for violent purposes are perfectly free to post
exactly the same stuff that Austin spent nearly a year in federal
prison for.
The FBI has never uttered one word of complaint about my web site.
Lane Bonner, a RETIRED agent, wrung his hands over it on camera when
WPXI decided to smear me for sweeps week, but Bonner was speaking only
for himself, not the government. My web site is perfectly legal, and
perfectly moral.
Now that Sherman Austin is out of prison, nobody even cares about this
case, except for the Church of Scientology, which has been using the
issue to bash me in an attempt to divert attention from its own
crimes, which are many.
Vistit LisaClause.org and Stop-Narconon.org and StudyTech.org and
SlatkinFraud.com to see some of what has Scientology's knickers in a
knot. And I'm not done with these clowns yet.
I strongly support CMU and Professor Touretzky in their
principled actions.
Thanks, Arthur.
As the ACLU reminds us: uncontroversial speech doesn't need defending.
-- Dave Touretzky: free speech extremist since 1994.
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"Arthur L. Rubin" <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote in message news:<419CF032.FC380824@sprintmail.com>...
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
I'm sorry, that IS a First Amendment issue. I support David in that.
The "law" "ban"ning explosives information from the Internet is
clearly unconstitutional.
I strongly support CMU and Professor Touretzky in their
principled actions.
Arthur, when a loved one of yours dies in a terror act or you lose a
body part in a bomb explosion, you will not more post that crap.
Moreover, Dave Touretzky is just pro *his* free speech, he is not pro
free speech by others. Four of my websites critical of him were hi
jacked from the web. That is how pro free speech he is.
Barbara Schwarz
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dst@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<cnjdt1$et8$1@sheepberry.srv.cs.cmu.edu>...
In article <419CF032.FC380824@sprintmail.com>,
Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Fortunately, current law doesn't do that.
FORTUNATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????
Title 18, United State Code, Sections 842 (p) statute states:
"It shall be unlawful for any person - (A) to teach or demonstrate the
making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of
mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining
to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive,
destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent
that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in
furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of
violence; or (B) to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or
use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass
destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information
pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an
explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing
that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or
information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a
Federal crime of violence."
There is plenty of
explosives information on the Internet, including an excellent
tutorial on Molotov cocktails at Wikipedia, and a handy diagram on
pipe bomb construction at CNN.com.
Just because other anarchists have that stuff on the net, doesn't mean
that a CMU professor should follow in their mentally retarded and evil
footsteps!
I cite these and several more examples on my web site:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/raisethefist
Horrible!
What the law bans is the provision of explosives information WITH THE
KNOWLEDGE OR INTENT that it be used to commit a federal act of
violence.
There seems always a way for an anarchist and creep to show
irresponsible juveniles and terrorists the way.
Unfortunately, this law was poorly applied in the Sherman Austin case.
And the law is absurd, because people who do not intend that the
information be used for violent purposes are perfectly free to post
exactly the same stuff that Austin spent nearly a year in federal
prison for.
Who is Dave Touretzky kidding? Anybody who puts the information up
wants others to find it and make use of it. Bombs are not used for
peaceful purposes. If somebody wants to demonstrate his stand for
freedom of speech there are millions of other examples, peaceful
examples to show that.
The FBI has never uttered one word of complaint about my web site.
Lane Bonner, a RETIRED agent, wrung his hands over it on camera when
WPXI decided to smear me for sweeps week, but Bonner was speaking only
for himself, not the government. My web site is perfectly legal, and
perfectly moral.
That is a shame! What a scandal! I said often enough that the U.S.
government is infiltrated by non-American forces otherwise they would
be better to American citizens and everybody who lives here and would
protect the people, who may fall victim to the "harmless information".
Watch out, people, the next "September 11" will occur and that because
so many within the government are unethical and don't do their jobs.
They are irresponsible.
It all boils down to that a criminal without a title as Austin is
arrested while somebody like Touretzky comes away with the same crime.
What a hypocricy it is.
Now that Sherman Austin is out of prison, nobody even cares about this
case, except for the Church of Scientology, which has been using the
issue to bash me in an attempt to divert attention from its own
crimes, which are many.
They are after Touretzky as he is an anti-religious extremists.
www.religiousfreedomwatch.org, his extemist pages.
Vistit LisaClause.org and Stop-Narconon.org and StudyTech.org and
SlatkinFraud.com to see some of what has Scientology's knickers in a
knot. And I'm not done with these clowns yet.
Is that a threat?
Thanks, Arthur.
As the ACLU reminds us: uncontroversial speech doesn't need defending.
-- Dave Touretzky: free speech extremist since 1994.
Indeed extremist, who hi-jacks websites critical of him.
Barbara Schwarz
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On 18 Nov 2004 10:49:21 -0800, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
Here is what Dave Touretzky is up to, besides being an anti-religious
persecutor, pro-psychs and a porn guy. Below was a website (not mine)
that mysterically disappeared from the net, just as my four websites
that were critically of Dave Touretzky.
You've had 4 websites that you think this "porn guy" made "mysterically
disappear"?
You think he practices sorcery too?
Just in case you weren't aware, if you don't pay the bill to whoever
hosts were website, it probably will disappear.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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On 19 Nov 2004 11:42:53 -0800, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
with the intent
that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in
furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of
violence;
What part of that don't you understand?
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There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:14:25 +0000 (UTC), dst@cs.cmu.edu (Dave
Touretzky)
In article <419CF032.FC380824@sprintmail.com>,
Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com> wrote:
Fortunately, current law doesn't do that.
Hey Dave!
Say "hi" to Andrew for me.
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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In article <8p7tp097bscnfg71qtp9ubhi7ch3qdkei8@4ax.com> Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote:
On 19 Nov 2004 11:42:53 -0800, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
What part of that don't you understand?
Oh, I get it.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Ha. Somebody apparently played with an early version of ELIZA AI
software (Maybe 1980ish). It wasn't bad for its time, but that
response, "Come, come, elucidate your thoughts" was the most used of
its library of standard responses for when it was having difficulty
understanding the conversation. Very esoteric, if that's the context
from which you are using this phrase." -- Siggy
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:32:57 -0700, Mike Z. Helm <mhelm@not.known> wrote:
On 18 Nov 2004 10:49:21 -0800, StilllovingMarty@myway.com (Barbara
Schwarz)
Here is what Dave Touretzky is up to, besides being an anti-religious
persecutor, pro-psychs and a porn guy. Below was a website (not mine)
that mysterically disappeared from the net, just as my four websites
that were critically of Dave Touretzky.
You've had 4 websites that you think this "porn guy" made "mysterically
disappear"?
You think he practices sorcery too?
Just in case you weren't aware, if you don't pay the bill to whoever
hosts were website, it probably will disappear.
A schizophrenic bag lady such as Schwarz does not have money to pay
for webhosting, so she scuttles from free webhost to free webhost, as
her kooksites are removed for TOS violations for libel and spam.
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"The "law" "ban"ning explosives information from the Internet
is clearly unconstitutional."
- Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com>
No it isn't. Do you also think it is unconsitutional
that you cannot proclaim "FIRE" in a crowded theatre.
What if there are angry Hispanics and African Americans
reading this and also David Touretzky's website.
"Man, Hispanics are @$#*ed up,
which is why they're still
working class. Dip#@($s."
- Dave Touretzky
"She is the former ambassador to Micronesia!
and she's black. I should have known. What are
all the really st00000pid congresswomen black?"
- Dave Touretzky
"What the law bans is
the provision of explosives information
WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OR INTENT that it be used
to commit a federal act of violence."
- Dave Touretzky
KNOWLEDGE: IT (bomb) is used to threaten or commit
an act of destruction and violence
which is punishable
under U.S. federal laws.
Professor Dave Touretzky knows that.
If he doesn't, then what is an idiot doing acting like
a professor at CME. Jared Cohon might be able to answer.
"My web site is perfectly legal, and perfectly moral."
- Dave Touretzky
LOL. First an "expert" on the 1st Amendment, now David
is an "expert" on morality.
"I'm not taking Dr. Touretzky's view of the First Amendment as
evidence. His testimony presupposes a view of the scope of the
First Amendment on which he is not an expert, which is not a
proper subject for testimony and which is ultimately for me and
appellate courts to decide."
- Judge Lewis A. Kaplan
July 25, 2000 MPAA V. 2600
Faxhor@hotmail.com
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CMU PROFESSOR DAVID TOURETZKY - NO EXPERT ON THE 1ST AMENDMENT
Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Tourtetzky's
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
encourages hatred, crime and terrorism. On the internet,
David Touretzky has reproached minority ethic and religious
groups. On his CMU website, he promotes homemade bomb
instruction and illegal DVD decryption in defiance of the
US Defense Departments funding to CMU to find ways to fight
cyberterrorism.
"To further complicate the issue, President Bush appointed
Carnegie Mellon President Jared Cohon to his 16-member
Homeland Security Advisory Council in December 2003.
Mr. Cohon appears to have a serious conflict of interest
to explain to the American taxpayers. On the one hand,
the university is receiving at least $35.5 million in
government grants to fight cyber terrorism and on the
other hand, one of its professors is providing deadly
bomb information on the university's computer server,
which is at the disposal of any terrorist with Internet
access."
Ethics and Tax Dollars
By: John Middleton
- http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr006=7uouc3y5f1.app24a&page=NewsArticle&id=7770&news_iv_ctrl=1329
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TO PARENTS OF STUDENTS AT CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=c901bee5.0410262030.74c3f5e1%40posting.google.com
The issue is President Bush's appointment of Carnegie Mellon
President Jared Cohon to the 16-member Homeland Security
Advisory Council in December 2003, CMU'S $35.5 million grant
from the U.S. Federal Government to help fight cyber terrorism,
and CMU Professor David Stuart Tourtetzky's irresponsible and
radically twisted interpretation of 'Freedom of Speech'
condoning cyberterrorism
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On 20 Nov 2004 15:15:08 -0800, faxhor@hotmail.com (Faxhor)
"The "law" "ban"ning explosives information from the Internet
is clearly unconstitutional."
- Arthur L. Rubin <ronnirubin@sprintmail.com>
No it isn't. Do you also think it is unconsitutional
that you cannot proclaim "FIRE" in a crowded theatre.
So you're arguing that since there can be limitations imposed on free
"speech" (literal speech), that any form of expression is similarly
susceptible to bans which would pass constitutional muster?
If so, then your own words could and should be banned. How would you
like that?
What if there are angry Hispanics and African Americans
reading this and also David Touretzky's website.
What if there are angry people (of any race) who want to do such things?
Do you seriously think that banning information will lead to an end to
violence?
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
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Google hubbard + racist and have a nice day!
"The South African native is probably the one impossible person to train in
the entire world -- he is probably impossible by any human standard." L.
Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September 1957.
"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself
a nigger; that's what they're born for." L Ron Hubbard in a letter to
first wife Polly Grubb.
"...[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to overrun any
white country in any way except by intermarriage. One American marine could
stand off a great many yellowmen without much effort." "A Chinaman can
not live up to a thing, he always drags it down." "They smell of all the
baths they didn't take. The trouble with China is, there are too many
chinks here." L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.
Faxhor
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In article <YFUN1RJW38311.9205555556@anonymous.poster> assnonymous <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote:
Google hubbard racist and have a nice day!
"The South African native is probably the one impossible person to train in
the entire world -- he is probably impossible by any human standard." L.
Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditor's Bulletin, No. 119, 1 September 1957.
What resemblence do you see?
"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself
a nigger; that's what they're born for." L Ron Hubbard in a letter to
first wife Polly Grubb.
Don't worry, I'm trained for this.
"...[The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to overrun any
white country in any way except by intermarriage. One American marine could
stand off a great many yellowmen without much effort." "A Chinaman can
not live up to a thing, he always drags it down." "They smell of all the
baths they didn't take. The trouble with China is, there are too many
chinks here." L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928.
On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger near the escape key.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Heddo bot ;) I deal with my own faults rather harshly. What else do
you recommend?" -- Kate
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