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most important trials in history?



cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com (neurocratic malfunction)
11/19/2004 5:13:28 PM


trial of jesus
trial of socrates
trial of scopes monkey
roe v wade
trial of oj
 
 
"Francis A. Miniter"
11/19/2004 10:12:46 PM


neurocratic malfunction wrote:
trial of jesus
Do you mean before Pilate or before the Sanhedrin?
trial of socrates
Absolutely
trial of scopes monkey
The monkey (actually there was no monkey) was never tried. Just Mr. Scopes.
roe v wade
If I am correct, it never reached a trial as the word is generally understood.
The facts were never in question so no jury or judge ever had to find facts.
The question was simply whether a woman had an unrestricted right to an abortion
during her pregnancy. The case came to the U.S. Supreme Court long after the
pregnancy ended, and on the issue whether there was a case and controversy such
that the court had jurisdiction, the court found that given the length of legal
processes, unless it took jurisdiction this would be an issue capable of
multiple repetition in the courts without ever being reviewable by the Supreme
Court.
trial of oj
Popular, yes. Important? Very questionable. Certainly not as important as the
Amistad trials or the Andrew Johnson impeachment trial or the trial of the
Chicago Seven.
I would include the following:
The Trial of Martin Guerre - medieval France. A man arrived in town after
Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was he the same
individual? The wife said he was.
The trial of Joan of Arc - also medieval France (1431). Actually, you should
read the trial transcript. http://www.stjoan-center.com/Trials/
The Trial of Sir Thomas More (1535), conscience vs. the law.
The Trial of Galileo (1633) pitting science against religion for the first (?)
time.
Either the Salem Witch Trials (1692) (which condemned a number of people to
death as witches) or the Wethersfield (Connecticut) Witch Trial (1693?), which
did not convict the defendant and put an end to the hysteria.
The Trial of John Brown (1859), perhaps one of the most important events leading
to the Civil War.
The Nuremberg trials, 1945-49, establishing a new standard for fairness to a
defeated enemy and for prosecution of crimes against humanity. Unfortunately,
the current administration has never heard of them.
The three trials of Dr. Morgenthaler (early 1970s) for abortion in Quebec. Each
time he got on the witness stand and admitted he did it. Each time the jury
acquitted. The 1670 case of Edward Bushnell had established the right of juries
to judge the law as well as the facts. This ceased to be he case about the end
of the 18th century in England and its commonwealth states and in the USA. But
it still happens. The concept is now known as jury nullification.
Francis A. Miniter
 
 
"herothatdied"
11/20/2004 3:33:11 AM


Nice list, Francis.
Best fictional trials: Guenavaere; Witness for the Prosecution; and an old
favorite of mine, the trial of Jabez Stone.
htd
 
 
Don Tuite
11/20/2004 5:59:48 AM


On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:12:46 -0500, "Francis A. Miniter"
<miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote:
I would include the following:
.. . .
You might add Times v Sullivan and the Woolsey decision re: Ulysses.
Don
 
 
Tim May
11/19/2004 10:38:33 PM


In article <419eb885_4@news1.prserv.net>, Francis A. Miniter
<miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote:
roe v wade
If I am correct, it never reached a trial as the word is generally
understood.
The facts were never in question so no jury or judge ever had to find facts.
The question was simply whether a woman had an unrestricted right to an
abortion
during her pregnancy. The case came to the U.S. Supreme Court long after the
pregnancy ended, and on the issue whether there was a case and controversy
such
that the court had jurisdiction, the court found that given the length of
legal
processes, unless it took jurisdiction this would be an issue capable of
multiple repetition in the courts without ever being reviewable by the
Supreme
Court.
The babykillers got off easily, not even facing a fractin of what the
Christkillers faced in a trial left off this politically correct list,
namely, "The Trial of the Jew, 1936-45."
Thought the trial was held, the carrying out of the sentence was
interfered with by Jew-controlled forces and a million or so of the
Christkillers were let loose upon the world to spread their poison.
Your lists show your negro/Jew/untermenschen outlook.
OJ? Give me a break. The nigger did what the nigger does when he gets
hold of a white woman. To blame him is to blame a dog for grabbing hold
of a bone.
--Tim May
 
 
Jim Ward
11/20/2004 8:50:00 AM


Come back to RAB when you've read a book.
 
 
Paul Ilechko
11/20/2004 9:23:29 AM


Tim May wrote:
<snip>
How did all this dog#@($ get on the rug ?
 
 
WLWood@gmail.com (billionaire)
11/20/2004 8:39:47 AM


The Trial of Martin Guerre - medieval France. A man arrived in town after
Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was he the same
individual? The wife said he was.
Zemon Davis' work is a great analysis of 16th century society in
southern France, and the story itself is one of the most fantastic
I've ever heard. but one of the most important trials of all time?
 
 
"Francis A. Miniter"
11/20/2004 11:58:09 AM


billionaire wrote:
The Trial of Martin Guerre - medieval France. A man arrived in town after
Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was he the same
individual? The wife said he was.
Zemon Davis' work is a great analysis of 16th century society in
southern France, and the story itself is one of the most fantastic
I've ever heard. but one of the most important trials of all time?
I chose it because it epitomizes the question of identity and it has held the
fascination and imagination of people for hundreds of years.
Francis A. Miniter
 
 
"Don Zimmerman"
11/20/2004 11:10:32 PM




"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:419f79f6_2@news1.prserv.net...

billionaire wrote:
The Trial of Martin Guerre - medieval France. A man arrived in town
after
Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was he the
same
individual? The wife said he was.
Zemon Davis' work is a great analysis of 16th century society in
southern France, and the story itself is one of the most fantastic
I've ever heard. but one of the most important trials of all time?
I chose it because it epitomizes the question of identity and it has held
the
fascination and imagination of people for hundreds of years.
Unless I am mistaken there was a movie some years back (was it with Richard
Gere and Jodie Foster?) that told almost the same story. The name is on the
tip of my tongue. It was the same theme set in the American civil war.
 
 
cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com (neurocratic malfunction)
11/20/2004 5:12:56 PM


cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com (neurocratic malfunction) wrote in message news:<1d7e2eb0.0411191713.5a3056b9@posting.google.com>...
trial of jesus
trial of socrates
trial of scopes monkey
roe v wade
trial of oj
dreyfus
 
 
"Francis A. Miniter"
11/20/2004 8:13:50 PM


Don Zimmerman wrote:


"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:419f79f6_2@news1.prserv.net...

after
Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was he the
same
individual? The wife said he was.
Zemon Davis' work is a great analysis of 16th century society in
southern France, and the story itself is one of the most fantastic
I've ever heard. but one of the most important trials of all time?
the
Unless I am mistaken there was a movie some years back (was it with Richard
Gere and Jodie Foster?) that told almost the same story. The name is on the
tip of my tongue. It was the same theme set in the American civil war.
Yep, Sommersby (1993). There was also "Le Retour de Martin Guerre" (aka "The
Return of Martin Guerre)(1982) an earlier Gerard Depardieu film.
Francis A. Miniter
 
 
"Don Zimmerman"
11/21/2004 2:45:56 AM




"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:419fee25_1@news1.prserv.net...

Yep, Sommersby (1993). There was also "Le Retour de Martin Guerre" (aka
"The
Return of Martin Guerre)(1982) an earlier Gerard Depardieu film.
That's it! I have a VCR tape of it somewhere. Thanks!
 
 
Jim Ward
11/20/2004 10:25:54 PM


On 20 Nov 2004 17:12:56 -0800, cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com
(neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
dreyfus
Why is Dreyfus important except to prove that some French were
anti-Semites?
 
 
Mike Z. Helm
11/20/2004 8:31:07 PM


On 19 Nov 2004 17:13:28 -0800, cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com (neurocratic
malfunction)
trial of jesus
trial of socrates
trial of scopes monkey
roe v wade
trial of oj
Wrong:
The Trial
Franz Kafka
--
There's no way to delay that trouble comin' everyday
 
 
none@none.net
11/20/2004 10:46:54 PM


On 19 Nov 2004 17:13:28 -0800, cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com
(neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
trial of jesus
trial of socrates
trial of scopes monkey
roe v wade
trial of oj
Sacco - Vanzetti 1920
It. anarchist in the U.S.: charged with murder & payroll theft in
1920: their conviction & execution aroused international protest,
being regarded by many as the result of political bias
Bruno Hauptmann
(Lindbergh Kidnapping) Trial
1935
The Scottsboro Boys" Trials
1931 - 1937
The Rosenberg Trial
1951
 
 
Christopher Green
11/21/2004 5:07:52 AM


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:25:54 -0500, Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:
On 20 Nov 2004 17:12:56 -0800, cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com
(neurocratic malfunction) wrote:
Why is Dreyfus important except to prove that some French were
anti-Semites?
It broke the power of the Roman Catholic Church and the army in French
society. It has no kind of importance in law, because it was a
travesty of a trial.
--
Chris Green
 
 
gumby_toba@hotmail.com (cashier of cinema)
11/20/2004 11:10:48 PM


cerebureaucracy@hotmail.com (neurocratic malfunction) wrote in message news:<1d7e2eb0.0411191713.5a3056b9@posting.google.com>...
trial of jesus
trial of socrates
trial of scopes monkey
roe v wade
trial of oj
joan of arc.
moscow trials of 30s
salem witchhunt trial
scott peterson trial
 
 
clJUNKv1@balcab.ch (CleV)
11/21/2004 12:44:04 PM


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:13:50 -0500, "Francis A. Miniter"
<miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote:
Don Zimmerman wrote:


"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:419f79f6_2@news1.prserv.net...

billionaire wrote:
The Trial of Martin Guerre - medieval France. A man arrived in town
after Martin Guerre left for war nearly a couple decades earlier. Was
he the same individual? The wife said he was.
Zemon Davis' work is a great analysis of 16th century society in
southern France, and the story itself is one of the most fantastic
I've ever heard. but one of the most important trials of all time?
I chose it because it epitomizes the question of identity and it has held
the fascination and imagination of people for hundreds of years.
Unless I am mistaken there was a movie some years back (was it with Richard
Gere and Jodie Foster?) that told almost the same story. The name is on the
tip of my tongue. It was the same theme set in the American civil war.
Yep, Sommersby (1993). There was also "Le Retour de Martin Guerre" (aka "The
Return of Martin Guerre)(1982) an earlier Gerard Depardieu film.
There was also a musical, which I rather liked, although many didn't,
which got it put through a number of rewrites ...
 
 
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