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S. O. Damocles wrote:
Melissa wrote:
Suspect named in fatal hunter shootings
Sheriff: Man who fired was using deer stand on private
property
(CNN) -- The man who opened fire on a group of deer hunters
in northwest Wisconsin, killing five and wounding three
others, was using a deer stand on private property before
the shooting began, Sawyer County Sheriff James Meier said
Monday.
A suspect is in custody -- 36-year-old Chai Wang, of St.
Paul, Minnesota -- but no formal charges have been filed
against him, Meier told reporters.
"This is an incredible tragedy," Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle
said. "One in which a great family tradition like a deer
hunt has turned into such a great loss for the families
involved. The whole state of Wisconsin feels the deepest
sympathy and pain."
The shootings occurred Sunday in Sawyer County after a
hunter returning to a rural cabin saw a man in a deer
stand, a platform built in a tree to give hunters a better
view, on private property. The hunter radioed someone to
ask about the man's presence there.
Meier said the man had apparently been hunting, gotten lost
and stopped a couple of hunters to ask for directions. He
wandered onto 400 acres of private land.
The other hunter "approached the person and asked him to
leave, at which time the landowners and the occupants of
the cabin came on the scene. The suspect got down from the
deer stand, walked approximately 40 yards, fiddled with his
rifle in some way ... turned and opened fire on the group,"
Meier said.
When other hunters appeared on the scene, they also were
hit by gunfire, Meier said. Some of the people suffered
multiple gunshot wounds. The shooter used an SKS 7.62 mm
assault rifle, the sheriff said.
Two bodies were found near each other, and the others were
found over an area of about 100 yards, he said.
The dead were identified Monday as Robert Crotteau, 42, and
his son, Joey Crotteau, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28;
and Jessica Willers, 27, the daughter of Terry Willers who
was wounded.
Terry Willers was taken to a clinic in nearby Marshfield
with a neck and shoulder wound, and was said to be doing
well.
Denny Drew was in critical condition Monday with an
abdominal wound and extensive injuries to his large and
small intestines, and pancreas. He had a three-hour
operation Sunday and was improving, said Dr. Lynn Koob, a
surgeon at Lakeview Medical Center.
Lauren Hesebeck is also at Lakeview with a gunshot wound to
the shoulder and arm.
After the shootings, the man got lost again and was led
from the woods by two hunters who were unaware of the
incident. A Department of Natural Resources officer
recognized the deer license on his back from a description
given by one of the shooting victims, said Chief Deputy Tim
Zeigle of the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department.
"We were very thankful to take him into custody. No one
else got hurt," Zeigle said. "When he was taken into
custody, his gun was empty."
The killings have stunned Exeland, a village of 219 people
about 135 miles northeast of Minneapolis.
Barron County Sheriff Tom Richie said the victims "Are all
well-known, well-respected members of the community."
The five who died were from the Rice Lake area near
Birchwood. A Rice Lake Hunters Survivors and Victims Fund
has been set up.
Saturday was the opening of the nine-day deer season.
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The guy has a history of domestic violence, cops were called at least
three times, but no charges filed. If they had he would have lost his
gun and six others would be alive today. Obviously he is unbalanced
mentally. It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
laws, that persons with mental problems aren't effectively screened by
current methods.
At least three of the victims were not hunters but folks coming as a
result of distress call made by one of the wounded.
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10x@_telus.net wrote:
The guy has a history of domestic violence, cops were
called at least three times, but no charges filed. If they
had he would have lost his gun and six others would be
alive today. Obviously he is unbalanced mentally. It does
point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control laws,
that persons with mental problems aren't effectively
screened by current methods.
Bu$h has mental problems, should the U$$A take away
his position as Commander on Chief of the U$ Military?
But back to the issue at hand, 8 (eight) heavilly armed men
were HELPLESS against one (1) semi-auto "assault rifle" eh?
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It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
laws, that persons with mental problems aren't effectively screened by
current methods.
The Texas Constitution also says one who is an "Idiot" isn't eligble to vote
but....
Spike
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It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
The Texas Constitution also says one who is an "Idiot" isn't eligble to
vote
but....
But we still have far too many Dimocrats in Texas despite that provision.
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:48:22 -0700, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
wrote:
10x@_telus.net wrote:
Bu$h has mental problems, should the U$$A take away
his position as Commander on Chief of the U$ Military?
But back to the issue at hand, 8 (eight) heavilly armed men
were HELPLESS against one (1) semi-auto "assault rifle" eh?
Ignoring the facts, are you!
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10x@_telus.net wrote:
The guy has a history of domestic violence, cops were called at least
three times, but no charges filed. If they had he would have lost his
gun and six others would be alive today. Obviously he is unbalanced
mentally. It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
laws, that persons with mental problems aren't effectively screened by
current methods.
What makes you think he's unbalanced mentally? Three domestic violence
calls?
His partner may have been the aggressor.
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PunkRocker wrote:
It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
The Texas Constitution also says one who is an "Idiot"
isn't eligble to vote but....
Spike
Texas Constitution
ARTICLE VIII.
Slaves.
SEC. 1. The legislature shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of
slaves
without the consent of their owners, nor without paying their owners, previous
to such
emancipation, a full equivalent in money for the slaves so emancipated. They
shall have
no power to prevent emigrants to this State from bringing with them such persons
as are
deemed slaves by the laws of any of the United States, so long as any person of
the same
age or description shall be continued in slavery by the laws of this State:
Provided, That
such slave be the bona fide property of such emigrants: Provided, also, That
laws shall be
passed to inhibit the introduction into this State of slaves who have committed
high crimes
in other States or Territories. They shall have the right to pass laws to permit
the owners of
slaves to emancipate them, saving the rights of creditors, and preventing them
from becoming
a public charge. They shall have full power to pass laws which will oblige the
owners of slaves
to treat them with humanity; to provide for their necessary food and clothing;
to abstain from all
injuries to them, extending to life or limb; and, in case of their neglect or
refusal to comply with
the directions of such laws, to have such slave or slaves taken from such owner
and sold for the
benefit of such owner or owners. They may pass laws to prevent slaves from being
brought into
this State as merchandise only.
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:09:19 -0600, "JerryMouse" <nospam@bisusa.com>
wrote:
10x@_telus.net wrote:
What makes you think he's unbalanced mentally? Three domestic violence
calls?
His partner may have been the aggressor.
You may be right and these shooting may be self defense on his part.
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I would say most of us are hunters and have had been confronted by
tresspassers before but none of us have ever felt this could happen to
them.
I'll be pointing my gun next time I confront a tresspasser the next time
and probably walk him or her off the property and get a plate number and
call it in right away.
Something like this will make it harder to get access to some
properties.
Trapper Dan
"S. O. Damocles" wrote:
S. O. Damocles wrote:
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boogieman wrote:
I would say most of us are hunters and have had been
confronted by tresspassers before but none of us have ever
felt this could happen to them.
I'll be pointing my gun next time I confront a tresspasser
and get your ass greased like this 6 Wisconsin racist bigots
got what they deserved!
HAYWARD, Wisconsin (AP) -- A man suspected in the killings of six hunters told
investigators he began firing after he was shot at first and some of the victims
called him racially derogatory names, according to documents filed Tuesday.
A judge set bail at $2.5 million for Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minnestora, who
is suspected in the killings Sunday of six deer hunters and the wounding of two
others.
Bail was set after investigators filed documents arguing there was probable
cause to hold Vang in the shootings. No charges have been filed.
Vang, a Hmong immigrant from Laos, was arrested Sunday about four hours after
the shootings as he emerged from the woods with his empty SKS 7.62 mm
semiautomatic rifle.
Sawyer County Sheriff Jim Meier said a dispute over Vang's use of a tree
stand -- a raised platform used by hunters -- on private property preceded the
gunfire.
Vang told investigators he didn't realize he was on private property when he
climbed the tree stand, according to the probable-cause statement released
Tuesday.
A hunter approached Vang to tell him he was on private property, and Vang
started to leave as other hunters approached, the statement said. Vang said the
hunters surrounded him, and some started calling him racial slurs.
Vang said he started walking away but looked back to see the first hunter point
his rifle at him and then fire a shot that hit the ground 30 to 40 feet behind
him, the statement said.
That's when Vang told investigators he started firing at the group, and some
fell to the ground and others tried to run away, according to the statement.
Five people died at the scene and a sixth died Monday in a hospital. Two others
were wounded.
The dead were identified as the landowner, Robert Crotteau, 42; his son Joey,
20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, who
died Monday at St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield.
Willers' father, Terry Willers, remained hospitalized Tuesday in fair condition,
while the other wounded hunter was released.
Officials said the victims were part of a group of 14 or 15 who made their
opening-weekend trip to the 400-acre property an annual tradition.
"This was his first time out with that group. He was delighted to be invited,"
said Karen Roidt, mother of victim Mark Roidt.
According to an account by authorities Monday, two or three hunters spotted a
man in a hunting platform on Crotteau's land, then radioed back to the rest of
the party at a cabin nearby, and were told no one who should be there.
One of the men approached the intruder and asked him to leave, as Crotteau and
the others in the cabin hopped on their all-terrain vehicles and headed to the
scene, according to the account.
"The suspect got down from the deer stand, walked 40 yards, fiddled with his
rifle. He took the scope off his rifle, he turned and he opened fire on the
group," Meier said.
One of the men called for help on his radio, and those who arrived to help also
were shot, authorities said.
He was "chasing after them and killing them," Deputy Tim Zeigle said. "He hunted
them down." There was only one firearm among the eight hunters and it was
unclear whether anyone returned fire, authorities had said.
Some Hmong leaders had questioned whether racial differences may have figured in
the shootings.
Sang Vang said his family was devastated, and that his brother has lived in the
United States for more than 20 years and is a U.S. Army veteran.
Minneapolis police said they arrested Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved
a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was brought because she didn't
cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. Police in St. Paul said
there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but
both were resolved without incident.
There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in
the region. Locals in the Birchwood area, about 120 miles northeast of the Twin
Cities, have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand
the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.
Vang's arrest left some Hmong citizens in his hometown fearful of a backlash,
and a group of Hmong leaders in St. Paul condemned the shootings Tuesday and
offered condolences to victims' families.
"What happened in Wisconsin is in no way representative of the Hmong people and
what they stand for," said Cha Vang, who said he was representing "the greater
law-abiding Hmong community." He is no relation to Chai Vang.
About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city.
And the shooting has already provoked racial tension in an area of Wisconsin
where deer hunting is steeped in tradition.
Minnesota state Sen. Mee Moua rejected the idea that cultural differences played
any role in the shooting.
"We're all just speculating that may have been a trigger for him," said Moua,
who is Hmong. "We're all searching for answers."
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boogieman <dan040@sympatico.ca> wrote :
I would say most of us are hunters and have had been confronted by
tresspassers before but none of us have ever felt this could happen to
them.
I'll be pointing my gun next time I confront a tresspasser the next time
and probably walk him or her off the property and get a plate number and
call it in right away.
Something like this will make it harder to get access to some
properties.
They had huge "POSTED - NO TRESSPASSING" signs up on the land.
--
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http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/
The last best hope for liberty, to give the world its first Bill of
Rights: http://www.UPAlliance.org/billofrights.htm
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"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message news:<W2Qod.15$8o5.21662@news.uswest.net>...
boogieman wrote:
and get your ass greased like this 6 Wisconsin racist bigots
got what they deserved!
HAYWARD, Wisconsin (AP) -- A man suspected in the killings of six hunters told
investigators he began firing after he was shot at first and some of the victims
called him racially derogatory names, according to documents filed Tuesday.
A judge set bail at $2.5 million for Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minnestora, who
is suspected in the killings Sunday of six deer hunters and the wounding of two
others.
Bail was set after investigators filed documents arguing there was probable
cause to hold Vang in the shootings. No charges have been filed.
Vang, a Hmong immigrant from Laos, was arrested Sunday about four hours after
the shootings as he emerged from the woods with his empty SKS 7.62 mm
semiautomatic rifle.
Sawyer County Sheriff Jim Meier said a dispute over Vang's use of a tree
stand -- a raised platform used by hunters -- on private property preceded the
gunfire.
Vang told investigators he didn't realize he was on private property when he
climbed the tree stand, according to the probable-cause statement released
Tuesday.
A hunter approached Vang to tell him he was on private property, and Vang
started to leave as other hunters approached, the statement said. Vang said the
hunters surrounded him, and some started calling him racial slurs.
Vang said he started walking away but looked back to see the first hunter point
his rifle at him and then fire a shot that hit the ground 30 to 40 feet behind
him, the statement said.
That's when Vang told investigators he started firing at the group, and some
fell to the ground and others tried to run away, according to the statement.
Five people died at the scene and a sixth died Monday in a hospital. Two others
were wounded.
The dead were identified as the landowner, Robert Crotteau, 42; his son Joey,
20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; Jessica Willers, 27; and Denny Drew, 55, who
died Monday at St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield.
Willers' father, Terry Willers, remained hospitalized Tuesday in fair condition,
while the other wounded hunter was released.
Officials said the victims were part of a group of 14 or 15 who made their
opening-weekend trip to the 400-acre property an annual tradition.
"This was his first time out with that group. He was delighted to be invited,"
said Karen Roidt, mother of victim Mark Roidt.
According to an account by authorities Monday, two or three hunters spotted a
man in a hunting platform on Crotteau's land, then radioed back to the rest of
the party at a cabin nearby, and were told no one who should be there.
One of the men approached the intruder and asked him to leave, as Crotteau and
the others in the cabin hopped on their all-terrain vehicles and headed to the
scene, according to the account.
"The suspect got down from the deer stand, walked 40 yards, fiddled with his
rifle. He took the scope off his rifle, he turned and he opened fire on the
group," Meier said.
One of the men called for help on his radio, and those who arrived to help also
were shot, authorities said.
He was "chasing after them and killing them," Deputy Tim Zeigle said. "He hunted
them down." There was only one firearm among the eight hunters and it was
unclear whether anyone returned fire, authorities had said.
Plaese re-read the above sentence and then re-evaluate your thread
title. You obviously missed sumpin there Chief.
Some Hmong leaders had questioned whether racial differences may have figured in
the shootings.
Sang Vang said his family was devastated, and that his brother has lived in the
United States for more than 20 years and is a U.S. Army veteran.
Minneapolis police said they arrested Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved
a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was brought because she didn't
cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. Police in St. Paul said
there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but
both were resolved without incident.
There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in
the region. Locals in the Birchwood area, about 120 miles northeast of the Twin
Cities, have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand
the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit.
Vang's arrest left some Hmong citizens in his hometown fearful of a backlash,
and a group of Hmong leaders in St. Paul condemned the shootings Tuesday and
offered condolences to victims' families.
"What happened in Wisconsin is in no way representative of the Hmong people and
what they stand for," said Cha Vang, who said he was representing "the greater
law-abiding Hmong community." He is no relation to Chai Vang.
About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul, the highest concentration of any U.S. city.
And the shooting has already provoked racial tension in an area of Wisconsin
where deer hunting is steeped in tradition.
Minnesota state Sen. Mee Moua rejected the idea that cultural differences played
any role in the shooting.
"We're all just speculating that may have been a trigger for him," said Moua,
who is Hmong. "We're all searching for answers."
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boogieman wrote:
and get your ass greased like this 6 Wisconsin racist bigots
got what they deserved!
You consider murdering helpless people to be an appropriate response to
insults. You sick freak.
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10x@_telus.net wrote in message news:<7jv6q01oka4rq2brlcb2usunktnv9rvpse@4ax.com>...
The guy has a history of domestic violence, cops were called at least
three times, but no charges filed. If they had he would have lost his
gun and six others would be alive today.
Yeah right!!! If those 6 rednecks learnt some manners, they would
have been alive!!!
Obviously he is unbalanced
mentally.
Shot back when being shot at is unbalanced? This idiot is cookoo!!!
It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
laws, that persons with mental problems aren't effectively screened by
current methods.
Yeah... ban them all, idiot!!
At least three of the victims were not hunters but folks coming as a
result of distress call made by one of the wounded.
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"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in
news:luMod.39$A75.5353@news.uswest.net:
But back to the issue at hand, 8 (eight) heavilly armed men
were HELPLESS against one (1) semi-auto "assault rifle" eh?
Obviously you lack the ability to be informed. You must be
one of the liberal types who make up facts as you go. The so
called 8 heavilly armed men only had one gun between them.
And at least one was a young girl. It appears he also shoot
at least some of the unarmed people in the back as they ran
away.
The rifle in question was actaully not to powerful its one
you might give your kids to hunt with since it was not very
powerful. In fact it was not even powerful enough to be legal
in some states. The fact he had a gun and the others only
had one made a lot of difference. I suspect the ACLU will
do there best to get him off. I also belive he shot first
and thought if he could kill all he might get away with out
any one being left a live to finger him in the crime.
If it was a white killing a bunch of any other race on there
land it would be called a hate crime. My big question is what
religion is the man. Remeber the Mark lepine (sorry about the
spelling) case the guy in Canage who killed all those women
it was a few years later the press admitted he was a muslim
I was wondering if this guy is. The only facts I find was that
he is a father of 6 so far and he beats his wife. That may not
be enought to tell but I am sure the liberal press will do there
best not to tell us the facts since they think they can spin
the news any way they want to.
David A. Scott
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On 24 Nov 2004 01:39:42 -0800,
10x@_telus.net wrote in message news:<7jv6q01oka4rq2brlcb2usunktnv9rvpse@4ax.com>...
Yeah right!!! If those 6 rednecks learnt some manners, they would
have been alive!!!
Bad manners is not a really good reason to kill another human being.
Obviously he is unbalanced
mentally.
tdcao@excite.com (TC) wrote:
Shot back when being shot at is unbalanced? This idiot is cookoo!!!
Please read the article.
It does point out one glaring deficiency in U.S gun control
laws, that persons with mental problems aren't effectively screened by
current methods.
tdcao@excite.com (TC) wrote:
Yeah... ban them all, idiot!!
Banning folk with mental problems isn't the answer.
Helping them is.
You should consider getting some help...
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Which tells me those 8 idiots were drunk out of their skulls - like all hunters.
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James H. Hood wrote:
You consider murdering helpless people to be an appropriate
response to insults.
Multiple armed drunken racist bigots who gang up, attack and assault
one man aren't "helpless" ... just stupid ... and now DEAD!
Good @$#*ing riddance!
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Melissa wrote:
boogieman <dan040@sympatico.ca> wrote :
They had huge "POSTED - NO TRESSPASSING" signs up on the
land.
Sez the psychotic gun dyke who want's to ingore "POSTED -- NO WEAPONS,
CONCEALED or NOT" signs posted on private property.
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