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Someone needs to make this girl dead:
Posted 11/27/2004 4:14 PM
Father arrested after attempt to discipline daughter backfires
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) A father's attempt to teach his daughter a lesson
about drinking backfired when the teen led police to a stash of drugs
and weapons inside their home.
Kevin Winston, 46, called police at 2:45 a.m. Friday after his
16-year-old daughter came home drunk and unruly. When police arrived,
however, the girl told them she feared for her safety because her
father stored drugs and weapons in the home.
The girl led officers to a crawl space above the ceiling where they
found four semiautomatic guns and more than 600 vials of cocaine.
Winston was charged with numerous weapons and drug charges. His five
daughters were placed in the custody of a relative.
"He called us on her and ended up getting locked up himself," said
Newark Police Director Anthony Ambrose.
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Someone needs to make this girl dead:
Posted 11/27/2004 4:14 PM
Father arrested after attempt to discipline daughter backfires
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) < A father's attempt to teach his daughter a lesson
about drinking backfired when the teen led police to a stash of drugs
and weapons inside their home.
Kevin Winston, 46, called police at 2:45 a.m. Friday after his
16-year-old daughter came home drunk and unruly. When police arrived,
however, the girl told them she feared for her safety because her
father stored drugs and weapons in the home.
The girl led officers to a crawl space above the ceiling where they
found four semiautomatic guns and more than 600 vials of cocaine.
Winston was charged with numerous weapons and drug charges. His five
daughters were placed in the custody of a relative.
"He called us on her and ended up getting locked up himself," said
Newark Police Director Anthony Ambrose.
The so-called "War on Drugs" teaches children that their first duty and
loyalty belongs to the state.
Jeff
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Anthony Ambrose.
The so-called "War on Drugs" teaches children that their first duty and
loyalty belongs to the state.
ummm..isn't that in your Pledge of Allegiance and all that other flag
worshipping #@($ you people are force fed from birth?
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Anthony Ambrose.
ummm..isn't that in your Pledge of Allegiance and all that other flag
worshipping #@($ you people are force fed from birth?
No.
Jeff
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Anthony Ambrose.
ummm..isn't that in your Pledge of Allegiance and all that other flag
worshipping #@($ you people are force fed from birth?
Clueless AND rude.
What a pleasant combination
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:34:05 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
<j.mccann@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
The so-called "War on Drugs" teaches children that their first duty and
loyalty belongs to the state.
Jeff
Chuckle, it's possible that is the reason, Jeff.
But doubtful.
16 yr old, drunk, openly rebellious towards parent ... almost
certainly just engaging in "getting even". Doing some "payback".
My wife and I deal with youth regularly. And it's my observation what
"War on Drugs" or no war on drugs, many of em will cover for their
parents.
Heck, I've known many who'll know damned well mom or dad, or both, are
druggies or alcoholics. And may even hate that. But they'll deny it
to selves and to others, make excuses for their parents' behavior.
Whatever it takes. Not the least uncommon for em to even put up with
emotional and physical, even sexual, abuse, and to try to cover that
up, and make excuses for the parent doing it.
This young lady is probably just a rebellious brat. And probably with
good reason. Who wanted to "get even".
Just my opinion.
Bob
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And possibly the guns and drugs were hers and the father knew nothing of
them. Another example of being guilty and having to prove yourself innocent.
--
Wade Riddering
Independent Associate
Manager
Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc.
www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/wriddering
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:34:05 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
<j.mccann@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Chuckle, it's possible that is the reason, Jeff.
But doubtful.
16 yr old, drunk, openly rebellious towards parent ... almost
certainly just engaging in "getting even". Doing some "payback".
My wife and I deal with youth regularly. And it's my observation what
"War on Drugs" or no war on drugs, many of em will cover for their
parents.
Heck, I've known many who'll know damned well mom or dad, or both, are
druggies or alcoholics. And may even hate that. But they'll deny it
to selves and to others, make excuses for their parents' behavior.
Whatever it takes. Not the least uncommon for em to even put up with
emotional and physical, even sexual, abuse, and to try to cover that
up, and make excuses for the parent doing it.
This young lady is probably just a rebellious brat. And probably with
good reason. Who wanted to "get even".
Just my opinion.
Bob
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er.. OR we can learn from this:
if you have tons of illegal drugs and weapons stashed in your place it's
probably NOT a good idea to call the cops on a rebellious daughter who knows
all the hiding places in your house.
Too bad this dude spread his not-quite-Einsteinian genes to his kids before
he could be removed from the pool.
Clueless AND rude.
What a pleasant combination
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:02:37 GMT, "Wade Riddering"
<wriddering@prepaidlegal.com> wrote:
And possibly the guns and drugs were hers and the father knew nothing of
them. Another example of being guilty and having to prove yourself innocent.
Chuckle, ohhh, I suppose anything is possible.
I didn't note that the original post mentioning this case said the
fellow has beed found guilty. What I read said that he'd been
"charged".
Last I knew there is a difference between being charged and being
guilty.
If there is not, could you explain that to me?
Or were yah so busy chasing ambulances during law school that yah
missed that portion of the classes?
Bob
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In article <271120041625506968%timcmay@removethis.got.net>, timcmay@removethis.got.net says...
Someone needs to make this girl
Hey, Tim, you misspelled your own name, there. What you
clearly meant to say was 'Someone needs to make Tim May..."
dead:
Indeed.
Posted 11/27/2004 4:14 PM
Father arrested after attempt to discipline daughter backfires
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) A father's attempt to teach his daughter a lesson
about drinking backfired when the teen led police to a stash of drugs
and weapons inside their home.
Kevin Winston, 46, called police at 2:45 a.m. Friday after his
16-year-old daughter came home drunk and unruly. When police arrived,
however, the girl told them she feared for her safety because her
father stored drugs and weapons in the home.
The girl led officers to a crawl space above the ceiling where they
found four semiautomatic guns and more than 600 vials of cocaine.
Winston was charged with numerous weapons and drug charges. His five
daughters were placed in the custody of a relative.
"He called us on her and ended up getting locked up himself," said
Newark Police Director Anthony Ambrose.
OK. So he's got a drunk, angry teenager who's at an age when she
might spill anything she knows for revenge, he's got illegal drugs
and guns hidden around the house, and he calls the police on her.
....
Uh-huh.
Sounds to me like things worked out perfectly.
FW
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Tim May wrote:
Someone needs to make this girl dead:
Posted 11/27/2004 4:14 PM
Uh no. Actually the girl should be given a medal for her bravery in turning
in her dope dealing, gun toting daddy.
Or is your drug source now in jail?
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"Richard" wrote:
Tim May wrote:
Uh no. Actually the girl should be given a medal for her bravery in
turning
in her dope dealing, gun toting daddy.
Yesterday it was drugs, today it is guns. Maybe next year they'll bust in
your door for your Bible, and some assclown on usenet will act righteous
about some "dope dealing, gun toting, bible thumper" getting busted.
Maybe we can burn some witches afterwards just for the hell of it, eh?.
Jon
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Oh it would be a rosy day
If all the bible thumpers were locked away!
Then the world wouldn't say
The US is run by a horde of bible-beating hillbilly crackers.
"Richard" wrote:
turning
Yesterday it was drugs, today it is guns. Maybe next year they'll bust in
your door for your Bible, and some assclown on usenet will act righteous
about some "dope dealing, gun toting, bible thumper" getting busted.
Maybe we can burn some witches afterwards just for the hell of it, eh?.
Jon
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:02:37 GMT, "Wade Riddering" <wriddering@prepaidlegal.com>
wrote:
And possibly the guns and drugs were hers and the father knew nothing of
them. Another example of being guilty and having to prove yourself innocent.
600 vials of cocaine? I'm not positive, but I'd lean away from thinking they
belonged to the teenager on this one. ;)
(snip)
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Falky foo wrote:
Oh it would be a rosy day
If all the bible thumpers were locked away!
Then the world wouldn't say
The US is run by a horde of bible-beating hillbilly crackers.
Can I get an AMEN on that please?!
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Tim May wrote:
Someone needs to make this girl dead:
No, Daddy needs his ass plowed in prison. He was going to send his
daughter to prison for getting drunk, instead of taking care of the
problem himself.
Father arrested after attempt to discipline daughter backfires
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) A father's attempt to teach his daughter a lesson
about drinking backfired when the teen led police to a stash of drugs
and weapons inside their home.
Couldn't handle his own kid, so he *called* Johnny Law to do it for him?
Payback's a #@&@
. Now, Daddy is gonna be Bubba J. Lovemuscle's #@&@
.
So, drunk-and-disorderly-girl can go wrap herself Civic around a tree or
OD tomorrow night, and *ta-da* - two problems taken care of...
CC
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
09:37:34 -0600, by Richard, we read:
Tim May wrote:
Uh no. Actually the girl should be given a medal for her bravery in turning
in her dope dealing, gun toting daddy.
Or is your drug source now in jail?
Bravery? I suspect her later years will see her regret her
decision.
If the father did not have the best of intentions toward the
daughter he would not have called the cops.
So what was the real crime?
Many people, maybe most, believe that either drug or gun laws are
unlawful. Typically Democrats are opposed to drug laws and for
gun laws. For the Republicans, the reverse. The inherent
hypocrisy of political minds.
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
22:23:30 GMT, by Falky foo, we read:
Oh it would be a rosy day
If all the bible thumpers were locked away!
Then the world wouldn't say
The US is run by a horde of bible-beating hillbilly crackers.
Right. They would instead say that in the US free thought
is illegal.
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
21:28:21 -0600, by CC, we read:
Tim May wrote:
No, Daddy needs his ass plowed in prison. He was going to send his
daughter to prison for getting drunk, instead of taking care of the
problem himself.
Couldn't handle his own kid, so he *called* Johnny Law to do it for him?
Payback's a #@&@
. Now, Daddy is gonna be Bubba J. Lovemuscle's #@&@
.
You should seek a remedy for those homosexual fantasies.
So, drunk-and-disorderly-girl can go wrap herself Civic around a tree or
OD tomorrow night, and *ta-da* - two problems taken care of...
CC
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Strabo wrote:
In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
21:28:21 -0600, by CC, we read:
You should seek a remedy for those homosexual fantasies.
Feeling all protective for him now? "The Man be holdin' him down", huh?
So you think it's better he send his 16-year old daughter to prison so
*she* can get abused rather than him? Especially when he's dealing coke
to kids? (Oh, what, you think he asks for ID?)
Don't have children.
CC
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In article <hfrlq0p6be78q8vf4tra72i9gj73rt6ilu@4ax.com>,
Strabo <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote:
In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
09:37:34 -0600, by Richard, we read:
Bravery? I suspect her later years will see her regret her
decision.
If the father did not have the best of intentions toward the
daughter he would not have called the cops.
What makes her intentions bad and his good? If the drugs and guns
were his, it sound like they both did pretty much the same thing.
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on 29 Nov 2004 08:45:34
-0500, by tjab, we read:
In article <hfrlq0p6be78q8vf4tra72i9gj73rt6ilu@4ax.com>,
Strabo <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote:
What makes her intentions bad and his good? If the drugs and guns
were his, it sound like they both did pretty much the same thing.
I can create various scenarios where one might have medical drugs
and guns, and not all are criminal. But that's speculation. He
doesn't appear to me as your common run-of-the-mill dope dealer.
We shall see.
His major failing is 1) his inability to socialize and control
his child and 2) whining to the state about it. The guy has some
problems. No mention of a mother so that's one.
As for her action - children should never rat on their
family or friends. They should tell a friend or relative
who can then arrange a remedy but you never call in
outside force against your parents.
I also believe a man's home is his castle and is inviolate
so don't expect the usual law and order grandstanding from me.
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Mon, 29 Nov 2004
06:14:13 -0600, by CC, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Feeling all protective for him now? "The Man be holdin' him down", huh?
No. I'm on a one man crusade to cleanup the airwaves. :-)
So you think it's better he send his 16-year old daughter to prison so
*she* can get abused rather than him? Especially when he's dealing coke
to kids? (Oh, what, you think he asks for ID?)
I don't recall suggesting that and I certainly don't know that he
was "dealing coke". Neither one had any business calling in the
state. That both did shows their lack of character and
imagination.
Don't have children.
CC
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In article <5e0nq09laf2rv2sho053cat761gqim1lin@4ax.com>, Strabo
<strabo@flashnet.com> wrote:
I can create various scenarios where one might have medical drugs
and guns, and not all are criminal. But that's speculation. He
doesn't appear to me as your common run-of-the-mill dope dealer.
We shall see.
The "guns" part is very likely not even a crime. Unless the guns are
banned by federal law, nearly all states--even most of the
communist-controlled blue states--have no particular laws limiting the
number or types of guns owned.
But "cops found an arsenal of guns," or even the misleading "illegal
arsenal of high-power weapons," a favorite of hoplophobes and statists,
sells newspapers.
The vials of cocaine, allegedly, are a more serious issue.
His major failing is 1) his inability to socialize and control
his child and 2) whining to the state about it. The guy has some
problems. No mention of a mother so that's one.
As for her action - children should never rat on their
family or friends. They should tell a friend or relative
who can then arrange a remedy but you never call in
outside force against your parents.
Kids ratting out their parents is an old theme. Pavel Morozov ratted
out his father to the Stalinists. His father went to a labor camp.
Little Pavel was killed by a mob, presumably of his relatives.
This was justice.
I have a t-shirt I sometimes wear. On it is the "D.A.R.E." logo in
large red letters. Under the logo is this, in smaller black letters:
"I turned in my parents and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
--Tim May
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In article <5e0nq09laf2rv2sho053cat761gqim1lin@4ax.com>, Strabo
<strabo@flashnet.com> wrote:
The "guns" part is very likely not even a crime. Unless the guns are
banned by federal law, nearly all states--even most of the
communist-controlled blue states--have no particular laws limiting the
number or types of guns owned.[snip]
Having guns AND illegal drugs may be an additional offense. Not my area of
law, but generally, if you have guns in furtherance of a drug crime, such as
to protect your stash or yourself while transporting your staff, then you
get an additional charge and/or an enhanced penalty.
Jeff
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Strabo wrote:
No. I'm on a one man crusade to cleanup the airwaves. :-)
Yeah, got a little graphic up there - still think he deserves what he gets.
I don't recall suggesting that and I certainly don't know that he
was "dealing coke". Neither one had any business calling in the
state. That both did shows their lack of character and
imagination.
"600 vials of cocaine" were found in his possession. I'm no
mathematician, but...
Regardless, he's supposed to be the adult father of a teenaged girl, and
she's supposed to be the teenaged girl. He's supposed to discipline
her, and if she has any spirit at all, she'll rebel. That's how stuff
works here in the land of milk and honey.
So, daughter gets "unruly" and Dad wants to send her to lockup, rather
than sorting out her problem "in-house". Well - he's just a *tad*
unruly as well, don't you think?
My last call on the subject: Who called the cops to the house? Her or him?
CC
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On 28 Nov 2004 15:32:38 GMT, fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com (Frank White) wrote:
In article <271120041625506968%timcmay@removethis.got.net>, timcmay@removethis.got.net says...
Hey, Tim, you misspelled your own name, there. What you
clearly meant to say was 'Someone needs to make Tim May..."
Indeed.
Maybe Tim May should put a classified ad in the paper advertising for a hitman
to kill that girl. Oh wait, he couldn't do that. That would require that
ingredient he lacks, balls. OK, first he needs to put an ad in the paper looking
for someone with a pair of balls. ;)
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In Re: Someone needs to kill this girl on Mon, 29 Nov 2004
20:10:43 -0600, by CC, we read:
Strabo wrote:
Yeah, got a little graphic up there - still think he deserves what he gets.
"600 vials of cocaine" were found in his possession. I'm no
mathematician, but...
It was said the vials and the guns were found in a crawl space
under the house.
Regardless, he's supposed to be the adult father of a teenaged girl, and
she's supposed to be the teenaged girl. He's supposed to discipline
her, and if she has any spirit at all, she'll rebel. That's how stuff
works here in the land of milk and honey.
So, daughter gets "unruly" and Dad wants to send her to lockup, rather
than sorting out her problem "in-house". Well - he's just a *tad*
unruly as well, don't you think?
The word has gotten around about the parental punishment thing.
Some parents are afraid to touch them and call the cops instead.
Maybe he just wanted it on the record.
My last call on the subject: Who called the cops to the house? Her or him?
Probably an informer.
CC
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In article <0630r0lotd5da4nt6p2ik243euv8sddvnn@4ax.com>, Strabo
<strabo@flashlight.net> wrote:
The word has gotten around about the parental punishment thing.
Some parents are afraid to touch them and call the cops instead.
Maybe he just wanted it on the record.
It is illegal for parents to discipline their children, these days,
except in newage sorts of ways: "I'm taking away your Mastercard for 10
days and requiring you to introduce us to your prospective sex
partners."
Savvy kids know that a claim of "abuse" gets them better bargaining
power.
We need to return to the time when if a kid died, it was a tragedy, but
it was "just one of those tragedies."
From what I can see, things would be better if about 20% of the
delinquents just never made it out of their teenaged years, which is
not far from the percentage in the old days, before the dogooders and
Jews and statists started butting in.
--Tim May
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"Jon Danniken" <jonREMOVETHISdanniken@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<30ud0mF34luc6U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Richard" wrote:
turning
Yesterday it was drugs, today it is guns. Maybe next year they'll bust in
your door for your Bible, and some assclown on usenet will act righteous
about some "dope dealing, gun toting, bible thumper" getting busted.
Maybe we can burn some witches afterwards just for the hell of it, eh?.
Jon
Whoa, from drugs and guns to bibles is a stellar leap.
Mez
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