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Arif Khokar wrote this on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:45:18 +0000. My reply
is below.
Justin wrote:
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the cause of
1/3 of accidents,
It's more like 4.2%. The figure is even lower when you consider
that exceeding the posted speed limit is a subset (i.e., not the
entire set) of speeding related crashes.
In 2003, there were 101,393 fatal crashes. Excessive speed was
implicated (whether or not the driver was cited) in 20.0% of them.
Substance abuse (including alcohol) was implicated in 10.2%.
Substance abuse was discounted in 16.8%. Substance abuse was unknown
or not recorded for the remainder (73.0%).
Of those fatal crashes in which excessive speed was a factor,
substance abuse was implicated almost twice as often (19.9%). Of
those fatal crashes in which substance abuse was suspected, excessive
speed was also noted almost twice as often (39.0%).
I'm posting from rec.motorcycles, so vehicle type is of interest to
me.
In 2003, there were 4,172 fatal crashes involving motorcycles.
Excessive speed was implicated in 35.3% of them. Substance abuse was
implicated in 14.8%.
Of those fatal motorcycle crashes in which excessive speed was a
factor, substance abuse was implicated in 20.9%. Of those fatal
motorcycle crashes in which substance abuse was suspected, excessive
speed was also noted in 49.8%.
Here's the table of figures:
Motorcycle Fatal Crashes
Abuse No Abuse *TOTAL
Speed 307 20.9% 186 12.6% 1471 35.3%
*TOTAL 617 14.8% 722 17.3% 4172 100.0%
*TOTAL Fatal Crashes (Vehicles of All Kinds)
Abuse No Abuse *TOTAL
Speed 4040 19.9% 2222 10.9% 20296 20.0%
*TOTAL 10352 10.2% 17017 16.8% 101393 100.0%
[United States. Department of Transportation. National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration. National Center for Statistics and
Analysis. Fatality Analysis Reporting System. Online. Internet. 15
Dec. 2004.]
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Chuck Rhode wrote:
Arif Khokar wrote this on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:45:18 +0000. My reply
is below.
Justin wrote:
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the cause of
1/3 of accidents,
It's more like 4.2%. The figure is even lower when you consider
that exceeding the posted speed limit is a subset (i.e., not the
entire set) of speeding related crashes.
In 2003, there were 101,393 fatal crashes. Excessive speed was
implicated (whether or not the driver was cited) in 20.0% of them.
From the NHTSA:
"In 2001, speeding was a contributing factor in 30% of all fatal crashes
....
[Thirty-nine] percent of the intoxicated drivers (BAC = 0.08 or higher)
involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared with only 14 percent
of the sober drivers (BAC = 0.00) involved in fatal crashes."
Fourteen percent of 30% is equal to 4.2%.
Therefore, sober speeders were responsible for 4.2% of the total number
of fatal crashes in 2001.
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Arif Khokar wrote:
Chuck Rhode wrote:
Justin wrote:
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the cause of
1/3 of accidents,
It's more like 4.2%. The figure is even lower when you consider
that exceeding the posted speed limit is a subset (i.e., not the
entire set) of speeding related crashes.
From the NHTSA:
"In 2001, speeding was a contributing factor in 30% of all fatal crashes
That's what they said, but it's false. They only know that one
of the parties was speeding. But even if that WERE true....
...
[Thirty-nine] percent of the intoxicated drivers (BAC = 0.08 or higher)
involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared with only 14 percent
of the sober drivers (BAC = 0.00) involved in fatal crashes."
Fourteen percent of 30% is equal to 4.2%.
You can't get there from here. 14% of sober drivers of sober drivers
involved in fatal accidents were speeding. You don't know the
relative numbers of intoxicated (>= 0.08), intermediate (0.01-0.07), or
sober (0.00)
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Chuck Rhode wrote:
Justin wrote:
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the
cause of
1/3 of accidents,
It's more like 4.2%. The figure is even lower when you
consider
that exceeding the posted speed limit is a subset (i.e.,
not the
entire set) of speeding related crashes.
From the NHTSA:
"In 2001, speeding was a contributing factor in 30% of all
fatal crashes
NHTSA? Those IDIOT hypocephalic rejects from the village
idiot school? The people who wanted to FORCE the
"safercycle" on the world? Who thought seatbelts on a
motorcycle was a Good idea? Those @$#*ers? I trust them as
far as I can throw a blue whale one handed.
[Thirty-nine] percent of the intoxicated drivers (BAC =
0.08 or higher)
involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared with
only 14 percent
of the sober drivers (BAC = 0.00) involved in fatal
crashes."
Fourteen percent of 30% is equal to 4.2%.
Therefore, sober speeders were responsible for 4.2% of the
total number
of fatal crashes in 2001.
Nope...completely wrong and being a dumb ass cage monkey.
Well let me make it easy to understand...it's speed
differential. Something most people like you don't
understand.
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
NHTSA? Those IDIOT hypocephalic rejects from the village
idiot school? The people who wanted to FORCE the
"safercycle" on the world? Who thought seatbelts on a
motorcycle was a Good idea? Those @$#*ers? I trust them as
far as I can throw a blue whale one handed.
Nope...completely wrong and being a dumb ass cage monkey.
Well let me make it easy to understand...it's speed
differential. Something most people like you don't
understand.
I believe we understand it all too well. Do me a favor, read your post
and then tell me with a straight face that you're not a complete asshole
and don't belong in my killfile.
naet
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:11:19 -0600, Chuck Rhode <cRhode@excel.net>
wrote:
Arif Khokar wrote this on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:45:18 +0000. My reply
is below.
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the cause of
1/3 of accidents,
In 2003, there were 101,393 fatal crashes. Excessive speed was
implicated (whether or not the driver was cited) in 20.0% of them.
So 80% of the time, it's something else, usually stupidity. But,
since it's easier to get a conviction for speeding than for stupidity,
speeding tickets will still be the primary income for police
departments.
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Gary L. Burnore wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:11:19 -0600, Chuck Rhode <cRhode@excel.net>
wrote:
So 80% of the time, it's something else, usually stupidity. But,
since it's easier to get a conviction for speeding than for stupidity,
speeding tickets will still be the primary income for police
departments.
Well, if they pulled every stupid person's driver's license...
wait a minute, there's really no downside to that plan, is there?
(parking lot at work might be kinda empty next Monday morning though)
nate
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SNIP
Nope...completely wrong and being a dumb ass cage monkey.
Well let me make it easy to understand...it's speed
differential. Something most people like you don't
understand.
I believe we understand it all too well. Do me a favor,
read your post and then tell me with a straight face that
you're not a complete asshole and don't belong in my
killfile.
I am not a compleate asshole...there are a few things I need
to do to achieve that. Tolerating stupid cunts is one of
them...putting up with soccer moms and any moron that claims
"it's for the children" will be a sign that I've become a
compleate asshole.
kill file me if you wish...I don't give a damn. I've stopped
the cross post to rec.motorcycles.
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Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt
jewelry once in a while.
Dum vivimus, vivamus
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<:(3 )~ <:(3 )~
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:58:17 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Well, if they pulled every stupid person's driver's license...
wait a minute, there's really no downside to that plan, is there?
Well, one. We'd need more busses.
(parking lot at work might be kinda empty next Monday morning though)
Heh.
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:28:00 GMT, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu>
wrote:
Chuck Rhode wrote:
Justin wrote:
Er...you just contradicted yourself. If speeding is the cause of
1/3 of accidents,
It's more like 4.2%. The figure is even lower when you consider
that exceeding the posted speed limit is a subset (i.e., not the
entire set) of speeding related crashes.
From the NHTSA:
"In 2001, speeding was a contributing factor in 30% of all fatal crashes
I think the Feds consider anything to be a facotr if *anyone* involved
was doing that thing.
Alcohol, for example, is a factor if a passenger in a back seat was
drinking.
Speed is the same way; if *any* of the drivers involved was speeding
(even the one not found liable) is speeding, then speeding is
considered a factor.
Such figures need to be taken with a can of salt when the Feds are
involved.
...
[Thirty-nine] percent of the intoxicated drivers (BAC = 0.08 or higher)
involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared with only 14 percent
of the sober drivers (BAC = 0.00) involved in fatal crashes."
Fourteen percent of 30% is equal to 4.2%.
Therefore, sober speeders were responsible for 4.2% of the total number
of fatal crashes in 2001.
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Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
Nope...completely wrong and being a dumb ass cage monkey.
Well let me make it easy to understand...it's speed
differential.
Strict adherence to KRETP would minimize the danger from speed
differential as well. You seem to have the misconception that
rec.autos.driving is full of people who believe in the "speed kills"
bull#@($. The majority of us who post there (including myself) do not.
I just bring up what I posted above when people say that a substantial
number of crashes are speed related, therefore speed kills.
Please take the time and actually read what I posted before, because I
think you completely misinterpreted it.
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