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There are Right Wing Idiots out here like Gactimus and Osprey, who
laugh when they see video of US pilots bombing innocent civilians
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/F-16%20in%20Falluja.wmv
Or shooting unarmed civilians as the lie on the ground. They, like the
troops and pilots who murder these civilians, think it is funny.
Best of all, they simply DENY we are killing civilians. They say
"don't believe your eyes, believe me."
How about we believe those who have been there?
Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey: "I felt like we were committing genocide
in Iraq."
He had complained to his superiors about the "killing of innocent
civilians," but that nothing was done.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45313-2004Dec7.html
http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/Staff_Sergeant_Jimmy.html
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html
An Iraqi named Nagem Sadoon Hatab died from injuries after Lance
Corporal Christian Hernandez dragged him by the neck from one holding
area to another on the orders of Major Clarke Paulus. Corporal Roy has
been given immunity for his testimony.
http://www.jamesglaser.org/2004/p20040205.html
As one reporter stated:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html
When I talked with Massey last week, he expressed his remorse at the
civilian loss of life in incidents in which he himself was involved.
Q: You spent 12 years in the Marines. When were you sent to Iraq?
A: I went to Kuwait around Jan. 17. I was in Iraq from the get-go. And
I was involved in the initial invasion.
Q: What does the public need to know about your experiences as a
Marine?
A: The cause of the Iraqi revolt against the American occupation. What
they need to know is we killed a lot of innocent people. I think at
first the Iraqis had the understanding that casualties are a part of
war. But over the course of time, the occupation hurt the Iraqis. And I
didn't see any humanitarian support.
Q: What experiences turned you against the war and made you leave the
Marines?
A: I was in charge of a platoon that consists of machine gunners and
missile men. Our job was to go into certain areas of the towns and
secure the roadways. There was this one particular incident - and
there's many more - the one that really pushed me over the edge. It
involved a car with Iraqi civilians. From all the intelligence reports
we were getting, the cars were loaded down with suicide bombs or
material. That's the rhetoric we received from intelligence. They came
upon our checkpoint. We fired some warning shots. They didn't slow
down. So we lit them up.
Q: Lit up? You mean you fired machine guns?
A: Right. Every car that we lit up we were expecting ammunition to go
off. But we never heard any. Well, this particular vehicle we didn't
destroy completely, and one gentleman looked up at me and said: "Why
did you kill my brother? We didn't do anything wrong." That hit me like
a ton of bricks.
Q: He spoke English?
A: Oh, yeah.
Q: Baghdad was being bombed. The civilians were trying to get out,
right?
A: Yes. They received pamphlets, propaganda we dropped on them. It
said, "Just throw up your hands, lay down weapons." That's what they
were doing, but we were still lighting them up. They weren't in
uniform. We never found any weapons.
Q: You got to see the bodies and casualties?
A: Yeah, firsthand. I helped throw them in a ditch.
Q: Over what period did all this take place?
A: During the invasion of Baghdad.
'We lit him up pretty good'
Q: How many times were you involved in checkpoint "light-ups"?
A: Five times. There was [the city of] Rekha. The gentleman was
driving a stolen work utility van. He didn't stop. With us being
trigger happy, we didn't really give this guy much of a chance. We lit
him up pretty good. Then we inspected the back of the van. We found
nothing. No explosives.
Q: The reports said the cars were loaded with explosives. In all the
incidents did you find that to be the case?
A: Never. Not once. There were no secondary explosions. As a matter of
fact, we lit up a rally after we heard a stray gunshot.
Q: A demonstration? Where?
A: On the outskirts of Baghdad. Near a military compound. There were
demonstrators at the end of the street. They were young and they had no
weapons. And when we rolled onto the scene, there was already a tank
that was parked on the side of the road. If the Iraqis wanted to do
something, they could have blown up the tank. But they didn't. They
were only holding a demonstration. Down at the end of the road, we saw
some RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades) lined up against the wall. That
put us at ease because we thought: "Wow, if they were going to blow us
up, they would have done it."
Q: Were the protest signs in English or Arabic?
A: Both.
Q: Who gave the order to wipe the demonstrators out?
A: Higher command. We were told to be on the lookout for the civilians
because a lot of the Fedayeen and the Republican Guards had tossed away
uniforms and put on civilian clothes and were mounting terrorist
attacks on American soldiers. The intelligence reports that were given
to us were basically known by every member of the chain of command. The
rank structure that was implemented in Iraq by the chain of command was
evident to every Marine in Iraq. The order to shoot the demonstrators,
I believe, came from senior government officials, including
intelligence communities within the military and the U.S. government.
Q: What kind of firepower was employed?
A: M-16s, 50-cal. machine guns.
Q: You fired into six or ten kids? Were they all taken out?
A: Oh, yeah. Well, I had a "mercy" on one guy. When we rolled up, he
was hiding behind a concrete pillar. I saw him and raised my weapon up,
and he put up his hands. He ran off. I told everybody, "Don't shoot."
Half of his foot was trailing behind him. So he was running with half
of his foot cut off.
Q: After you lit up the demonstration, how long before the next
incident?
A: Probably about one or two hours. This is another thing, too. I am
so glad I am talking with you, because I suppressed all of this.
Q: Well, I appreciate you giving me the information, as hard as it
must be to recall the painful details.
A: That's all right. It's kind of therapy for me. Because it's
something that I had repressed for a long time.
Q: And the incident?
A: There was an incident with one of the cars. We shot an individual
with his hands up. He got out of the car. He was badly shot. We lit him
up. I don't know who started shooting first. One of the Marines came
running over to where we were and said: "You all just shot a guy with
his hands up." Man, I forgot about this.
Depleted uranium and cluster bombs
Q: You mention machine guns. What can you tell me about cluster bombs,
or depleted uranium?
A: Depleted uranium. I know what it does. It's basically like leaving
plutonium rods around. I'm 32 years old. I have 80 percent of my lung
capacity. I ache all the time. I don't feel like a healthy 32-year-old.
Q: Were you in the vicinity of of depleted uranium?
A: Oh, yeah. It's everywhere. DU is everywhere on the battlefield. If
you hit a tank, there's dust.
Q: Did you breath any dust?
A: Yeah.
Q: And if DU is affecting you or ou
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"David W. Barnes" wrote:
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Q: What experiences turned you against the war and made you leave the
Marines?
A: I was in charge of a platoon that consists of machine gunners and
missile men. Our job was to go into certain areas of the towns and
secure the roadways. There was this one particular incident - and
there's many more - the one that really pushed me over the edge. It
involved a car with Iraqi civilians. From all the intelligence reports
we were getting, the cars were loaded down with suicide bombs or
material. That's the rhetoric we received from intelligence. They came
upon our checkpoint. We fired some warning shots. They didn't slow
down. So we lit them up.
Q: Lit up? You mean you fired machine guns?
A: Right. Every car that we lit up we were expecting ammunition to go
off. But we never heard any. Well, this particular vehicle we didn't
destroy completely, and one gentleman looked up at me and said: "Why
did you kill my brother? We didn't do anything wrong." That hit me like
a ton of bricks.<sinp>
Right, he is ill-equipped to fight terrorism then. Terrorists would load
civilians up and send them to the checkpoints while holding family hostage.
This puts the American soldier in the position of having to do what he had
to do. It is what it is. The obvious point, they should have stopped.
""Why did you kill my brother?"
Because you did not stop. Why did you not stop?
The fellow using this is probably one of those soldiers who just does not
get it, like John Kerry.
http://mynym.blogspot.com/2004/11/ace-and-turkeys.html
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--W
http://mynym.blogspot.com/
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There are Right Wing Idiots out here like Gactimus and Osprey, who
laugh when they see video of US pilots bombing innocent civilians
Barnes, I can't speak for Osprey or Gac, but this much I can tell you.
If your gang can tell us without cracking a smile that 32 million
infants whose lives have been snuffed out are a figment of my
imagination, then I can tell you shove any "documentation" you have
that even the earth orbits the sun, much less us willfully bombing
innocent civilians. Anyway, your crowd cares about innocent human life
like Hitler cared about Jews, maybe less.
Or shooting unarmed civilians as the lie on the ground. They, like the
troops and pilots who murder these civilians, think it is funny.
Well, lots of your abortovorkians think killing babies is hilarious,
too. Maybe it's rubbing off.
Best of all, they simply DENY we are killing civilians. They say
"don't believe your eyes, believe me."
Yeah, sort of like your crowd asking us for names, dates, birth
certificates, eye color, hair color and fingerprints of those 32
million infants chucked into dumpsters outside abortion mills. Nope,
never happened, right? Maybe that's rubbing off as well.
How about we believe those who have been there?
Why, your gang doesn't believe human beings are being aborted and tell
us women are having warts or something like that removed. Yep, it keeps
on rubbing off!
Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey: "I felt like we were committing genocide
in Iraq."
You want genocide, sir? 32 million is genocide, not a few hundred enemy
casualties.
Cleopatra
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Cleopatra <Blue_States_Blow@linkedto.pointyhats.com> wrote:
There are Right Wing Idiots out here like Gactimus and Osprey, who
laugh when they see video of US pilots bombing innocent civilians
There are right wing idiots like you who want to see Muslims killed by
the millions.
Barnes, I can't speak for Osprey or Gac, but this much I can tell you.
If your gang can tell us without cracking a smile that 32 million
infants whose lives have been snuffed out are a figment of my
imagination,
They're a figment of your imagination, lunatic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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In article <1103413448.049643.65000@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Cleopatra <Blue_States_Blow@linkedto.pointyhats.com> wrote:
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There are Right Wing Idiots out here like Gactimus and Osprey, who
laugh when they see video of US pilots bombing innocent civilians
But you still support them. Why?
Barnes, I can't speak for Osprey or Gac, but this much I can tell you.
If your gang can tell us without cracking a smile that 32 million
infants whose lives have been snuffed out are a figment of my
imagination, then I can tell you shove any "documentation" you have
that even the earth orbits the sun, much less us willfully bombing
innocent civilians. Anyway, your crowd cares about innocent human life
like Hitler cared about Jews, maybe less.
You opinion. Big deal. How many children have you adopted?
Or shooting unarmed civilians as the lie on the ground. They, like the
troops and pilots who murder these civilians, think it is funny.
Well, lots of your abortovorkians think killing babies is hilarious,
too. Maybe it's rubbing off.
You sure have a lot of excuses. And what is this childish making up of
words you pro-lifers do (abortovorkians)? Is seems almost exclusively
Right Wing.
Best of all, they simply DENY we are killing civilians. They say
"don't believe your eyes, believe me."
Yeah, sort of like your crowd asking us for names, dates, birth
certificates, eye color, hair color and fingerprints of those 32
million infants chucked into dumpsters outside abortion mills. Nope,
never happened, right? Maybe that's rubbing off as well.
Real responsible bunch you are.
How about we believe those who have been there?
Why, your gang doesn't believe human beings are being aborted and tell
us women are having warts or something like that removed. Yep, it keeps
on rubbing off!
We say the choice is yours. Nothing more.
Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey: "I felt like we were committing genocide
in Iraq."
You want genocide, sir? 32 million is genocide, not a few hundred enemy
casualties.
Great explaination.
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