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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:27 -0500, Hal Terrie
<halNOSPAMterrie@comcast.net> wrote:
You are wrong. I very strongly support the move to Crossville.
I think the "costly disaster" would have been the move to Liberty, NY.
After reading the reports of Steve Shutt and Bill Goichberg (published
on this forum) I couldn't understand how anyone could conclude
otherwise. The Shutt report painted a bleak picture of a white
elephant of a building that, as Tim Hanke wrote, we would not want to
accept even for free. As for the Goichberg report, I found it entirely
unconvincing - there were too many hidden assumptions underlying his
analyses and he gave no sources for his various cost estimates.
-- Hal Terrie
There are several very serious problems with the Shutt Report. You
seem to be an intelligent person. I am surprised that you cannot see
it.
Here are some examples:
1. The Shutt Report suggests that the employees are enthusiastic about
moving to Crossville and they regarded that moving to Crossville would
be "just like getting a big raise" because of the lower costs of
living in Crossville. I suspect that Judy Misner said that, because
she receives a relatively high salary. The Shutt Report was written in
2003. It has not been updated. At that time, it was believed that
about half of the USCF Staff would be willing to move to Crossville.
However, Frank Niro reported recently that when Beatriz fired 17 staff
members on August 20, 2003, almost all of the people she fired were
the ones who had expressed a willingness to move to Crossville.
2. Right now, only 2 staff members are definiitely commitrted to
moving to Crossville. Three or four others are considering it. At a
very maximum, only 6 staff members will be moving to Crossville. The
rest will have to be laid off and receive severence pay (after all
they have worked for an average of 7 years and so are entitled to
severence pay) and the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
3. The Shutt Report assumed that the USCF can build a new building in
Crossville of 4,000 square feet at a cost of $360,000. Again, this was
written more than one year ago. Costs are much higher now. The USCF
will need a minimim of 5000 square feet and that will cost $100 per
square feet plus we have to pay $60,000 for the architect. That comes
to $560,000 and meanwhile we just sold a building with 12,000 square
feet for $513,000. Where will we get the extra funds?
4. Hiring staff is not just a question of running an ad in the
newspapers. Getting good workers is a problem for every company. How
long will it take before we have a stable reliable staff? What will
the membership do when their memberships are not getting processed,
the tournaments are not rated and the magazine is not coming out. We
have already had these problems in New Windsor. It will obviously be
much worse in Crossville with entirely new staff.
5. The move to Crossville is really two moves. First we move from New
Windsor to an abandoned church in Crosville. Then, after one or two
years, we move from the church to the building that is supposed to be
built for us. Each move will cost money and time. By contrast, the
single move to Liberty would be much less costly. Perhaps more
importantly, we could move to Liberty piecemeal. For example, we could
move the magazine operations now, the tournament registration later,
completing the impove in a month or so, with the Executive Director
going back and forth as required. With the move to Crossville, we will
have to pull up stakes at once and move the whole thing and then,
since almost none of the staff will be moving, bring in and train new
people all at once.
6. The Shutt Report gives no consideration to the cost of the move.
Apparently, he thinks that the cost will be free or nominal. It
appears that Tim Hanke advocates throwing out all the old records
thereby reducing the cost of the move.
7. Liberty is close enough that almost all of our staff would remain.
The strongest point in favor of the move to Crossville is that we
would be able to get rid of our staff and start again fresh. Is this a
good reason for a move? Why not just gradually fire the staff that you
do not like?
Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children. I
believe that his business experience is limited. Do not you think it
would better to consult a professional in the field, instead of
relying on a purely amateur and not well-thought-out opnion?
Sam Sloan
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"Sam Sloan" < the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
Have any of you dumb @$#*ing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
local newspapers and actually interviewing people? No wonder the USCF is in
bankruptcy if you are hiring clerks via an Employment Agency.
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"Tom Lemming" <snl@dsl.com> writes:
Have any of you dumb @$#*ing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
local newspapers and actually interviewing people? No wonder the USCF is in
bankruptcy if you are hiring clerks via an Employment Agency.
Tom, Sam Sloan is not a USCF employee and has little understanding of
what the USCF staff does, much less any input into the hiring process
or the rest of the relocation plans. Much of what he writes is
speculation, at best, if not completely fabricated.
I have not heard of any plans to use an agency to hire the clerical
staff in Crossville, and since I'm part of the planning group for the
relocation, I would know of any such plans. They do plan to run ads in
the local papers, probably right after the first of the year.
But even before running an ad, they have already interviewed a number
of potential employees and have quite a few resumes from people who
appear to be highly qualified to work at the USCF and are excited at
the prospect of working for the USCF. I think it is quite possible
that the new combined membership/ratings department staff may
have an average rating of over 1500!
--
Mike Nolan
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"Mike Nolan" I think it is quite possible that the new combined
membership/ratings department staff may have an average rating of over 1500!
--
It is good to hear from someone who is actually involved. Based on the
information that Sam and others have posted, it would seem that the money in
the bank is being siphoned out to the personal use of a vindictive demented
lesbian and her lover while the USCF signs bogus contracts.
The implication is that someone will soon be leaving the USA with $500K and
that the USCF's files and records will be adandoned in some storage lot
(under the best scenario) while the USCF will remain obligated to various
contracts that it cannot afford to fulfill.
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Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children.
Sam Sloan is not a nice guy and he has no job.
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"Sam Sloan" < the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
Have any of you dumb @$#*ing bastards ever considered putting an ad in the
local newspapers and actually interviewing people?
Talk about dumb, you really think we're going to an agency?
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:44:27 -0500, Hal Terrie
<halNOSPAMterrie@comcast.net> wrote:
There are several very serious problems with the Shutt Report. You
seem to be an intelligent person. I am surprised that you cannot see
it.
Here are some examples:
1. The Shutt Report suggests that the employees are enthusiastic about
moving to Crossville and they regarded that moving to Crossville would
be "just like getting a big raise" because of the lower costs of
living in Crossville. I suspect that Judy Misner said that, because
she receives a relatively high salary. The Shutt Report was written in
2003. It has not been updated. At that time, it was believed that
about half of the USCF Staff would be willing to move to Crossville.
However, Frank Niro reported recently that when Beatriz fired 17 staff
members on August 20, 2003, almost all of the people she fired were
the ones who had expressed a willingness to move to Crossville.
2. Right now, only 2 staff members are definiitely commitrted to
moving to Crossville. Three or four others are considering it. At a
very maximum, only 6 staff members will be moving to Crossville. The
rest will have to be laid off and receive severence pay (after all
they have worked for an average of 7 years and so are entitled to
severence pay) and the USCF is going to have to pay agency fees to
hire at least 19 new people to replace them.
3. The Shutt Report assumed that the USCF can build a new building in
Crossville of 4,000 square feet at a cost of $360,000. Again, this was
written more than one year ago. Costs are much higher now. The USCF
will need a minimim of 5000 square feet and that will cost $100 per
square feet plus we have to pay $60,000 for the architect. That comes
to $560,000 and meanwhile we just sold a building with 12,000 square
feet for $513,000. Where will we get the extra funds?
4. Hiring staff is not just a question of running an ad in the
newspapers. Getting good workers is a problem for every company. How
long will it take before we have a stable reliable staff? What will
the membership do when their memberships are not getting processed,
the tournaments are not rated and the magazine is not coming out. We
have already had these problems in New Windsor. It will obviously be
much worse in Crossville with entirely new staff.
5. The move to Crossville is really two moves. First we move from New
Windsor to an abandoned church in Crosville. Then, after one or two
years, we move from the church to the building that is supposed to be
built for us. Each move will cost money and time. By contrast, the
single move to Liberty would be much less costly. Perhaps more
importantly, we could move to Liberty piecemeal. For example, we could
move the magazine operations now, the tournament registration later,
completing the impove in a month or so, with the Executive Director
going back and forth as required. With the move to Crossville, we will
have to pull up stakes at once and move the whole thing and then,
since almost none of the staff will be moving, bring in and train new
people all at once.
6. The Shutt Report gives no consideration to the cost of the move.
Apparently, he thinks that the cost will be free or nominal. It
appears that Tim Hanke advocates throwing out all the old records
thereby reducing the cost of the move.
7. Liberty is close enough that almost all of our staff would remain.
The strongest point in favor of the move to Crossville is that we
would be able to get rid of our staff and start again fresh. Is this a
good reason for a move? Why not just gradually fire the staff that you
do not like?
Steve Shutt is a nice guy but his job is to teach chess to children. I
believe that his business experience is limited. Do not you think it
would better to consult a professional in the field, instead of
relying on a purely amateur and not well-thought-out opnion?
Sam Sloan
I believe that if Sam's points prove fruitfull, then by the time the USCF
begins the move and then completes the move to crossville, I fear that there
will no longer be a USCF that will be operational.
Leopold
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