Legal rights for private info to be returned

Legal rights for private info to be returned

"Quyrah"	12/22/2004 9:14:32 AM
I have a question about how one would go about legally to get their personal information returned to them from a religious organization that excommunicates them and then keeps their records? Is there any way other than writing and requesting (since this doesn't work) of getting that personal information back or returned to them? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Q.



John Goggan	12/22/2004 5:39:09 PM
Quyrah wrote: I have a question about how one would go about legally to get their personal information returned to them from a religious organization that excommunicates them and then keeps their records? Is there any way other than writing and requesting (since this doesn't work) of getting that personal information back or returned to them? Any help will be greatly appreciated. What happens when you have written and requested? Do you even get a response? Did you send your request directly? Or did you give it to a local authority? Does the religious organization have a recommended way to be removed from their records? Have you asked them the proper way to do it? Also, how do you know that you are still "on their records"? Are they contacting you? - John...



esnesnommoc@urthlynk.c0m	12/24/2004 8:59:17 PM
On 22 Dec 2004, "Quyrah" <Taneekah@hotmail.com> wrote: I have a question about how one would go about legally to get their personal information returned to them from a religious organization that excommunicates them and then keeps their records? Is there any way other than writing and requesting (since this doesn't work) of getting that personal information back or returned to them? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Some questions you raise the answers to which you forgot to supply but which would affect how best to try to answer your questions: 1. When you agreed to become affiliated with the organization in question, did you not also agree to be bound by whatever were its rules and related conditions of membership and, if so, and if those rules/conditions included your having given its representatives whatever were the documents or other things including whatever is the information in issue, why should it return any of that stuff? 2. Apart from whatever documents/things you gave the organization comprising what you refer to as "information" which now belong to it, insofar as you also refer to "personal information" as such -- in other words, to what persons still affiliated with the organization know or at least would claim to know about you -- how can you ever realisically expect to have it returned to you in any way that is not functionally the same as believing one can un-ring a bell once it has been rung? 3. To what extent is the organization to which your refer akin to (or is it) the so-called "Church" of "Scientology" or some like enterprise that relentlessly sues to and far beyond the point of litigation abuse compared with one which, even if otherwise civilly suable, would be probably behave in a manner acquiescent of civil courts? 4. Insofar as the "other way?" about which you ask other than to continue to make ignored demands is to ask whether you probably may sue, and assuming if so that you had the econcomic means to do so, would the underlying dispute whether you or it are/aren't entitled to whatever is the information in question be a substantially religious one and, if so, why would you expect that civil courts would even entertain a lawsuit despite consitutional provisions that might suggest (or require) otherwise? If this were a claim likely to be raised (in other words, the the courts ought dismiss an attempted lawsuit on constitutional grounds), would it be worth it to you to try to sue anyway? 5. To what extent would your contemplated claim-making and, if you could afford it, suing actually be focused on your retrieving whatever is the information to which you refer in a way that would be cost-effective compared with mostly being a perversely self-destructive way for you to maintain a psychologically and emotionally counterproductive relationship with the organization which it does not want and which, reasonably viewed, would not benefit you? In other words if more simply put, even if there were some sort of "any way" that was not likely to be prohibitively expensive for you and that realisitcally could result in whatever are the things to which you refer as "information" being returned to you, why would it be desirable to pursue your claim at compared with your just doing nothing and instead getting on with your life? And if despite these practical considerations which your query in effect avoids addressing there did seem to be good reason to make and pursue a claim, what you you argue the basis to be for the return of whatever it is that you want returned?



gordonb.ukd3h@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)	12/24/2004 9:19:18 PM
I have a question about how one would go about legally to get their personal information returned to them from a religious organization that excommunicates them and then keeps their records? What does it mean to "return" INFORMATION? (as distinguished from DOCUMENTS). I've never been able to get out of giving employers my SSN on the grounds that I need it for my tax return and they might not give it back to me in time. Is there any way other than writing and requesting (since this doesn't work) of getting that personal information back or returned to them? If you handed over DOCUMENTS, you might or might not be able to get your copies of those returned, but you may assume they still have copies. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Gordon L. Burditt

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