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February 11, 2005
Torture, American Style
By BOB HERBERT NY Times
Maher Arar is a 34-year-old native of Syria who emigrated to Canada as a
teenager. On Sept. 26, 2002, as he was returning from a family vacation in
Tunisia, he was seized by American authorities at Kennedy Airport in New York,
where he was in the process of changing planes.
Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen, was not charged with a crime. But, as Jane Mayer
tells us in a compelling and deeply disturbing article in the current issue of
The New Yorker, he "was placed in handcuffs and leg irons by plainclothes
officials and transferred to an executive jet."
In an instant, Mr. Arar was swept into an increasingly common nightmare,
courtesy of the United States of America. The plane that took off with him from
Kennedy "flew to Washington, continued to Portland, Maine, stopped in Rome,
Italy, then landed in Amman, Jordan."
Any rights Mr. Arar might have thought he had, either as a Canadian citizen or a
human being, had been left behind. At times during the trip, Mr. Arar heard the
pilots and crew identify themselves in radio communications as members of "the
Special Removal Unit." He was being taken, on the orders of the U.S. government,
to Syria, where he would be tortured.
The title of Ms. Mayer's article is "Outsourcing Torture." It's a detailed
account of the frightening and extremely secretive U.S. program known as
"extraordinary rendition."
This is one of the great euphemisms of our time. Extraordinary rendition is the
name that's been given to the policy of seizing individuals without even the
semblance of due process and sending them off to be interrogated by regimes
known to practice torture. In terms of bad behavior, it stands side by side with
contract killings.
Our henchmen in places like Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Uzbekistan and Jordan are
torturing terror suspects at the behest of a nation - the United States - that
just went through a national election in which the issue of moral values was
supposed to have been decisive. How in the world did we become a country in
which gays' getting married is considered an abomination, but torture is O.K.?
As Ms. Mayer pointed out: "Terrorism suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the
Middle East have often been abducted by hooded or masked American agents, then
forced onto a Gulfstream V jet, like the one described by Arar. ... Upon
arriving in foreign countries, rendered suspects often vanish. Detainees are not
provided with lawyers, and many families are not informed of their whereabouts."
Mr. Arar was seized because his name had turned up on a watch list of terror
suspects. He was reported to have been a co-worker of a man in Canada whose
brother was a suspected terrorist.
"Although he initially tried to assert his innocence, he eventually confessed to
anything his tormentors wanted him to say," Ms. Mayer wrote.
The confession under torture was worthless. Syrian officials reported back to
the United States that they could find no links between Mr. Arar and terrorism.
He was released in October 2003 without ever being charged and is now back in
Canada.
Barbara Olshansky is the assistant legal director of the Center for
Constitutional Rights, which is representing Mr. Arar in a lawsuit against the
U.S. I asked her to describe Mr. Arar's physical and emotional state following
his release from custody.
She sounded shaken by the memory. "He's not a big guy," she said. "He had lost
more than 40 pounds. His pallor was terrible, and his eyes were sunken. He
looked like someone who was kind of dead inside."
Any government that commits, condones, promotes or fosters torture is a
malignant force in the world. And those who refuse to raise their voices against
something as clearly evil as torture are enablers, if not collaborators.
There is a widespread but mistaken notion in the U.S. that everybody seized by
the government in its so-called war on terror is in fact somehow connected to
terrorist activity. That is just wildly wrong.
Tony Blair knows a little about that sort of thing. Just two days ago the
British prime minister formally apologized to 11 people who were wrongfully
convicted and imprisoned for bombings in England by the Irish Republican Army
three decades ago.
More Chickens Coming Home to Roost -- Why the USA Deserves Another 9.11
Jettisoning the rule of law to permit such acts of evil as kidnapping and
torture is not a defensible policy for a civilized nation. It's wrong. And
nothing good can come from it.
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"- Prof. Jonez" wrote:
February 11, 2005
Torture, American Style
By BOB HERBERT NY Times
Maher Arar is a 34-year-old native of Syria who emigrated to Canada
as a teenager. On Sept. 26, 2002, as he was returning from a family
vacation in Tunisia, he was seized by American authorities at Kennedy
Airport in New York, where he was in the process of changing planes.
Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen, was not charged with a crime. But, as
Jane Mayer tells us in a compelling and deeply disturbing article in
the current issue of The New Yorker, he "was placed in handcuffs and
leg irons by plainclothes officials and transferred to an executive
jet."
In an instant, Mr. Arar was swept into an increasingly common
nightmare, courtesy of the United States of America. The plane that
took off with him from Kennedy "flew to Washington, continued to
Portland, Maine, stopped in Rome, Italy, then landed in Amman,
Jordan."
Any rights Mr. Arar might have thought he had, either as a Canadian
citizen or a human being, had been left behind. At times during the
trip, Mr. Arar heard the pilots and crew identify themselves in radio
communications as members of "the Special Removal Unit." He was being
taken, on the orders of the U.S. government, to Syria, where he would
be tortured.
The title of Ms. Mayer's article is "Outsourcing Torture." It's a
detailed account of the frightening and extremely secretive U.S.
program known as "extraordinary rendition."
This is one of the great euphemisms of our time. Extraordinary
rendition is the name that's been given to the policy of seizing
individuals without even the semblance of due process and sending
them off to be interrogated by regimes known to practice torture. In
terms of bad behavior, it stands side by side with contract killings.
Our henchmen in places like Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Uzbekistan and
Jordan are torturing terror suspects at the behest of a nation - the
United States - that just went through a national election in which
the issue of moral values was supposed to have been decisive. How in
the world did we become a country in which gays' getting married is
considered an abomination, but torture is O.K.?
As Ms. Mayer pointed out: "Terrorism suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia
and the Middle East have often been abducted by hooded or masked
American agents, then forced onto a Gulfstream V jet, like the one
described by Arar. ... Upon arriving in foreign countries, rendered
suspects often vanish. Detainees are not provided with lawyers, and
many families are not informed of their whereabouts."
Mr. Arar was seized because his name had turned up on a watch list of
terror suspects. He was reported to have been a co-worker of a man in
Canada whose brother was a suspected terrorist.
"Although he initially tried to assert his innocence, he eventually
confessed to anything his tormentors wanted him to say," Ms. Mayer
wrote.
The confession under torture was worthless. Syrian officials reported
back to the United States that they could find no links between Mr.
Arar and terrorism. He was released in October 2003 without ever
being charged and is now back in Canada.
Barbara Olshansky is the assistant legal director of the Center for
Constitutional Rights, which is representing Mr. Arar in a lawsuit
against the U.S. I asked her to describe Mr. Arar's physical and
emotional state following his release from custody.
She sounded shaken by the memory. "He's not a big guy," she said. "He
had lost more than 40 pounds. His pallor was terrible, and his eyes
were sunken. He looked like someone who was kind of dead inside."
Any government that commits, condones, promotes or fosters torture is
a malignant force in the world. And those who refuse to raise their
voices against something as clearly evil as torture are enablers, if
not collaborators.
There is a widespread but mistaken notion in the U.S. that everybody
seized by the government in its so-called war on terror is in fact
somehow connected to terrorist activity. That is just wildly wrong.
Tony Blair knows a little about that sort of thing. Just two days ago
the British prime minister formally apologized to 11 people who were
wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for bombings in England by the
Irish Republican Army three decades ago.
More Chickens Coming Home to Roost -- Why the USA Deserves Another
9.11
Jettisoning the rule of law to permit such acts of evil as kidnapping
and torture is not a defensible policy for a civilized nation. It's
wrong. And nothing good can come from it.
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More Chickens Coming Home to Roost -- Why the USA Deserves Another
9.11
<snip>
Well, 9/11 was a catalyst for such policies of injustice. So how would
the USA "deserve" another 9/11-type event? That would likely make for
even more oppressive and "wildly wrong" directives from on high.
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"- Prof. Jonez" wrote:
"- Prof. Jonez" wrote:
Zanmai.com pornographer scumhole.
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rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
More Chickens Coming Home to Roost -- Why the USA Deserves Another
9.11
<snip>
Well, 9/11 was a catalyst for such policies of injustice. So how
would the USA "deserve" another 9/11-type event? That would likely
make for even more oppressive and "wildly wrong" directives from on
high.
Good, let the USA self destruct on it's own rabid fear and cowardice.
Osama bin Laden has achieved a greater destruction and destabilization
of the USA in one day and with merely 20 foot soldiers than the entire
Soviet Union, China and all the other State enemies of the USA had
achieved in 50 years.
If one determined man and 20 loyal followers can set off
the entire USA on an unredeemable rapid path to self-destruction,
then give some thought to just how precarious the lie and
myth of "the American Dream" truly is.
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Wake up and smell the coffee!
All things considered, it looks like the fascists ruling America knew it was
coming and LET 9/11 HAPPEN, as it was just what they needed to further their
totalitarian agenda!
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:36:20 -0700, " \"- Prof. Jonez\""
<jonez@norcom.ca> wrote:
February 11, 2005
Torture, American Style
By BOB HERBERT NY Times
Maher Arar is a 34-year-old native of Syria who emigrated to Canada as a
teenager. On Sept. 26, 2002, as he was returning from a family vacation in
Tunisia, he was seized by American authorities at Kennedy Airport in New York,
where he was in the process of changing planes.
Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen, was not charged with a crime. But, as Jane Mayer
tells us in a compelling and deeply disturbing article in the current issue of
The New Yorker, he "was placed in handcuffs and leg irons by plainclothes
officials and transferred to an executive jet."
In an instant, Mr. Arar was swept into an increasingly common nightmare,
courtesy of the United States of America. The plane that took off with him from
Kennedy "flew to Washington, continued to Portland, Maine, stopped in Rome,
Italy, then landed in Amman, Jordan."
Any rights Mr. Arar might have thought he had, either as a Canadian citizen or a
human being, had been left behind. At times during the trip, Mr. Arar heard the
pilots and crew identify themselves in radio communications as members of "the
Special Removal Unit." He was being taken, on the orders of the U.S. government,
to Syria, where he would be tortured.
The title of Ms. Mayer's article is "Outsourcing Torture." It's a detailed
account of the frightening and extremely secretive U.S. program known as
"extraordinary rendition."
This is one of the great euphemisms of our time. Extraordinary rendition is the
name that's been given to the policy of seizing individuals without even the
semblance of due process and sending them off to be interrogated by regimes
known to practice torture. In terms of bad behavior, it stands side by side with
contract killings.
Our henchmen in places like Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Uzbekistan and Jordan are
torturing terror suspects at the behest of a nation - the United States - that
just went through a national election in which the issue of moral values was
supposed to have been decisive. How in the world did we become a country in
which gays' getting married is considered an abomination, but torture is O.K.?
As Ms. Mayer pointed out: "Terrorism suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the
Middle East have often been abducted by hooded or masked American agents, then
forced onto a Gulfstream V jet, like the one described by Arar. ... Upon
arriving in foreign countries, rendered suspects often vanish. Detainees are not
provided with lawyers, and many families are not informed of their whereabouts."
Mr. Arar was seized because his name had turned up on a watch list of terror
suspects. He was reported to have been a co-worker of a man in Canada whose
brother was a suspected terrorist.
"Although he initially tried to assert his innocence, he eventually confessed to
anything his tormentors wanted him to say," Ms. Mayer wrote.
The confession under torture was worthless. Syrian officials reported back to
the United States that they could find no links between Mr. Arar and terrorism.
He was released in October 2003 without ever being charged and is now back in
Canada.
Barbara Olshansky is the assistant legal director of the Center for
Constitutional Rights, which is representing Mr. Arar in a lawsuit against the
U.S. I asked her to describe Mr. Arar's physical and emotional state following
his release from custody.
She sounded shaken by the memory. "He's not a big guy," she said. "He had lost
more than 40 pounds. His pallor was terrible, and his eyes were sunken. He
looked like someone who was kind of dead inside."
Any government that commits, condones, promotes or fosters torture is a
malignant force in the world. And those who refuse to raise their voices against
something as clearly evil as torture are enablers, if not collaborators.
There is a widespread but mistaken notion in the U.S. that everybody seized by
the government in its so-called war on terror is in fact somehow connected to
terrorist activity. That is just wildly wrong.
Tony Blair knows a little about that sort of thing. Just two days ago the
British prime minister formally apologized to 11 people who were wrongfully
convicted and imprisoned for bombings in England by the Irish Republican Army
three decades ago.
More Chickens Coming Home to Roost -- Why the USA Deserves Another 9.11
Jettisoning the rule of law to permit such acts of evil as kidnapping and
torture is not a defensible policy for a civilized nation. It's wrong. And
nothing good can come from it.
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NOBODY 'deserves' a "9/11".
If it is true that anyone had prior knowledge and did not act on it,
rightfully they should be charged with mass murder.
Nobody deserves a 'Waco'. Certainly not the poisoned and burnt
children. Hitler smirks in the shadows of Hell - he is expecting
company soon.
Nobody deserves being abducted by armed kidnappers and shipped off to
torture labs in foreign countries.
NATURALLY such 'labs' would not be legal in this country so they MUST
be in foreign countries - maintain deniability.
If such a permissive against UnAmerican and horrible tortures are "ok"
SO LONG AS THEY ARE OFFSHORE - then what does that tell us about the
likely treatment of foriegners by Americans (especially corporate
agents with their noses to the 'bottom line') and how does that relate
to the reaction evidence by the Twin Towers, if at all?
The British abused and tortured colonials - and enjoyed 'soveriegn
immunity' for even rapes, tortures, executions witout any sanctions.
Murder was not murder if a British agent did it for the king - or
himself in many cases.
This kind of abuse resulted in a mass uprising against the British -
and we were shooting from behind rocks and trees - and the 'guerrilla
warrior' was born, the first steps towards the Seals, the Berets and
the Rangers.
But ask the King about the 'rebels' and they were - terrorists.
If the King was still ruling American colonies today - with helicopter
gunships, FLIR, depleted uranium rounds (what the @$#* happened to good
old lead bullets???), Abrams tanks, smart bombs, particle beams and God
only knows what else - I personally suspect that the American
Revolution would be no more than a fart in a windstorm.
Unless things got SO bad, SO vicious, SO evil that we, good Americans
all, FELT THAT WE HAD NO CHOICE but to become suicide bombers, plane
hijackers etc.
Realize that on both sides, no matter how diametrically opposed, we are
all human beings.
Fewer words are truer than, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE.
Do you suspect that a few self serving so called Muslims are setting
themselves up as Kings of their own underground secret kingdoms -
feeding like vampires on the bloody grief of rampant injustices?
I do.
Do you believe that they are not the only ones exploiting the
'terrorism' scenario to put themselves above any law, any reason, any
accountability?
I do.
The more things look like they need fixing, the more opportunities
there are for tampering - and don't tell me that the Constitution is
not being 'tampered' with.
Access to fixing things, even if they are not real problems, presents
more opportunities for sabotage and 'revisions'.
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Fewer words are truer than, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE.
Yes, you see it IS possible to say that innocent Americans did not
deserve 9/11, all while opposing current polices that simply make the
USA, and the world, less safe and more prone to calamities.
It is simple UN-American to NOT question what one's government is
doing, and what their motives are, and to NOT look at REAL risks that
are far more immediate than terrorism, which is still relatively very
rare indeed.
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Freedom Fighter wrote:
Wake up and smell the coffee!
All things considered, it looks like the fascists ruling America knew it was
coming and LET 9/11 HAPPEN, as it was just what they needed to further their
totalitarian agenda!
Not to mention that they would get to award BILLIONS in no-bid contracts
to thier buddies, they would sink AMERICA into reckless debt knowing that
the Democrat who wins the next Presidential election would have NO CHOICE
but to raise taxes to heal the wounds they inflicted on the People of America.
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
Fewer words are truer than, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE.
Yes, you see it IS possible to say that innocent Americans did not
deserve 9/11, all while opposing current polices that simply make the
USA, and the world, less safe and more prone to calamities.
It is simple UN-American to NOT question what one's government is
doing, and what their motives are, and to NOT look at REAL risks that
are far more immediate than terrorism, which is still relatively very
rare indeed.
But that is *precisely* what is coming to pass in this fascist Third
World toilet. As citizens, we have a duty to fight against it, even if
we don't necessarily like what a Ward Churchill or Larry Flynt has to
say. They must be able to come to the table, without fear of reprisal
from the government.
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rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
That's Sammy.
Another usenet neo-con phony. These loudmouths from jerkwater little
towns can't handle the fact that those who actually dealt with terror
first hand don't buy the hype and propaganda coming from the
government.
They are traitors to the American way.
They are as many have said before -- fascist swine, exterminable fascist swine
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rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
How about RoveCo #@($ting its pants now that the Iraqi's MIGHT elect
someone who does not "play ball" with and be a puppet for American
Politicos?
But that's really the point now. These "elections" (and we should use
that term very loosely) may actually lead to a fundamentalist gov't in
Iraq. Even with the "elections," there still may be civil war. The
U.S. supported Hussein in the 70s and 80s because he was a secular,
anti-Iranian leader. Now the U.S. may get just the thing they didn't
want, a situation even tougher to deal with than Hussein.
Yeah, like this wasn't a blessing for the radical Ayatollahs in Iran,
who'd been trying to overthrow the secular Hussein for decades,
and surprise surprise, they got the idiot on the block, the USA, to
do it for them. Simply by having their agent provocateur, wanted
felon Ahmed Chalabi and his gang of criminals in the INC feed
the idiot USA bogus, often preposterous, unvetted "intel" that
the slobbering anti-intellectual stooges in the Whitehouse gladly
swallowed like a $10 crack whore given a $20 bill.
The ignorant USA wants a Gov't as ignorant as they are so they
can feel better about themselves, then they deserve all the "unforeseen"
blowback and suffering it brings them for the next few decades.
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" \"- Prof. Jonez\"" wrote:
rms1@my-deja.com wrote:
How about RoveCo #@($ting its pants now that the Iraqi's MIGHT elect
someone who does not "play ball" with and be a puppet for American
Politicos?
Yeah, like this wasn't a blessing for the radical Ayatollahs in Iran,
who'd been trying to overthrow the secular Hussein for decades,
and surprise surprise, they got the idiot on the block, the USA, to
do it for them. Simply by having their agent provocateur, wanted
felon Ahmed Chalabi and his gang of criminals in the INC feed
the idiot USA bogus, often preposterous, unvetted "intel" that
the slobbering anti-intellectual stooges in the Whitehouse gladly
swallowed like a $10 crack whore given a $20 bill.
The ignorant USA wants a Gov't as ignorant as they are so they
can feel better about themselves, then they deserve all the "unforeseen"
blowback and suffering it brings them for the next few decades.
I got ten bucks on CHALABI to be the new PM of Iraq.
Some "free election" when the CIA's puppet can get "elected".
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
" \"- Prof. Jonez\"" wrote:
I got ten bucks on CHALABI to be the new PM of Iraq.
Some "free election" when the CIA's puppet can get "elected".
Except that fugitive felon Chalabi, who fed the USA all the false,
fabricated "intel" on Iraq's non-existant WMDs only pretended to
be a CIA asset, his true masters are the Iranians in Tehran. The USA got
suckered again, payback for Ollie North and crew burning
the Iranians in the Iran/Contra missile deal and supporting Saddam
in the bloody Iran/Iraq war.
But what do you expect when the world stage requires an expert
chess master, and the USA elects a presidential stooge who can't even
win at checkers!
Once again, the USA get's what it *deserves*.
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"- Prof. Jonez" wrote:
They are as many have said before -- fascist swine, exterminable fascist swine
....wow back to death threats so soon?
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slim wrote:
" \"- Prof. Jonez\"" wrote:
I got ten bucks on CHALABI to be the new PM of Iraq.
Some "free election"
....beats Sod-em's Check the one box 99% pretend ones...
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
...beats Sod-em's Check the one box 99% pretend ones...
How?????
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
Sam Bam wrote:
How?????
Um, they were FREE elections...
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jbodden6977@direcway.com wrote:
NOBODY 'deserves' a "9/11".
Then the USA is "nobody".
If it is true that anyone had prior knowledge and did not act on it,
rightfully they should be charged with mass murder.
Why?
Nobody deserves a 'Waco'.
According to US rules of engagement, women and children who
are member of "unapproved churches" do deserve it.
Certainly not the poisoned and burnt
children.
"god's will" eh?
Hitler smirks in the shadows of Hell - he is expecting
company soon.
Hitler was a brilliant economist.
Nobody deserves being abducted by armed kidnappers and shipped off to
torture labs in foreign countries.
The USA says anyone they declare to be a potential "enemy" deserves
this fate.
NATURALLY such 'labs' would not be legal in this country so they MUST
be in foreign countries - maintain deniability.
When the public is as ignorant and plain stupid as the typical murrikan,
they could deny a pink elephant eating a peanut butter sandwich sitting
in the living room.
If such a permissive against UnAmerican and horrible tortures are "ok"
SO LONG AS THEY ARE OFFSHORE - then what does that tell us about the
likely treatment of foriegners by Americans (especially corporate
agents with their noses to the 'bottom line') and how does that relate
to the reaction evidence by the Twin Towers, if at all?
The British abused and tortured colonials - and enjoyed 'soveriegn
immunity' for even rapes, tortures, executions witout any sanctions.
Murder was not murder if a British agent did it for the king - or
himself in many cases.
This kind of abuse resulted in a mass uprising against the British -
and we were shooting from behind rocks and trees - and the 'guerrilla
warrior'
Radical insurgents, terrorists and war criminals -- aka Founding Fathers.
was born, the first steps towards the Seals, the Berets and
the Rangers.
But ask the King about the 'rebels' and they were - terrorists.
If the King was still ruling American colonies today - with helicopter
gunships, FLIR, depleted uranium rounds (what the @$#* happened to
good old lead bullets???), Abrams tanks, smart bombs, particle beams
and God only knows what else - I personally suspect that the American
Revolution would be no more than a fart in a windstorm.
Unless things got SO bad, SO vicious, SO evil that we, good Americans
all, FELT THAT WE HAD NO CHOICE but to become suicide bombers, plane
hijackers etc.
Realize that on both sides, no matter how diametrically opposed, we
are all human beings.
"god" says differently.
Fewer words are truer than, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE.
The USA deserves then, No Peace.
Do you suspect that a few self serving so called Muslims are setting
themselves up as Kings of their own underground secret kingdoms -
feeding like vampires on the bloody grief of rampant injustices?
I do.
Because you are a prejudiced, anti-Muslim scumbag.
Do you believe that they are not the only ones exploiting the
'terrorism' scenario to put themselves above any law, any reason, any
accountability?
I do.
The more things look like they need fixing, the more opportunities
there are for tampering - and don't tell me that the Constitution is
not being 'tampered' with.
Access to fixing things, even if they are not real problems, presents
more opportunities for sabotage and 'revisions'.
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" "- Prof. Jonez"" wrote things that don't need repeating...
Another happy Canuckistani weighs in.
Bite me.
<PLONK>
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
Um, they were FREE elections...
But nobody was "elected" to be president, VP or PM.
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
Sam Bam wrote:
But nobody was "elected" to be president
So?
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
So?
E X A C T L Y !!!! ;-)
--
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http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
But nobody was "elected" to be president
So?
E X A C T L Y !!!! ;-)
That's because the system they set up doesn't yet have an immediate
"president" you weapons grade moron....
Don't make me come drive a yellow Crown Vick up yer fat and empty lying
ass boy, you're kinda pissing me off!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/elections/
When the votes are counted, the Iraqi people will have elected a
275-member Transitional National Assembly. The Assembly will:
Serve as Iraq's national legislature.
Name a Presidency Council, consisting of a President and two Vice
Presidents. (By unanimous agreement, the Presidency Council will appoint
a Prime Minister and, on his recommendation, cabinet ministers.)
Draft Iraq's new constitution, which will be presented to the Iraqi
people for their approval in a national referendum in October 2005.
Under the new constitution, Iraq will elect a permanent government in
December 2005.
The election was planned and executed by Iraqis for Iraqis. The United
States and the international community have supported the Iraqi people's
aspirations for freedom.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq was established to
supervise the elections and ensure a fair and transparent process.
The UN Electoral Assistance Division is advising the Independent
Electoral Commission of Iraq. Other non-governmental organizations are
providing technical support and assistance to the Independent Electoral
Commission of Iraq and the Iraqi Interim Government until the entire
electoral process is completed.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq and various
non-governmental organizations conducted a voter-education campaign.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq has 150 staff at its
national headquarters and 126 at governorate offices. For the election,
it employed 120 trainers and more than 6,000 electoral workers at the
Voter Registration Centers throughout Iraq.
The role of the United States and the Coalition has been limited. The
United States provided more than $40 million to help the Independent
Electoral Commission of Iraq conduct elections. Japan pledged $40
million and the EU pledged $38 million for the election effort.
International support for the Iraqi election has been essential.
Military forces from 28 nations are working alongside Iraqi forces to
help establish stability and security throughout Iraq. Coalition forces
provided area security for polling day.
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
But nobody was "elected" to be president
So?
E X A C T L Y !!!! ;-)
That's because the system they set up doesn't yet have an immediate
"president" you weapons grade moron....
Don't make me come drive a yellow Crown Vick up yer fat and empty lying
ass boy, you're kinda pissing me off!
What happened to your Hummer, Bedpan Spam? Oh, that's right, like
every servile little Bushkultie whore, you specialize in *GIVING*
hummers....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/elections/
Puta, puta! Puta, puta! Puta, puta! Puta, pooooo!
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
But nobody was "elected" to be president
So?
That's because the system they set up doesn't yet have an immediate
"president" you weapons grade moron....
What you really mean is the BuSHITe's have yet to figure out
how to foist Chalabi on the poor innocent Iraqi's.
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
Sam Bam wrote:
What you really mean is
Precisely what I posted you scumsucking cunt:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/elections/
When the votes are counted, the Iraqi people will have elected a
275-member Transitional National Assembly. The Assembly will:
Serve as Iraq's national legislature.
Name a Presidency Council, consisting of a President and two Vice
Presidents. (By unanimous agreement, the Presidency Council will appoint
a Prime Minister and, on his recommendation, cabinet ministers.)
Draft Iraq's new constitution, which will be presented to the Iraqi
people for their approval in a national referendum in October 2005.
Under the new constitution, Iraq will elect a permanent government in
December 2005.
The election was planned and executed by Iraqis for Iraqis. The United
States and the international community have supported the Iraqi people's
aspirations for freedom.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq was established to
supervise the elections and ensure a fair and transparent process.
The UN Electoral Assistance Division is advising the Independent
Electoral Commission of Iraq. Other non-governmental organizations are
providing technical support and assistance to the Independent Electoral
Commission of Iraq and the Iraqi Interim Government until the entire
electoral process is completed.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq and various
non-governmental organizations conducted a voter-education campaign.
The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq has 150 staff at its
national headquarters and 126 at governorate offices. For the election,
it employed 120 trainers and more than 6,000 electoral workers at the
Voter Registration Centers throughout Iraq.
The role of the United States and the Coalition has been limited. The
United States provided more than $40 million to help the Independent
Electoral Commission of Iraq conduct elections. Japan pledged $40
million and the EU pledged $38 million for the election effort.
International support for the Iraqi election has been essential.
Military forces from 28 nations are working alongside Iraqi forces to
help establish stability and security throughout Iraq. Coalition forces
provided area security for polling day.
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
Precisely what I posted you scumsucking cunt:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/elections/
So why is CHALABI even being considered for anything more
than a washroom attendant?
--
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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slim wrote:
Sam Bam wrote:
So why is CHALABI even being considered
why not?
he has experience.
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Sam Bam wrote:
slim wrote:
why not?
he has experience.
If you want corruption -- and what BushKultie doesn't? -- you want a
man with EXPERIENCE with it. And Chalabi has THAT in spades.
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"- Prof. Jonez" wrote:
It started when a group of conservative students from Hamilton College in New
York, hoping to block University of Colorado Professor Ward Churchill's
scheduled talk at their school, protested an essay Churchill had written on
Sept. 11, 2001. In the essay, titled "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of
Roosting Chickens," Churchill, an American Indian activist and scholar, framed
the terrorists attacks as inevitable, the natural result of years of oppressive
U.S. policies, which he outlined at length. He also compared the stockbrokers,
lawyers and government employees who died in the attacks with Nazi "technocrat"
Adolf Eichmann for their role in supporting U.S. actions abroad.
The students' protest caught the attention of the national corporate media,
which pounced on Churchill and his controversial essay with rabid ferocity. The
result was a national furor. For two weeks now, the corporate media has
controlled the story, fanning the flames of anger and even questioning
Churchill's ethnicity. Paula Zahn interviewed Churchill-but barely let him
speak. MSNBC, Fox and MTV carried the story. Denver talk radio couldn't get
enough of the topic, one radio host declaring Churchill's essay treasonous and | | |
