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Free at Last! Free at Last! Bobby Fischer is Free at Last!



sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
3/23/2005 9:43:44 PM


Free at Last! Free at Last! Bobby Fischer is Free at Last!
Wonderful News! Although it has not hit the major newswires yet, it
appears that Bobby Fischer is out of jail.
The break came when Iceland granted him citizenship two days ago. With
this act, Japan no longer had any legal basis to hold him.
However, it may not be over yet. The main international airport in
Iceland is located on Keflavik Air Base. A NATO Base under US Control.
The insane US Policymakers may be just crazy enough to try to catch
Bobby Fischer after he steps off the airplane in Keflavik. I doubt
that they will do this but my advice is that caution is called for and
why not land the airplane at Reykjavik Airport instead. Reykjavik
Airport is only used for domestic flights and most foreigners are not
even aware of its existence, but it is fully capable of handling the
big aircraft that normally lands at Keflavik.
While not a victory for Bobby Fischer as he had to spend eight months
in jail in Japan completely unnecessarily and will probably have to
spend the rest of his life as a fugitive, it is a marginal victory for
international law and a great defeat for the Bush administration.
It has been clear from the beginning that Bobby Fischer broke no law.
The Executive Order that Bobby Fischer allegedly violated by playing a
chess match in Yugoslavia for the world chess championship clearly was
not applicable for many reasons. The Executive Order prohibited
commercial contacts with the Government of Yugoslavia. However, a
chess match is not a commercial contact and the sponsor of the chess
match was not the government of Yugoslavia but rather was an outspoken
opponent of the government. The sponsor of the chess match fled the
country soon after the match was over and the bank he owned was closed
down and forced into bankruptcy.
The case against Fischer was so weak for many reasons that many in his
position would have gone back to fight the case feeling confident of
victory in court. However, the Bush administration has a record of
holding people in prison for years without giving them a fair hearing
of any kind and without even informing them of the charges against
them, so Fischer was entirely justified in not leaving his fate in the
hands of the US Injustice System.
Another big looser is Japan. The Japanese will forever be held in low
regard by the international community for their behavior in this
matter. It is clear that Fischer was being prosecuted as a political
matter and under international law such a person is entitled to
political asylum. The Japanese Ministry of Interior declared that a
deported person must be sent back to his country of origin. Is that
the law? Does that mean that refugees from the Communist Government of
Afghanistan much be sent back to Afghanistan where they face certain
execution. Must Chinese be sent back to China, Burmese back to Burma
and Vietnamese back to Vietnam?
An opposition leader in Japan has correctly pointed out that by its
conduct Japan may have lost its chance to get a seat on the United
Nations Security Council. Clearly, a nation that acts as nothing more
than an agent for the USA does not deserve a seat on that body.
Another big looser is the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation. Not only did the USCF do nothing to help Bobby Fischer get
out of jail, but it even expelled him from the chess federation in
violation of the federationfs own rules.
While berating the cowardly Japanese for knuckling under to the
demands of the great United States, we must applaud Lilliputan Iceland
for having the courage to give Fischer sanctuary in defiance of the
demands of its neighbor, the Big Bad USA.
Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/bobby.htm
 
 
"ayx"
3/23/2005 4:05:25 PM


the @$#*en, partly jewish, US policymakers can just step back.
The world chess champion, Bobby Fischer, the greatest man on earth,
walks out free.
free at last, free at last, he is free at last.
the intellectual dwarfs from oval office just contemplate their defeat
against the truely free world.
and their downfall has only just begun.
 
 
Paul Rubin
3/23/2005 4:09:48 PM


"ayx" <use.20.ayxcds@spamgourmet.com> writes:
free at last, free at last, he is free at last.
Is he actually out? He was supposed to be released 10 minutes ago.
 
 
"raylopez99"
3/23/2005 9:50:21 PM


Perverse as it may sound, I favor a martyrdom operation by Special
Forces, with a sniper team taking out the target as he steps off the
plane. This was done to Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. (1932-1983) by Marcos
in the Phillipines.
It would make Fischer an instant martyr and he could go into history in
a blaze of glory (or out with a bang).
I admit this is pretty pornographic, but you have to admit it would
gain him lots of sympathy.
RL
 
 
"Goran Tomic"
3/24/2005 9:18:55 PM


"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com>
Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/bobby.htm
Dear Sam,
I would greet to you, too, because your web site and texts on it shows
Fischer on the right way. Your doings was always to return big chess player
in chess world.
Everybody is happy because justice won! Democracy won!
Tortures, prisons are over!
But there are many things to do. It would correct all injustices to Bobby
made in last fifteen years. That's the next obligation to all.
Somebody would pay compensation for all Bobby's pains, and it would be
necessary to give him back all his property. It belongs to him. And I think
he would successfully gain back all he lost. Everybody have to remember that
bobby is the best chess player ever. So, that's the obligation of all chess
players and chess fans of all nationality and religions. That's our human
duty!
Regards,
Goran Tomic
 
 
banana
3/24/2005 12:32:52 PM


In article <4241e239.30682687@ca.news.verio.net>, Sam Sloan
<sloan@ishipress.com> writes
Free at Last! Free at Last! Bobby Fischer is Free at Last!
Wonderful News! Although it has not hit the major newswires yet, it
appears that Bobby Fischer is out of jail.
The break came when Iceland granted him citizenship two days ago. With
this act, Japan no longer had any legal basis to hold him.
However, it may not be over yet. The main international airport in
Iceland is located on Keflavik Air Base. A NATO Base under US Control.
The insane US Policymakers may be just crazy enough to try to catch
Bobby Fischer after he steps off the airplane in Keflavik. I doubt
that they will do this but my advice is that caution is called for
I have advised caution too. There is no telling what US government
gangsters might try,
and
why not land the airplane at Reykjavik Airport instead. Reykjavik
Airport is only used for domestic flights and most foreigners are not
even aware of its existence, but it is fully capable of handling the
big aircraft that normally lands at Keflavik.
<snip>
It has been clear from the beginning that Bobby Fischer broke no law.
The Executive Order that Bobby Fischer allegedly violated by playing a
chess match in Yugoslavia for the world chess championship clearly was
not applicable for many reasons. The Executive Order prohibited
commercial contacts with the Government of Yugoslavia. However, a
chess match is not a commercial contact and the sponsor of the chess
match was not the government of Yugoslavia but rather was an outspoken
opponent of the government.
That's not the point. US law does not govern what people do in
Yugoslavia.
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
 
 
banana
3/24/2005 12:40:23 PM


In article <7xd5tpaoqb.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>, Paul Rubin <http@?.cx>
writes
"ayx" <use.20.ayxcds@spamgourmet.com> writes:
Is he actually out? He was supposed to be released 10 minutes ago.
Yes, he's out. He left the detention centre and got into an Icelandic
diplomatic car headed for Narita airport.
This is running as the top news story in Iceland:
<http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/>
The following is from UK TV network ITV:
<http://www.itv.com/news/world_865551.html>:
***BEGIN ARTICLE***
Wanted chess champion heads to Iceland
10.00AM, Thu Mar 24 2005
Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer is heading to Iceland after
being released from detention in Japan.
It is the end of an eight-month saga that began when Fischer, 62, was
taken into custody in Japan last July for travelling on what US
officials said was an invalid passport.
He could have faced prison and fines in the US, where he is wanted for
violating sanctions against the former Yugoslavia by playing a chess
match there in 1992.
The US has said it is disappointed at Iceland's decision to grant
Fischer citizenship and reiterated that it wanted him to be handed over.
Fischer sprang to fame when he won the world title in a classic Cold War
encounter with Soviet champion Boris Spassky in Iceland in 1972.
The chess icon, who had grown a long white beard in custody and wore a
dark baseball cap pulled low, was released from a detention centre in
Ushiku, northeast of Tokyo, and taken in an Icelandic embassy car to
Narita airport.
Fischer, clad in a striped sweater and jeans, made typically outrageous
statements to reporters.
"This was not an arrest, it was a kidnapping," he said when he arrived
at the airport.
"It was all cooked up between (US President George W) Bush and (Japanese
Prime Minister Junichiro) Koizumi. They are war criminals. They should
both be hung.
"I'm very happy to be leaving," he said later.
He added: "Japan is a nice country, but you have a criminal leadership"
and charged that Mr Koizumi took all his "orders" from Mr Bush.
Fischer's lawyer, Masako Suzuki, said the chess icon had "smiled from
the bottom of his heart when he boarded the plane".
The chess master used a series of legal moves to fight deportation to
the US, including seeking refugee status, renouncing his US citizenship
and unveiling plans to marry his companion, Miyoko Watai, a four-time
Japan women's chess champion.
***END ARTICLE***
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
 
 
"Luke"
3/25/2005 2:49:47 AM


Please excuse my ignorance. Is Bobby Fischer a jewish himself?


"ayx" <use.20.ayxcds@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1111622725.707354.313100@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

the @$#*en, partly jewish, US policymakers can just step back.
The world chess champion, Bobby Fischer, the greatest man on earth,
walks out free.
free at last, free at last, he is free at last.
the intellectual dwarfs from oval office just contemplate their defeat
against the truely free world.
and their downfall has only just begun.
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/25/2005 3:52:02 AM


In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:49:47 GMT, "Luke"
<ke_lu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. Is Bobby Fischer a jewish himself?
Not as far as he is concerned. And he does claim to be uncircumcised.
The enemy fight in chains, invisible chains, but heavy;
Their minds are fetter'd; then how can they be free,
-- William Blake
 
 
"Adrian MacNair"
3/24/2005 11:57:49 PM




"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42438aaa.118439964@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:49:47 GMT, "Luke"
<ke_lu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not as far as he is concerned. And he does claim to be uncircumcised.
What does that have to do with anything? Millions and millions of Americans
and Canadians have been circumcized since the 70's and none of it had
anything to do with Judaism. It became common practice in Canada years ago
when they thought it was more hygenic. Since then it has fallen out of
favour with doctors and has since been delisted as a service for OHIP
(Ontario Health Insurance). Still, in 2001 I had my infant son circumcized
for $100. He is no more Jewish than I, descended from German-Scottish
heritage. Still, I felt it was the best thing for him, probably because I
grew up this way.
 
 
"Hans Jørgen Lassen"
3/25/2005 6:24:32 AM


"Adrian MacNair" wrote:
What does that have to do with anything?
If you study the holy scriptures you will see that it has everything to do
with being a jew. Circumcision (did I spell that right?) is part of the of
the deal between God and the Jewish people. You may think this is crazy
(well, I do), but by sacrificing not the whole child (like was done now and
then in ancient times) but a piece of the tiny penis the father of this
young Jew secures the protection of God for his child.
If not circumsized you do not belong to the chosen people. Correct me, if I
am wrong.
HansJ
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/25/2005 5:50:55 AM


In the year of our Lord Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:57:49 -0500, "Adrian
MacNair" <amacnairDONT@SPAMsympaticoME.ca> wrote:


"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42438aaa.118439964@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

What does that have to do with anything?
Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized.
But if you want to read this in Fischer's own words, here is a link to
a copy of the letter he sent to the Encyclopedia Judaica asking that
his name be removed from that publication, as he is not Jewish.
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/list/p_42/42_0.htm
Millions and millions of Americans
and Canadians have been circumcized since the 70's and none of it had
anything to do with Judaism. It became common practice in Canada years ago
when they thought it was more hygenic. Since then it has fallen out of
favour with doctors and has since been delisted as a service for OHIP
(Ontario Health Insurance). Still, in 2001 I had my infant son circumcized
for $100. He is no more Jewish than I, descended from German-Scottish
heritage. Still, I felt it was the best thing for him, probably because I
grew up this way.
The enemy fight in chains, invisible chains, but heavy;
Their minds are fetter'd; then how can they be free,
-- William Blake
 
 
"StanB"
3/25/2005 7:48:01 AM




"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4243a5a9.125352182@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized.
As are Muslim men.
 
 
"Hans Jørgen Lassen"
3/25/2005 3:14:37 PM


"StanB" wrote:
As are Muslim men.
Superstition and irrational ways are not confined to Judaism; superstition
can be found anywhere on this planet.
In a way circumcision could be called blasphemous. The work of the Lord is
not good enough, so it must be corrected by man.
HansJ
 
 
"Adrian MacNair"
3/25/2005 10:23:34 AM




"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4243a5a9.125352182@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...



"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42438aaa.118439964@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:49:47 GMT, "Luke"
<ke_lu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. Is Bobby Fischer a jewish himself?
Not as far as he is concerned. And he does claim to be uncircumcised.
What does that have to do with anything?
Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized.
Understood. But if I am circumcized does that make me a jew? No. So in
todays context it means squat since millions of men who are not jewish were
circumcized by doctors from the 70's through the 90's. Back in 1943 when
Fischer was born I imagine it was a much bigger deal.
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/25/2005 4:52:00 PM


In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:48:01 -0500, "StanB"
<stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote:


"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4243a5a9.125352182@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

As are Muslim men.
Nobody was claiming that Fischer was muslim, now, were they?
The fox condemns the trap, not himself. -- William Blake
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/25/2005 5:07:41 PM


In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:23:34 -0500, "Adrian
MacNair" <amacnairDONT@SPAMsympaticoME.ca> wrote:


"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4243a5a9.125352182@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...



"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42438aaa.118439964@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:49:47 GMT, "Luke"
<ke_lu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. Is Bobby Fischer a jewish himself?
Not as far as he is concerned. And he does claim to be uncircumcised.
What does that have to do with anything?
Understood. But if I am circumcized does that make me a jew? No. So in
todays context it means squat since millions of men who are not jewish were
circumcized by doctors from the 70's through the 90's. Back in 1943 when
Fischer was born I imagine it was a much bigger deal.
Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized. That other cultures also
practice circumcision does not change the fact that Fischer would cite
the fact that he is not circumcized to show that he is not Jewish.
Bray a fool in a morter with wheat. yet
shall not his folly be beaten out of him. -- William Blake
 
 
Ed Seedhouse
3/25/2005 9:52:49 PM


On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:23:34 -0500, "Adrian MacNair"
Understood. But if I am circumcized does that make me a jew? No. So in
todays context it means squat since millions of men who are not jewish were
circumcized by doctors from the 70's through the 90's. Back in 1943 when
Fischer was born I imagine it was a much bigger deal.
I doubt that. I was born in 1944 and was circumcised though none of my
known ancestors were Jewish. Back then it was simply normal procedure
done for supposedly "hygenic" reasons to virtually everyone unless the
parents demurred.
Ed
Ed Seedhouse,
Victoria, B.C.
 
 
"StanB"
3/25/2005 5:41:02 PM




"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4244418c.165264450@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:48:01 -0500, "StanB"
<stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote:
Nobody was claiming that Fischer was muslim, now, were they?
And your point is? Let me further educate you to some of the lore behind
circumcision. Most Christians are taught that God took a rib from Adam's
ribcage and created Eve. Most Jews know that the rib was actually the rib of
flesh taken during circumcision.
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/25/2005 11:03:03 PM


In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:41:02 -0500, "StanB"
<stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote:


"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:4244418c.165264450@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

And your point is?
My point was that your comment was off topic.
What is now proved was once, only imagin'd. -- William Blake
 
 
"StanB"
3/25/2005 7:43:00 PM




"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42449870.13574653@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized.
As are Muslim men.
Nobody was claiming that Fischer was muslim, now, were they?
And your point is?
My point was that your comment was off topic.
Not much of a point.
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/26/2005 1:13:45 AM


In the year of our Lord Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:43:00 -0500, "StanB"
<stanbooz@comXXXcast.net> wrote:


"Morphy's ghost" <stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org> wrote in message
news:42449870.13574653@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...

Jewish males are supposed to be circumcized.
As are Muslim men.
Nobody was claiming that Fischer was muslim, now, were they?
And your point is?
Not much of a point.
Well, some of us do prefer that people who respond to our posts
actually respond to what we say rather than bringing in extraneous
facts that add nothing to the discussion.
 
 
thereactionary@mindspring.com
3/25/2005 7:08:37 PM


"here is a link to a copy of the letter he sent to the Encyclopedia
asking that
his name be removed from that publication, as he is not Jewish. "
He can call himself what he wants. But ethnically he is half Jewish on
his mothers side.
 
 
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
3/25/2005 11:16:26 PM


Luke wrote:
Please excuse my ignorance. Is Bobby Fischer a jewish himself?
(... Jewish...)
No, not at all. Only both of his parents were.
(Of course for Nazists he would be Jewish.
Since Fischer himself is a neoNazist, neoNazists
quite hypocritically, support this son of Jews
all the way, grateful for Fischer's hateful,
degenerated statements).
Wlod
 
 
stewieisaheretic@religiousheresy.org (Morphy's ghost)
3/26/2005 7:32:38 AM


In the year of our Lord 25 Mar 2005 23:16:26 -0800, "Wlodzimierz
Holsztynski (Wlod)" <sennajawa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Luke wrote:
(... Jewish...)
No, not at all. Only both of his parents were.
Was his father? I must admit that I've never really heard anything at
all about Fischer's father.
(Of course for Nazists he would be Jewish.
Since Fischer himself is a neoNazist, neoNazists
quite hypocritically, support this son of Jews
all the way, grateful for Fischer's hateful,
degenerated statements).
I don't think that Fischer can be called a neo-Nazi. That requires a
bit more than bigotry.
Wlod
The enemy fight in chains, invisible chains, but heavy;
Their minds are fetter'd; then how can they be free,
-- William Blake
 
 
Rob Rodgers
3/26/2005 7:40:40 AM


thereactionary@mindspring.com wrote in news:1111806517.574218.188720
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
"here is a link to a copy of the letter he sent to the Encyclopedia
asking that
his name be removed from that publication, as he is not Jewish. "
He can call himself what he wants. But ethnically he is half Jewish on
his mothers side.
The question of whether Fischer is Jewish may not be as simple as it
appears on the surface. Take a look at the following piece from
"Matrilineality," http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/matrilineage
You will notice that Reform Judaism adopted a bilineal, rather than a
matrilineal, policy. I suspect that Fischer comes from a Reform rather
than an Orthodox background, hence his insistence that he is not Jewish.
Judaism
Orthodox Judaism states that, to be a Jew, one must be either a proselyte
or the child of a Jewish mother. This ruling is based on the fact that
intercourse between Jews and non-Jews is forbidden, and any offspring
resulting from such an act is considered to have no paternity. It is not
mentioned directly in the Bible, but derives from the Oral law (Mishnah
tractate Kiddushin 3:12). The Talmudic commentary finds scriptural proof
from various verses in the Torah and the rest of Tanakh (the Jewish
Bible).
Historians have cast doubt on the claim that Judaism has always been
matrilineal. Indeed, there are several instances in the Bible where
Jewish men marry gentile women without direct mention of the women
converting. (The standard view among historians seems to be that the very
notion of conversion with a mikveh is postbiblical.) Apparently the
offspring of such unions was considered to be Jewish; the Book of Ruth
claims such ancestry for King David himself; however, the Talmud
(Yevamoth 47b) asserts that Ruth was a convert to Judaism, and derives
the laws of proselytes from the exchange between Naomi and Ruth. Flavius
Josephus refers to marriages between Jewish men and Gentile women without
much commentary, and seems to assume that the offspring is Jewish (or,
according to one of his statements, "half-Jewish") (Antiquities of the
Jews 16.225, 18.109, 18.139, 18.141, 14.8-10, 14.121, 14.403); as is
usual in prerabbinic texts, there is no mention of conversion on the part
of the Gentile spouse. On the other hand, Philo of Alexandria calls the
child of a Jew and a non-Jew a nothos (bastard), regardless of whether
the non-Jewish parent is the father or the mother (On the Life of Moses
2.36.193, On the Virtues 40.224, On the Life of Moses 1.27.147).
The view of matrilineal descent as originating at the time of Yavneh is
openly held by scholars affiliated with the Conservative movement. At the
same time, matrilineal descent is the norm in Conservative halakha; if a
Conservative synagogue accepts patrilineal descent ritually, it is
generally expelled from the movement. On the other hand, polls conducted
by the Conservative movement show that 68% of all regular attendants to
Conservative synagogues support patrilineal descent.
Reform Judaism in the U.S. officially adopted a bilineal policy in 1983:
one is a Jew if either of one's parents is Jewish, provided that either
(a) one is raised as a Jew, by Reform standards, or (b) one engages in an
appropriate act of public identification. This declaration formalized
what had been Reform policy in practice for at least a generation. Clause
(b) has been generally interpreted as making any form of public self-
identification sufficient, though some congregations may make more formal
requirements - especially if the individual in question has been raised
as a Christian.
Other movements within the World Union for Progressive Judaism have
adopted essentially the same position as U.S. Reform Judaism. These
include: Liberal Judaism in England; Reconstructionist Judaism in the US,
Canada and elsewhere; Progressive Judaism in Australia; one congregation
in Austria; some congregations in Eastern Europe. Note that Reform
Judaism in Canada and England adopts a different position, closer to the
Orthodox one, at least in some congregations.
Many secular and non-religious Jews in America, Israel and elsewhere
adopt a bilineal view similar to that detailed above. In Israel, the
status quo is that the Orthodox definition is followed: the child of a
Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother may immigrate to Israel (and may
claim rights under the Law of Return), but will be registered in official
documents as a non-Jew. The consequences are various: he/she may not be
wedded inside the state to anybody considered to be officially a Jew, and
he/she may not be buried in a military cemetery if he/she dies in battle.
Priesthood in Judaism (Kohen status) is inherited patrilineally; the same
applies to membership of the tribes (e.g. Levi) and royalty (Davidic
line).
 
 
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
3/25/2005 11:47:16 PM


ayx wrote:
the @$#*en, partly jewish, US policymakers [...]
Isn't it ironic how all these degenerated neoNazists
(like coward ayx), who hate Jews so much, unite behind
the poor and crazy son of two Jews. Finally they
have a leader again :-)
Wlod
 
 
"Adrian MacNair"
3/26/2005 3:02:36 AM




<thereactionary@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1111806517.574218.188720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

"here is a link to a copy of the letter he sent to the Encyclopedia
asking that
his name be removed from that publication, as he is not Jewish. "
He can call himself what he wants. But ethnically he is half Jewish on
his mothers side.
I don't know what an ethnic jew is. That is the fallacy of what happened
during the murder of the halocaust. How can you execute on suspicion of
Jewish blood? It's bull#@($. Religion is a poison of the mind, not the
blood.
 
 
"Hans Jørgen Lassen"
3/26/2005 9:40:17 AM


"Adrian MacNair" wrote:
Jewish blood? It's bull#@($. Religion is a poison of the mind, not the
blood.
One of many poisons, yes. It is incredible what religious people have
committed of crimes during history. Just in America: Destroying the lives of
the proud Red Indians and keeping black people in slavery. Then off to
church on sundays, and everything is fine.
Now Bush has a new religion called democracy and like earlier missionaries
he will see to it that people get democracy the American way whether they
want it or not.
And behind these fine words of freedom we all know lies just one thing: The
dream of American supreme power over the whole world. There was a guy some
60-70 years ago who had a similar dream; Adolf Hitler was his name.
HansJ
 
 
Eustace
3/26/2005 7:37:56 PM


thereactionary@mindspring.com wrote:
"here is a link to a copy of the letter he sent to the Encyclopedia
asking that
his name be removed from that publication, as he is not Jewish. "
He can call himself what he wants. But ethnically he is half Jewish on
his mothers side.
It seems that according to the FBI files of his mother, his father was
also "Jewish". I include in quotation marks because the issue is not so
simple. Most Jews today are not descendants of the ancient Jews, but of
the descendants of the Turkish Khazars, who adopted Judaism in medieval
times. See for example Arthur Koestler's "The Thirteenth Tribe" or the
Britannica article
(http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=25829). The
myth that modern Jews are descendants of the ancient ones of course was
indispensable for the Nazi ideology and very useful as a justification
for the colonization of Palestine.
I think that it is correct say that the modern Jews share the same
culture. I don't know, though, what is Fischer's rationale, though. It
all depends of your definition of who is a Jew. If a Jew is someone who
at least pays lip service to Judaism, and who is a Sephardic Jew (from
Mediterranean ancestry), than Fischer was not a Jew. I don't know
Encyclopedia Judaica's definition...
Regards,
Eustace
--
It Ain't THAT, babe! A radical reinterpretation
http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html
 
 
"Angelo De Pa1ma"
3/27/2005 1:20:46 AM


Cut the Bobby crap already.
Bobby Fischer has been letting down American chess players since he walked
out of the Interzonal at Sousse in 1967. He almost broke our hearts in 1972
and finally did in 1975.
He will let down his new country as well. He's insane and will never play
again.


"Ed Seedhouse" <eseedhouse@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:23:34 -0500, "Adrian MacNair"
I doubt that. I was born in 1944 and was circumcised though none of my
known ancestors were Jewish. Back then it was simply normal procedure
done for supposedly "hygenic" reasons to virtually everyone unless the
parents demurred.
Ed
Ed Seedhouse,
Victoria, B.C.
 
 
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
3/27/2005 12:29:56 AM


thereactionary@mindspring.com wrote:
But ethnically he [Fischer] is half
Jewish on his mothers side.
Indeed, he's half Jewish because his
mother was Jewish, and he is (the other)
half Jewish because his biological father
was Jewish.
Wlod
 
 
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
3/27/2005 3:05:43 AM


Morphy's ghost wrote:
In the year of our Lord 25 Mar 2005 23:16:26 -0800, "Wlodzimierz
Holsztynski (Wlod)" <sennajawa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Was his father?
Both of **biological** parents of Fischer
were Jewish.
(Of course for Nazists he would be Jewish.
Since Fischer himself is a neoNazist, neoNazists
quite hypocritically, support this son of Jews
all the way, grateful for Fischer's hateful,
degenerated statements).
I don't think that Fischer can be called a neo-Nazi.
That requires a bit more than bigotry.
Fischer has advocated a mass murder
of hundreds of thousands of Jews.
That's why so many rgcm participants
love Fischer these days so much.
Wlod
 
 
"StanB"
3/27/2005 7:27:08 AM




"Angelo De Pa1ma" <adpspammersgotohell@tellurian.net> wrote in message
news:ntGdndHPfYshzdvfRVn-uQ@garden.net...

Cut the Bobby crap already.
Bobby Fischer has been letting down American chess players since he walked
out of the Interzonal at Sousse in 1967. He almost broke our hearts in
1972 and finally did in 1975.
He will let down his new country as well. He's insane and will never play
again.
We're not worthy, WE"RE NOT WORTHY.