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Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver to
Charlotte, N.C.
Airline and federal officials said flight 1536 was not in any danger as a
result of the incident, which occurred about 9:50 a.m. MDT on Saturday.
There were 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants on board
the flight at the time. No one was injured.
Officials say the unnamed pilot was allowed to carry the weapon as part of
the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Flight Deck Officer
program. It was created after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
The program allows eligible crew members -- including pilots, navigators and
flight engineers -- to use a firearm to defend against any act of air piracy
or criminal violence after being trained on its use.
"TSA and the Federal Air Marshals Service take this matter seriously and an
investigation is underway," the TSA said. "The pilot was authorized to be in
possession of the weapon and he completed the appropriate training."
This pilot, who was sitting in the left seat, last re-qualified on Nov. 7,
2007.
U.S. Airways said it is cooperating with law enforcement authorities
investigating the incident.
The Federal Air Marshall service said this is the first time anything like
this has happened. Federal Flight Deck Officers use Heckler and Koch
universal self-loading 40-caliber pistols and are allowed to carry these
weapons ready to use -- like any other law enforcement officer. The Federal
Flight Deck Officers need to be re-qualified twice a year.
A federal aviation security source told ABC the discharged round hit the
side of the Airbus A319 and did not hit any sensitive equipment. The round
likely exited the bulkhead but did not result in depressurization. The
incident occurred on final approach.
TSA said passengers were not aware that the weapon was discharged and flight
1536 landed without incident.
The jet has been taken out of service for inspection.
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Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver
to Charlotte, N.C.
Airline and federal officials said flight 1536 was not in any danger as a
result of the incident, which occurred about 9:50 a.m. MDT on Saturday.
There were 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants on board
the flight at the time. No one was injured.
Officials say the unnamed pilot was allowed to carry the weapon as part of
the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Flight Deck Officer
program. It was created after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
The program allows eligible crew members -- including pilots, navigators
and flight engineers -- to use a firearm to defend against any act of air
piracy or criminal violence after being trained on its use.
"TSA and the Federal Air Marshals Service take this matter seriously and
an investigation is underway," the TSA said. "The pilot was authorized to
be in possession of the weapon and he completed the appropriate training."
This pilot, who was sitting in the left seat, last re-qualified on Nov. 7,
2007.
U.S. Airways said it is cooperating with law enforcement authorities
investigating the incident.
The Federal Air Marshall service said this is the first time anything like
this has happened. Federal Flight Deck Officers use Heckler and Koch
universal self-loading 40-caliber pistols and are allowed to carry these
weapons ready to use -- like any other law enforcement officer. The
Federal Flight Deck Officers need to be re-qualified twice a year.
A federal aviation security source told ABC the discharged round hit the
side of the Airbus A319 and did not hit any sensitive equipment. The round
likely exited the bulkhead but did not result in depressurization. The
incident occurred on final approach.
TSA said passengers were not aware that the weapon was discharged and
flight 1536 landed without incident.
The jet has been taken out of service for inspection.
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Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver
to Charlotte, N.C.
The guvmint will be doing a disservice to both sides of the gun spectrum if
they don't publish an explanation containing a high level of detail. Of
course, they won't do this.
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"gatt" <admin@godhateskansas.org> wrote in
news:13ug6ftbc1qml0a@corp.supernews.com:
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Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
And, what do you know. Absolutely nobody was hurt and the passengers
didn't even know anything happened.
Millions of convicted felons possess firearms every year, and millions of
citizens don't get hurt by them, and don't even know they possess the
firearms.
So if nobody's getting hurt by all those millions of guns, it's not a
problem, is it?
Now go eat some more #@($, you stump-stupid imbecile.
LOL! Looks like I flipped somebody's little tizzy switch. Ask mommy to
check your diaper and then go take a nap.
-c
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On Tue 25 Mar 2008 at 07:37:45 +1100 <Reality@Check.it> made this start in
the message <64qhoqF29h8piU1@mid.individual.net>:
Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of
Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008 UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver
to Charlotte, N.C.
Those of you who've been wondering whether someone concocted the story will
be pleased to know that it was copied from
<http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15690409/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news>
or <http://tinyurl.com/2dvs5w>.
[. . .]
--
Arfur Moo
(NB: Those of you who want to post a reply to this message should read the
"Followup-To:" line in my headers and then reinstate any destination group
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Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
And, what do you know. Absolutely nobody was hurt and the passengers
didn't even know anything happened.
So if nobody's getting hurt by all those millions of guns, it's not a
problem, is it?
Nope, no reason to deny millions of convicted felons and mentally ill
individuals
the right to keep and bear arms, and arms, any damn time or place they
desire.
Even as passengers on airplanes.
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The guvmint will be doing a disservice to both sides of the gun spectrum
if they don't publish an explanation containing a high level of detail. Of
course, they won't do this.
Looks like retraining needed.
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Looks like retraining needed.
Yeah, but will the anti-gun mob ever get that message? Of course not.
They'll think the gun just fired itself.
Do you know any anti-gun types well enough that you're invited to their
home? Here's an idea: Walk around unplugging everything that's not being
used at the moment. You know why: Who can tell when a toaster might just
operate itself and run all night?
:-)
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Yeah, but will the anti-gun mob ever get that message? Of course not.
They'll think the gun just fired itself.
Kind of like WMD just fire themselves, eh asswipe ?
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On Mar 24, 3:37=A0pm, "Reality_Check=A9" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver =
to
Charlotte, N.C.
Airline and federal officials said flight 1536 was not in any danger as a
result of the incident, which occurred about 9:50 a.m. MDT on Saturday.
There were 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants on board=
the flight at the time. No one was injured.
Officials say the unnamed pilot was allowed to carry the weapon as part of=
the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Flight Deck Officer
program. It was created after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
The program allows eligible crew members -- including pilots, navigators a=
nd
flight engineers -- to use a firearm to defend against any act of air pira=
cy
or criminal violence after being trained on its use.
"TSA and the Federal Air Marshals Service take this matter seriously and a=
n
investigation is underway," the TSA said. "The pilot was authorized to be =
in
possession of the weapon and he completed the appropriate training."
This pilot, who was sitting in the left seat, last re-qualified on Nov. 7,=
2007.
U.S. Airways said it is cooperating with law enforcement authorities
investigating the incident.
The Federal Air Marshall service said this is the first time anything like=
this has happened. Federal Flight Deck Officers use Heckler and Koch
universal self-loading 40-caliber pistols and are allowed to carry these
weapons ready to use -- like any other law enforcement officer. The Federa=
l
Flight Deck Officers need to be re-qualified twice a year.
A federal aviation security source told ABC the discharged round hit the
side of the Airbus A319 and did not hit any sensitive equipment. The round=
likely exited the bulkhead but did not result in depressurization. The
incident occurred on final approach.
TSA said passengers were not aware that the weapon was discharged and flig=
ht
1536 landed without incident.
Opps!
There goes all the antigun propaganda about explosive decompression,
etc.!
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On Mar 24, 2:37=A0pm, "Reality_Check=A9" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver =
to
Charlotte, N.C.
Airline and federal officials said flight 1536 was not in any danger as a
result of the incident, which occurred about 9:50 a.m. MDT on Saturday.
There were 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants on board=
the flight at the time. No one was injured.
Officials say the unnamed pilot was allowed to carry the weapon as part of=
the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Flight Deck Officer
program. It was created after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
The program allows eligible crew members -- including pilots, navigators a=
nd
flight engineers -- to use a firearm to defend against any act of air pira=
cy
or criminal violence after being trained on its use.
"TSA and the Federal Air Marshals Service take this matter seriously and a=
n
investigation is underway," the TSA said. "The pilot was authorized to be =
in
possession of the weapon and he completed the appropriate training."
This pilot, who was sitting in the left seat, last re-qualified on Nov. 7,=
2007.
U.S. Airways said it is cooperating with law enforcement authorities
investigating the incident.
The Federal Air Marshall service said this is the first time anything like=
this has happened. Federal Flight Deck Officers use Heckler and Koch
universal self-loading 40-caliber pistols and are allowed to carry these
weapons ready to use -- like any other law enforcement officer. The Federa=
l
Flight Deck Officers need to be re-qualified twice a year.
A federal aviation security source told ABC the discharged round hit the
side of the Airbus A319 and did not hit any sensitive equipment. The round=
likely exited the bulkhead but did not result in depressurization. The
incident occurred on final approach.
TSA said passengers were not aware that the weapon was discharged and flig=
ht
1536 landed without incident.
The jet has been taken out of service for inspection.
Looks like the pilot was playing cowboy!
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Kind of like WMD just fire themselves, eh asswipe ?
Uh oh. You're agitated again. Go tell your mommy that you need her to touch
you "there" again, to calm you down.
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"Reality_Check" <Reality@Check.it> wrote in message news:64qjqfF2cq2qtU1@mid.individual.net...
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:37:45 -0600, "Reality_Check"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
The pilot was authorized and certified? Don't the powers that be teach
the basics? You never leave a round in the chamber because it could
misfire and kill YOU?
BTW, contrary to hollywood theatrics, planes do not depressurize when
a bullet strikes though the shell of the plane. As this happened on
approach, the plane would have been low enough so that depressuration
would not be a problem. And no, you don't get sucked out of that
little hole either.
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And, what do you know. Absolutely nobody was hurt and the passengers
didn't even know anything happened.
Millions of convicted felons possess firearms every year, and millions
of citizens don't get hurt by them, and don't even know they possess the
firearms.
So if nobody's getting hurt by all those millions of guns, it's not a
problem, is it?
Nope, no reason to deny millions of convicted felons and mentally ill
individuals the right to keep and bear arms, and arms, any damn time or
place they desire.
If they're not hurting anybody with 'em, it's not a problem, is it?
Even as passengers on airplanes.
I don't know who said that. Wasn't me.
-c
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gatt wrote:
And, what do you know. Absolutely nobody was hurt and the
passengers didn't even know anything happened.
Millions of convicted felons possess firearms every year, and
millions of citizens don't get hurt by them, and don't even
know they possess the firearms.
So if nobody's getting hurt by all those millions of guns, it's
not a problem, is it?
If they're not hurting anybody with 'em, it's not a problem, is it?
I don't know who said that. Wasn't me.
Seems a bit harsh, to expect passengers to cut both their own arms off,
just to fly.
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richard wrote:
The pilot was authorized and certified? Don't the powers that be teach
the basics? You never leave a round in the chamber because it could
misfire and kill YOU?
Are you being serious?
No one carries an automatic without a round in the chamber (except, of
course, Hollywood types who don't so they can make a show of racking the
slide).
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On Mar 24, 3:37 pm, "Reality_Check" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Pilot's Gun Goes Off On Flight From Denver
U.S. Airways Pilot Part Of Flight Deck Officer Program
POSTED: 8:33 am MDT March 24, 2008
UPDATED: 1:53 pm MDT March 24, 2008
DENVER -- Federal authorities are investigating how a pilot's gun
accidentally discharged in the cockpit on a US Airways flight from Denver
to
Charlotte, N.C.
Airline and federal officials said flight 1536 was not in any danger as a
result of the incident, which occurred about 9:50 a.m. MDT on Saturday.
There were 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants on board
the flight at the time. No one was injured.
Officials say the unnamed pilot was allowed to carry the weapon as part of
the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Flight Deck Officer
program. It was created after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
The program allows eligible crew members -- including pilots, navigators
and
flight engineers -- to use a firearm to defend against any act of air
piracy
or criminal violence after being trained on its use.
"TSA and the Federal Air Marshals Service take this matter seriously and
an
investigation is underway," the TSA said. "The pilot was authorized to be
in
possession of the weapon and he completed the appropriate training."
This pilot, who was sitting in the left seat, last re-qualified on Nov. 7,
2007.
U.S. Airways said it is cooperating with law enforcement authorities
investigating the incident.
The Federal Air Marshall service said this is the first time anything like
this has happened. Federal Flight Deck Officers use Heckler and Koch
universal self-loading 40-caliber pistols and are allowed to carry these
weapons ready to use -- like any other law enforcement officer. The
Federal
Flight Deck Officers need to be re-qualified twice a year.
A federal aviation security source told ABC the discharged round hit the
side of the Airbus A319 and did not hit any sensitive equipment. The round
likely exited the bulkhead but did not result in depressurization. The
incident occurred on final approach.
TSA said passengers were not aware that the weapon was discharged and
flight
1536 landed without incident.
Opps!
There goes all the antigun propaganda about explosive decompression,
etc.!
===
LOL!
How'd you like the way AA Flight 11 and UA flight 175 "decompressed" on
9.11, eh moron?
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:xiXFj.494$Cn4.313@news02.roc.ny:
Yeah, but will the anti-gun mob ever get that message? Of course not.
They'll think the gun just fired itself.
Do you know any anti-gun types well enough that you're invited to
their home? Here's an idea: Walk around unplugging everything that's
not being used at the moment. You know why: Who can tell when a
toaster might just operate itself and run all night?
:-)
Gun grabber logic is weak and gun grabber evidence is open to dispute.
(The same thing may be said of gun nuts.) But this argument just makes
you look foolish. No one claims that gasoline turns itself into Molotov
Cocktails, but it's still illegal to fill a glass container at the pump.
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richard wrote:
Are you being serious?
No one carries an automatic without a round in the chamber (except, of
course, Hollywood types who don't so they can make a show of racking the
slide).
With reinforced cockpit doors, why do pilots need guns? Wouldn't opening
that cockpit door to deal with a perp be more dangerous? One hijacker lures
the armed pilot out, three more jump him from behind, and now you have armed
hijackers who can access the flight deck. Not good.
Equip flight crews with stun guns. Put cameras in the planes transmitting
continuously to ground stations so the interior can be monitored remotely.
In the last hundred years we've developed a few technologies that can make
these planes harder to hijack or crash, the answer isn't something that was
state of the art security tech in the 19th century.
Bonus points: In case of a fire or crash landing, a loaded gun isn't exactly
a net positive.
We've spent billions of dollars and uncounted hours of traveler delay to
keep guns off of planes. And now we're allowing them on - pretty obviously
a bad idea.
Bo Raxo
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With reinforced cockpit doors, why do pilots need guns? Wouldn't opening
that cockpit door to deal with a perp be more dangerous? One hijacker
lures the armed pilot out, three more jump him from behind, and now you
have armed hijackers who can access the flight deck. Not good.
You're assuming more than one hijacker, and that the hijacker is sane. I can
easily imagine a scenario where an armed pilot would want to open the door
and deal with the situation. So can you. Think harder.
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In article <xiXFj.494$Cn4.313@news02.roc.ny>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah, but will the anti-gun mob ever get that message? Of course not.
They'll think the gun just fired itself.
Do you know any anti-gun types well enough that you're invited to their
home? Here's an idea: Walk around unplugging everything that's not being
used at the moment. You know why: Who can tell when a toaster might just
operate itself and run all night?
:-)
I actually do turn off power strips when I leave the house. All
appliances are plugged in to them.
I have cats. <g>
--
--
Peace! Om
"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never
forgotten this." - Heinlein
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:56:28 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
richard wrote:
Are you being serious?
No one carries an automatic without a round in the chamber (except, of
course, Hollywood types who don't so they can make a show of racking the
slide).
In a high altitude plane? Damn serious I am.
Cockpits are generally locked. So the pilot would have ample time to
retrieve the weapon and arm it. They could also design a lockbox for
the pilot to keep it in.
I've just thought of a couple of ways to protect the pilots and all
they have to do is flip a switch.
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In article <xiXFj.494$Cn4.313@news02.roc.ny>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
I actually do turn off power strips when I leave the house. All
appliances are plugged in to them.
I have cats. <g>
Keep an eye on your water bill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WofFb_eOxxA
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:35:02 -0600, "Reality_Check"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
Nope, no reason to deny millions of convicted felons and mentally ill
individuals
Good lord. Talk about misguided and out in left field....Those felons
and mentally ill do not have those rights, it is against the law
(federal) for them to posses firearms. That they do is not because
they have the right as they don't. They are possessing them illegally
although more laws aren't going to change that.
the right to keep and bear arms, and arms, any damn time or place they
desire.
Even as passengers on airplanes.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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Bo Raxo wrote:
Are you being serious?
No one carries an automatic without a round in the chamber (except,
of course, Hollywood types who don't so they can make a show of
racking the slide).
With reinforced cockpit doors, why do pilots need guns? Wouldn't
opening that cockpit door to deal with a perp be more dangerous? One
hijacker lures the armed pilot out, three more jump him from behind,
and now you have armed hijackers who can access the flight deck. Not
good.
NEED is not the condition; WANT is what counts. The pilots want guns, I want
guns on the planes, most of the passengers want guns on the planes.
We've spent billions of dollars and uncounted hours of traveler delay
to keep guns off of planes. And now we're allowing them on - pretty
obviously a bad idea.
I agree with you that all that time and treasure to keep guns off planes was
obviously a bad idea.
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richard wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:56:28 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
In a high altitude plane? Damn serious I am.
Then you don't know diddly about guns or their use. Everybody and I mean
EVERYBODY from military and police instructors down to grandpa teaching a
six-year old, cautions, insists, DEMANDS that a round be chambered. While
stored, when carried, when in use. In every case (save cleaning or handing
the weapon to another person) a round should be chambered. Period. End of
indoctrination.
Cockpits are generally locked. So the pilot would have ample time to
retrieve the weapon and arm it. They could also design a lockbox for
the pilot to keep it in.
Time is not the issue. Cabins do have lockboxes for weapons.
I've just thought of a couple of ways to protect the pilots and all
they have to do is flip a switch.
If they are as reasonable as your suggestion about an empty chamber, spare
us the details.
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You're assuming more than one hijacker, and that the hijacker is sane. I
can easily imagine a scenario where an armed pilot would want to open the
door and deal with the situation. So can you. Think harder.
We've seen that the real danger a hijacker can pose is seizing control of
the plane and using it as a weapon. The safest course is to keep the
cockpit door closed and locked, and landing the plane. I cannot imagine a
scenario where one crazy person in the passenger section is worth risking
entrance to the flight deck - that's going to result in everybody on that
plane dying, and possibly thousands more on the ground. Can you come up
with a scenario in which a lone crazy person can do something worse than
kill everybody on the plane?!?
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:35:02 -0600, "Reality_Check"
<Reality@Check.it> wrote:
Good lord. Talk about misguided and out in left field....Those felons
and mentally ill do not have those rights, it is against the law
(federal) for them to posses firearms.
Oh, so if they pass a law, that removes a right.
Thanks for clearing that up.
That they do is not because
they have the right as they don't.
So rights can be removed by laws, eh?
They are possessing them illegally
although more laws aren't going to change that.
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On Mar 24, 5:21 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The guvmint will be doing a disservice to both sides of the gun spectrum if
they don't publish an explanation containing a high level of detail. Of
course, they won't do this.
And neither will the gun-grabbers (in and out of government) make note
of the fact that the discharge did not crash the plane as has been
claimed so often as an argument for keeping pilots unarmed and easy
victims of highjackers with sharp pointy sticks.
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On Mar 24, 9:25 pm, "Bo Raxo" <crimenewscen...@gmail.com> wrote:
We've spent billions of dollars and uncounted hours of traveler delay to
keep guns off of planes. And now we're allowing them on - pretty obviously
a bad idea.
Bo Raxo
"obvious" only to your twisted brain. Had there been guns in the
cockpit on 9/11 there doubtless would not have been all those
"billions" of dollars spent to make air travel a government granted
privilege for the powerful few. Bringing a box cutter to a gunfight
doesn't get the plane into a Noo Yawk building, does it?
But you've got a better idea. Let's make everyone including the
pilots helpless from any attack even from pointy sticks. Oh Wait! I
get what you are saying! Lets pass a law that says all pilots are
REQUIRED to obey all hijacker commands and even HELP them crash the
plane into the building of their choice. They should be required to
provide all the navigation and piloting skills the terrorists need to
keep all potential "violence" to a minimum!
Great plan, Bo! We are "with ya" all the way!
moron.
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