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Diabetic girl dies as parents pray instead of calling for medical aid
By Tom Leonard in New York
Last Updated: 2:32am GMT 28/03/2008
An 11-year-old girl died from diabetes after her parents prayed for her
recovery rather than calling for medical assistance.
Dale and Leilani Neumann say they are not 'crazy religious people'.
But after Madeline died, they prayed that she might be resurrected
Madeline Neumann died on Sunday in Wisconsin, from an undiagnosed but
treatable ailment.
Dan Vergin, the local police chief, said she had been ill for a month,
suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of
appetite and weakness.
"She just got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.
Even after her death, her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, who did not
belong to any organised faith, prayed over her body in the hope that she
might be resurrected.
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Mr Vergin said the couple, who run a coffee shop in Wausau, had blamed her
death on their lack of faith.
"They have a little Bible study of a few people," said Mr Vergin. "These are
not bizarre people."
Police are now preparing a report for prosecutors. However, legal action
against the parents may be prevented by a Wisconsin state statute against
failing to act to protect children from bodily harm.
The statute contains an exemption for what it refers to as "treatment
through prayer". Mrs Neumann, whose husband is a former policeman, said they
had never expected her daughter to die. She suffered from diabetic
ketoacidosis, which left her with too little insulin.
She said her family believed in the Bible and that healing came from God.
But she insisted that they were not "crazy religious people" and had nothing
against doctors.
She said their daughter had been tired over the past two weeks but the day
before she died, her bad health "went into a more serious situation". She
explained: "We stayed fast in prayer. We believed that she would recover. We
saw signs that - to us - it looked like she was recovering."
Mr Neumann said he started trying artificial resuscitation "as soon as the
breath of life left" his daughter's body.
However, Madeline's aunt said she pleaded with the dead girl's parents to
take her to a doctor in the last few days of her life. As Madeline went into
a coma, Ariel Gomez telephoned the emergency services from her home in
California. But they were too late to save her.
She told the ambulance control room that Mrs Neumann had "explained to us
that she believes her daughter's in a coma now and she's relying on faith".
The parents, who have three older children, told police that Madeline last
saw a doctor when she was three to get some injections. The state law that
allows healing through prayer became an issue in 2003 when a two-year-old
autistic child in Milwaukee was crushed to death during an attempted
exorcism.
The "exorcist" was convicted on a far lesser charge than many people
believed was appropriate.
The local district attorney urged legislators to remove the exemption but
they failed to act on his advice.
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On Mar 27, 8:23=A0pm, "Reality_Check=A9" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Diabetic girl dies as parents pray instead of calling for medical aid
By Tom Leonard in New York
Last Updated: 2:32am GMT 28/03/2008
An 11-year-old girl died from diabetes after her parents prayed for her
recovery rather than calling for medical assistance.
Let this be a warning to those who lack faith.
JM
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JM wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:23 pm, "Reality_Check" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Let this be a warning to those who lack faith.
They obviously didn't pray hard enough ...
Or perhaps they were braying to the wrong god ?
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On Mar 28, 12:27=A0pm, JM <JM20000...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:23=A0pm, "Reality_Check=A9" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Let this be a warning to those who lack faith.
JM
Boy do you got that wrong buddy boy, let that be a warning to those
who lack the sense to know faith can't do crap.
Hatter
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Hatter wrote:
On Mar 28, 12:27 pm, JM <JM20000...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Boy do you got that wrong buddy boy, let that be a warning to those
who lack the sense to know faith can't do crap.
Riiiight ...
'We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators'
-- VP Dick Cheney
From Meet the Press, March 16 2003
"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
--Vice President Dick Cheney,
on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!"
--President GW Bush,
joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs
in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio
& TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and
east, west, south and north somewhat."
--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
when asked about weapons of mass destruction
in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003
"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass
destruction to tell the world where they are."
--White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer,
July 9, 2003
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and
we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
--Vice President Dick Cheney,
"Meet The Press" March 16, 2003
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had
nuclear weapons."
--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
June 24, 2003
"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to
last any longer than that," he said. "It won't be a World War III."
--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
claiming the Iraq war wouldn't last long.
Nov. 14, 2002
"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
--President GW Bush,
discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson,
after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people
for the reality of war casualties
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On Mar 28, 1:09=A0pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Hatter wrote:
Riiiight ...
'We Will, In Fact, Be Greeted As Liberators'
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- VP Dick Cheney
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 From Meet the Press, March 16 2003
"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Vice President Dick Cheney,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!"
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--President GW Bush,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0joking about his administration's failure to fi=
nd WMDs
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during=
the Radio
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0& TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March =
25, 2004
=A0"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad =
and
east, west, south and north somewhat."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 when asked about weapons of mass destruction
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003
"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of=
mass
destruction to tell the world where they are."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer=
,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 July 9, 2003
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons=
, and
we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Vice President Dick Cheney,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Meet The Press" March 16, 2003
=A0"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Ir=
aqis had
nuclear weapons."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 June 24, 2003
"Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to
last any longer than that," he said. "It won't be a World War III."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld=
,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0claiming the Iraq war wouldn't =
last long.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Nov. 14, 2002
"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--President GW Bush,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discussing the Iraq war with Christian broa=
dcaster Pat Robertson,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0after Robertson told him he should prepare =
the American people
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0for the reality of war casualties- Hide quo=
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Ok Faith can motivate people to ignore evidence, but as for affecting
something other than the human mind...it can't do crap.
Hatter
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:27:41 -0700 (PDT), JM <JM20000000@hotmail.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
On Mar 27, 8:23pm, "Reality_Check" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
Let this be a warning to those who lack faith.
JM
You really are an evil bastard McClueless.
McClueless Video Challenge - Month 3 and still counting.
McPiltdown Deathmarch - Month 21 and still 1,997,000 school textbooks
to account for.
Censorship by talk.origins and/or Google - several months after your
first claims and still not one shred of evidence.
We are ALL waiting for you McClueless. These matters are NOT going to
go away.
--
Bob.
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