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Police: Mom shot kids, carried gun on campus
a.. Police: Mom shot kids, brought gun on campus
b.. Two children found in off-campus home near University of Louisville
c.. Student at U of L involved in brief armed hostage situation earlier in
the day
d.. Neighborhood is ten miles south of the campus; said to be "tidy,
middle-class" area
Louisville, KENTUCKY (AP) -- A mother killed her two children Thursday and
then went to the nearby college she attended and brandished a gun before
handing the weapon to a health counselor, police said.
The threat at the University of Louisville ended with no injuries about half
an hour after it began, but police who were then asked by school officials
to check on the children found them dead with gunshot wounds.
Gail Lynn Coontz, 37, is charged with killing 14-year-old Greg Coontz and
10-year-old Nikki Coontz, said Louisville police Officer Phil Russell.
Gail Coontz was the armed student, said police Lt. Barry Wilkerson. She is
in custody at the University of Louisville hospital but is expected to be
transferred to jail, Russell said.
The woman was also charged with one count of terroristic threatening for
pointing a handgun at an officer, said university police Maj. Kenny Brown.
The woman gave her handgun to a counselor at the health services building,
he said.
Police arrived at the building at 8:39 a.m., university spokeswoman Cindy
Hess said.
The school sent safety alerts to student phones and cell phones and posted
one on its Web site. The campus was not locked down, Hess said.
The two-story red brick home where the children were found is in a
middle-class neighborhood. A garden at the home has a statue of two children
playing with a bicycle. The neighborhood is about 10 miles south of the
university.
The neighborhood is normally quiet, and the neighbors generally know one
another, resident Patty Schneider said.
"It just all seems like it's going to be a bad dream and I'm going to wake
up from it," said Schneider, who lives across the street. "How am I ever
going to look out the front of my house again?"
A next-door neighbor, Sheryl Hayven, said police stopped by her house
Thursday morning asking about the family. Hayven said detectives were asking
when the children were last seen and whether she had heard anything.
"They were good neighbors," Hayven said. "It's just kind of a shock."
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Police: Mom shot kids, carried gun on campus
a.. Police: Mom shot kids, brought gun on campus
b.. Two children found in off-campus home near University of Louisville
c.. Student at U of L involved in brief armed hostage situation earlier
in the day
d.. Neighborhood is ten miles south of the campus; said to be "tidy,
middle-class" area
Louisville, KENTUCKY (AP) -- A mother killed her two children Thursday and
then went to the nearby college she attended and brandished a gun before
handing the weapon to a health counselor, police said.
The threat at the University of Louisville ended with no injuries about
half an hour after it began, but police who were then asked by school
officials to check on the children found them dead with gunshot wounds.
Gail Lynn Coontz, 37, is charged with killing 14-year-old Greg Coontz and
10-year-old Nikki Coontz, said Louisville police Officer Phil Russell.
I'll second the request for the religious connection. I see no reference to
religion in your article.
Maybe you were confused and meant to post this article instead:
http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/_a/parents-pick-prayer-over-doctor-girl/20080327161309990002
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Reality_Check" <Reality@Check.it> wrote in message
I'll second the request for the religious connection. I see no
reference to religion in your article.
You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2
legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a christian ?
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms and
2 legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a christian ?
Let's put it this way: Any competent newspaper editor would look at that
subject line, read the article, and give the cub reporter a choice: Fix the
problem, or lose their job.
There are no exceptions to what I just said. None. I'm no big fan of
religion, but the word "Christian" is 100% unrelated to anything in that
article.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
Let's put it this way: Any competent newspaper editor would look at
that subject line, read the article, and give the cub reporter a
choice: Fix the problem, or lose their job.
No problem. The woman is christian.
There are no exceptions to what I just said.
You're lying again.
None. I'm no big fan of
religion, but the word "Christian" is 100% unrelated to anything in
that article.
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media propaganda
every single day.
Sauce ... goose ... wear it!
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
No problem. The woman is christian.
How do you know the woman is christian? How do you know she's not an
atheist, wiccan, buddhist, or taoist? Prove your claim.
There are no exceptions to what I just said.
You're lying again.
The only exception would be an INCOMPETENT editor, in which case, it
wouldn't count. You have no journalism experience, so you don't understand
this concept to begin with.
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
Correct.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
How do you know the woman is christian? How do you know she's not an
atheist, wiccan, buddhist, or taoist?
Faith ... and logical probability.
Prove your claim.
Falsify it.
There are no exceptions to what I just said.
The only exception would be
Bzzzzzzzzt.
Thank's for playing, better luck next time.
None. I'm no big fan of
religion, but the word "Christian" is 100% unrelated to anything in
that article.
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
Correct.
Yep.
So your critiques of bad editing and irrelevant religion baiting are "fair and
balanced",
eh?
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Faith ... and logical probability.
Falsify it.
Bzzzzzzzzt.
Thank's for playing, better luck next time.
None. I'm no big fan of
religion, but the word "Christian" is 100% unrelated to anything in
that article.
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
Yep.
So your critiques of bad editing and irrelevant religion baiting are "fair
and balanced",
eh?
Excerpt from news article in the Washington Times, below. Do you think we
should fix the heading to read "Christian Consumer Spending Weak in
February"?
Consumer Spending Weak in February
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumers, jolted by a credit crisis, job cuts and
soaring energy costs, turned in the weakest spending performance in 17
months in February, further evidence that the risks of a recession are
increasing.
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_ Proofter. Jonez _ wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2
legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a christian ?
Poofter Jonez is under the impression that everything with two eyes, two
legs, and two arms is Christian.
No wonder Poofter is a very stump stupid person.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Excerpt from news article in the Washington Times, below. Do you
think we should fix the heading to read "Christian Consumer Spending
Weak in February"?
Naw, it should read "Vapid Materialist Amerikunts Run out of $$ "
Consumer Spending Weak in February
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumers, jolted by a credit crisis, job cuts and
soaring energy costs, turned in the weakest spending performance in 17
months in February, further evidence that the risks of a recession are
increasing.
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Naw, it should read "Vapid Materialist Amerikunts Run out of $$ "
How's that thorazine working out for you so far?
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
How's that thorazine working out for you so far?
Thorazine's for pikers ...
Project much ?
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You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms
and
2 legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a Christian ?
Common knowledge and "probability" (such as 2 arms, legs, and eyes) has
absolutely nothing to do with a religious preference.
Then falsify the claim.
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
=20
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms =
and 2=20
legs?
=20
What do you think the probability is that she is a christian ?
=20
Which has any bearing on the story, how?
--=20
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
=20
No problem. The woman is christian.
=20
=20
You're lying again.
=20
=20
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media propa=
ganda
every single day.
=20
Please, point out a few.
--=20
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Learn how to get idiots to send you a dollar and their SSN.
Send $1 & your SSN to..." -- DarkFiber / BlockIP.org
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
No problem. The woman is christian.
You're lying again.
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
Please, point out a few.
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Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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_ Proofter. Jonez _ wrote:
Poofter Jonez is under the impression that everything with two eyes, two
legs, and two arms is Christian.
No wonder Poofter is a very stump stupid person.
Time for you to eat some more #@($, asswipe.
Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms and
2 legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a christian ?
Which has any bearing on the story, how?
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How many children would Jesus murder ?
Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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I'll second the request for the religious connection. I see no reference
to religion in your article.
Oh, and because YOU don't see it, it must not exist, eh numbnuts?
Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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You see any reference that the mother has 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs ?
What do you think the probability is that she does have 2 eyes, 2 arms
and
2 legs?
What do you think the probability is that she is a Christian ?
Common knowledge and "probability" (such as 2 arms, legs, and eyes) has
absolutely nothing to do with a religious preference. The question
remains:
Exactly WHERE do you see a reference to ANY religion in this article???
Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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Since when are all statements true until proven false? True statements
have data and evidence to back them up, and *all of us* have yet to see
either. All we've seen is paranoid rhetoric - under the guise that "If you
tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
(Adolf Hitler)
So keep lying, asswipe.
How many children would Jesus murder ?
Woman suffered financial troubles
By Andrew Wolfson and Jessie Halladay . The Courier-Journal . March 29, 2008
"She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist
Church, which runs the school."
When Gail Coontz and her children, Greg and Nikki, visited family in Hudson,
Ohio, over Christmas, everything seemed fine, Coontz's sister-in-law, Diane
Beeman, recalled.
Beeman said she never knew Coontz to have any mental or emotional problems,
and she didn't think Coontz, the widow of Beeman's brother, had any
financial problems, either.
But court records show Coontz has been struggling to pay her bills for at
least four years, filing for bankruptcy twice since 2004.
It's unclear whether financial problems had anything to do with the horrible
crimes Coontz was charged with on Thursday -- two counts of murder, for
allegedly killing Nikki, 10, and Greg, 14.
Yesterday, she wiped tears from her eyes but didn't speak as she was
arraigned and ordered held on $500,000 bond.
Her bankruptcy lawyer, Julie Ann O'Bryan, declined to comment on Coontz's
case, and her public defender, Mike Lemke, said he didn't know if there is
any connection between her financial problems and the charges.
"We are just getting started," said Lemke, who wouldn't let Coontz talk to
reporters after her arraignment.
Chapter 13 filed in 2004
But court records obtained yesterday show that after wracking up unpaid
credit card bills and other unpaid bills totaling about $37,000, Coontz
filed a Chapter 13 bankruptcy petition in 2004, and agreed to a repayment
plan calling her to give creditors about $400 a month.
That plan was dismissed when she stopped making payments, but in 2006,
Coontz filed for bankruptcy payment again.
Chapter 13 allows a debtor to keep property and pay their debts over time.
Last year, there were 2,756 Chapter 13 bankruptcy petitions filed in the
Western District of Kentucky.
By the time Coontz filed for bankruptcy the second time, her unsecured debts
had climbed to $51,526, including over $12,000 she owed on her American
Express card and another $11,023 to Discover.
This time, she agreed to pay her 17 creditors $250 a month for 60 months --
about 10 cents on the dollar.
Beeman said yesterday that family members had no knowledge of her financial
woes -- and no explanation for the crimes of which Coontz is accused.
"We have no clue," she said.
Coontz, a 37-year-old University of Louisville student who was once a
co-leader of her daughter's Girl Scout troop and who was active in both her
children's schools, was arrested Thursday after she went to the U of L
health-services counseling center, drew a gun and held a counselor hostage.
About an hour later, police found Nikki and Greg shot to death in their beds
in their home in Okolona.
Co-workers noticed nothing
Coontz's co-workers at Volunteers of America, where she'd worked the past 18
months as an entry-level assistant in a drug-treatment program, weren't
aware of any problems she may have been having, said spokeswoman Wendy
Helterbran.
"We are as shocked and grieving as the rest of the community," Helterbran
said. "We are thinking about her family and her."
Coontz, who answered the phones and helped with scheduling but didn't
counsel patients, worked two days a week -- Fridays and Sundays -- in the
Goss Avenue program and was scheduled to work this week, Helterbran said.
Bankruptcy records show that she earned about $660 with the organization
through November 2006, and another $1,429 that year at Buckhead Mountain
Grill.
A manager at its Outer Loop location said she was a server but hadn't worked
there in at least six months.
Coontz, whose husband, Randy, 38, died in 1997 in Aiken, S.C., from natural
causes, has supported herself and her children in recent years largely
through Social Security payments, court records show.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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Reality_Check=A9 wrote:
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So keep lying, asswipe.
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Nice liberalism there.
--=20
"As seen in the classified ads:
Learn how to get idiots to send you a dollar and their SSN.
Send $1 & your SSN to..." -- DarkFiber / BlockIP.org
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Reality_Check=A9 wrote:
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media=20
propaganda
every single day.
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Please, point out a few.
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You're really good at posting large volumes of crap. Why not just=20
answer the question? Simply? And what's up with your quoting? Have you=20
not figured out OE or something??
--=20
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Learn how to get idiots to send you a dollar and their SSN.
Send $1 & your SSN to..." -- DarkFiber / BlockIP.org
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Reality_Check wrote:
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
Please, point out a few.
====================
You're really good at posting large volumes of crap. Why not just
answer the question? Simply? And what's up with your quoting? Have you
not figured out OE or something??
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I should have known you were an ignoramus :
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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Reality_Check wrote:
So keep lying, asswipe.
Nice liberalism there.
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She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church, which
runs the school.
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Reality_Check wrote:
As are the words Muslim and Islamist as used in 1000s of U$ media
propaganda
every single day.
You're really good at posting large volumes of crap. Why not just
answer the question? Simply? And what's up with your quoting? Have you
not figured out OE or something??
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I should have known you were an ignoramus :
She also had volunteered until a couple of years ago at Micah Baptist
School
in Hillview, said Troy Chester, a deacon at Marysville Baptist Church,
which
runs the school.
My neighbor's kid works as a lifeguard at a place called the Jewish
Community Center.
The kid mentioned in the sentence above is a devout Catholic.
You are an idiot.
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