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What is the name of your state? Indiana
I am the father of 2 children, who live with me. I also have a
girlfriend who has 2 children. They live here as well. We have been
together just over a year. My girlfriend's daughter is 12. She has
been a chronic bed wetter since 2. Not consistent, she has long spells
of not peeing the bed, and then she starts up again Her doctor
noticed white blood cells in her urine a few weeks ago. She was also
diagnosed with a urinary tract infection. For some reason, Child
Protection Services (Cps) called my girlfriend today. They believe the
peeing, and blood cells, and infection, somehow point to sexual
molestation. Now I have serious panic attacks and Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder. As well as a hefty case of paranoia. Being that I am the
primary male figure in her life (her dad is out of state) I can't help
feeling that that makes me an instant suspect. I see movies and such
all the time where innocent people get arrested and jailed. Put on
trial, whatever horrible things happen. Though her daughter swears no
one has touched her,especially me, and there could be absolutely no
evidence that I did anything inappropriate, since I didn't. My
paranoia keeps sending me visions of police at my door, handcuffs, a
jail cell. I need some sort of reassurance. I have worried myself
physically ill. I feel nauseous. Please tell me something. I am poor,
and have no money to defend myself legally, God forbid I would ever
need to. Please help.
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whiplash41594@gmail.com wrote in news:6d9e1ca5-504a-4096-8e87-
6e9f44e871bf@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
What is the name of your state? Indiana
I am the father of 2 children, who live with me. I also have a
girlfriend who has 2 children. They live here as well. We have been
together just over a year. My girlfriend's daughter is 12. She has
been a chronic bed wetter since 2. Not consistent, she has long spells
of not peeing the bed, and then she starts up again Her doctor
noticed white blood cells in her urine a few weeks ago. She was also
diagnosed with a urinary tract infection. For some reason, Child
Protection Services (Cps) called my girlfriend today.
Just a guess, but the doctor might have called CPS since he's a mandatory
reporter. The doctor could be just as nervous as you only about failing
to report a suspicion that turns out to be abuse.
They believe the
peeing, and blood cells, and infection, somehow point to sexual
molestation. Now I have serious panic attacks and Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder.
How do you know they believe this? They're bound by law to investigate
every report.
As well as a hefty case of paranoia. Being that I am the
primary male figure in her life (her dad is out of state) I can't help
feeling that that makes me an instant suspect. I see movies and such
all the time where innocent people get arrested and jailed. Put on
trial, whatever horrible things happen. Though her daughter swears no
one has touched her,especially me, and there could be absolutely no
evidence that I did anything inappropriate, since I didn't. My
paranoia keeps sending me visions of police at my door, handcuffs, a
jail cell. I need some sort of reassurance. I have worried myself
physically ill. I feel nauseous. Please tell me something. I am poor,
and have no money to defend myself legally, God forbid I would ever
need to. Please help.
You can't get help here. I'm not trying to be callous, but this is a
newsgroup and shouldn't be taken seriously when dealing with serious
problems.
Your girlfriend has an appointment to talk to the CPS investigator, no?
CPS will tell her exactly what they need to dismiss the report. Perhaps
another doctor's exam. Perhaps a chat in private with the girl. Find
out before you panic.
*** I am not a lawyer, so this can't be legal advice. ***
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:36:15 -0700 (PDT), whiplash41594@gmail.com
wrote:
What is the name of your state? Indiana
I am the father of 2 children, who live with me. I also have a
girlfriend who has 2 children. They live here as well. We have been
together just over a year. My girlfriend's daughter is 12. She has
been a chronic bed wetter since 2. Not consistent, she has long spells
of not peeing the bed, and then she starts up again Her doctor
noticed white blood cells in her urine a few weeks ago. She was also
diagnosed with a urinary tract infection. For some reason, Child
Protection Services (Cps) called my girlfriend today. They believe the
peeing, and blood cells, and infection, somehow point to sexual
molestation.
Dumbass bastards. First off, ask your girlfriend if she was a
bedwetter or if the father was.
It is a known fact that bedwetting is hereditary. Most likely, daddy
was one. And there are other medical reasons as to why these things
happens. None of which have to do with molestation.
The doctor probably is forced by law to contact CPS and let them know
the girl's conditions.
If I were you, contact the CPS and read them the riot act. Seriously.
You come into my home at any time without a warrant, a police officer,
you'll get met with a hell of a battle of the wits as well as a
lawsuit.
Now I have serious panic attacks and Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder. As well as a hefty case of paranoia. Being that I am the
primary male figure in her life (her dad is out of state) I can't help
feeling that that makes me an instant suspect. I see movies and such
all the time where innocent people get arrested and jailed. Put on
trial, whatever horrible things happen. Though her daughter swears no
one has touched her,especially me, and there could be absolutely no
evidence that I did anything inappropriate, since I didn't. My
paranoia keeps sending me visions of police at my door, handcuffs, a
jail cell. I need some sort of reassurance. I have worried myself
physically ill. I feel nauseous. Please tell me something. I am poor,
and have no money to defend myself legally, God forbid I would ever
need to. Please help.
I feel for ya. I know what you're saying.
Maybe you should make an appointment to see the local DA and make damn
sure the CPS people are there as well. You have the girl on hand and
make damn sure all understand that if CPS even considers acting, that
you'll fight them tooth and nail.
And it never hurt to get a second or third opinion.
Good luck. Bash them bastards good. Most of them have no training what
so ever.
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richard <i.do.not@ca.re> wrote in news:u59f04pn938auv1h3n6o461rt8kggt6378
@4ax.com:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:36:15 -0700 (PDT), whiplash41594@gmail.com
wrote:
Dumbass bastards. First off, ask your girlfriend if she was a
bedwetter or if the father was.
It is a known fact that bedwetting is hereditary.
How about your condition?
Most likely, daddy was one.
Was your daddy this ignorant?
And there are other medical reasons as to why these things
happens. None of which have to do with molestation.
Of course. Do you think CPS is even concerned with bedwetting?
The doctor probably is forced by law to contact CPS and let them know
the girl's conditions.
Yeah, probably. So what does this tell you about the right course of
action?
If I were you, contact the CPS and read them the riot act.
Yeah, that'll scare 'em silly.
Seriously.
You come into my home at any time without a warrant, a police officer,
And they'll have no trouble getting one, so why waste everyone's time?
If they have a complaint, they have to investigate.
you'll get met with a hell of a battle of the wits
As you're generally unarmed, don't take your own advice.
as well as a lawsuit.
From which CPS will have immunity.
Now I have serious panic attacks and Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder. As well as a hefty case of paranoia. Being that I am the
primary male figure in her life (her dad is out of state) I can't help
feeling that that makes me an instant suspect. I see movies and such
all the time where innocent people get arrested and jailed. Put on
trial, whatever horrible things happen. Though her daughter swears no
one has touched her,especially me, and there could be absolutely no
evidence that I did anything inappropriate, since I didn't. My
paranoia keeps sending me visions of police at my door, handcuffs, a
jail cell. I need some sort of reassurance. I have worried myself
physically ill. I feel nauseous. Please tell me something. I am poor,
and have no money to defend myself legally, God forbid I would ever
need to. Please help.
I feel for ya. I know what you're saying.
Maybe you should make an appointment to see the local DA and make damn
sure the CPS people are there as well.
Why would the local DA care at this point? There's been no allegation of
criminal action. There's been a notification, probably from a mandatory
reporter. CPS will investigate.
You have the girl on hand and
make damn sure all understand that if CPS even considers acting, that
you'll fight them tooth and nail.
For what? They haven't done anything yet. They will investigate. If
all's well, they'll probably close the case without action. They'll
probably interview the girl in private, and if she says there's been no
molestation, that may well conclude things.
Of course there are cases where the innocent get unjustly accused, but I
don't see how acting belligerent and (dare it say it?) defensive at the
outset is going to help.
And it never hurt to get a second or third opinion.
Good luck. Bash them bastards good.
There's a useful stance.
Most of them have no training what so ever.
Do you have any evidence for this assertion?
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:37:51 -0700, richard <i.do.not@ca.re> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:36:15 -0700 (PDT), whiplash41594@gmail.com
wrote:
Dumbass bastards. First off, ask your girlfriend if she was a
bedwetter or if the father was.
It is a known fact that bedwetting is hereditary.
Known by whom?
Most likely, daddy
was one. And there are other medical reasons as to why these things
happens. None of which have to do with molestation.
A medical exam will rule out many forms of molestation. If her
vagina shows no signs of trauma, it's a safe bet she's still a virgin.
Better still if her hymen is intact.
However, penetration is not needed for molestation to have
occurred.
And bed wetting is common with molested children. I don't know
about the blood in the urine. That is more probably due to the UTI.
The doctor probably is forced by law to contact CPS and let them know
the girl's conditions.
If the doctor reasonably suspects molestation, or any other form
of abuse, yes.
If I were you, contact the CPS and read them the riot act.
DUMB idea!
Seriously.
You come into my home at any time without a warrant, a police officer,
you'll get met with a hell of a battle of the wits as well as a
lawsuit.
CPS is not a law enforcement agency.
I feel for ya. I know what you're saying.
Maybe you should make an appointment to see the local DA and make damn
sure the CPS people are there as well. You have the girl on hand and
make damn sure all understand that if CPS even considers acting, that
you'll fight them tooth and nail.
Fighting them is a good idea, but NOT the way you suggest.
The OP would do well to seek out whatever public aide legal
assistance he can about the matter. If he is to have a meeting with
CPS, he should see if someone from legal aide can be there as well.
And it never hurt to get a second or third opinion.
Good luck. Bash them bastards good. Most of them have no training what
so ever.
They are trained. They have fairly rigid training, actually.
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:46:12 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:37:51 -0700, richard <i.do.not@ca.re> wrote:
Known by whom?
Google returned 83,000 plus hits on the subject.
On the first 100 hits, most agreed that bed wetting (enuresis) is
primarily heriditary.
A medical exam will rule out many forms of molestation. If her
vagina shows no signs of trauma, it's a safe bet she's still a virgin.
Better still if her hymen is intact.
However, penetration is not needed for molestation to have
occurred.
No #@($ sherlock.
And bed wetting is common with molested children. I don't know
about the blood in the urine. That is more probably due to the UTI.
Really? Probably another myth brought about by hollywood writers
wanting a little unfounded drama.
If the doctor reasonably suspects molestation, or any other form
of abuse, yes.
DUMB idea!
CPS is not a law enforcement agency.
Then they can't enter my home without a warrant or an officer of the
law present. Yet, they routinely take kids away from parents based
upon very loose allegations.
Fighting them is a good idea, but NOT the way you suggest.
The OP would do well to seek out whatever public aide legal
assistance he can about the matter. If he is to have a meeting with
CPS, he should see if someone from legal aide can be there as well.
They are trained. They have fairly rigid training, actually.
Trained as uncaring assholes.
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:16:29 -0700, richard <i.do.not@ca.re> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:46:12 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:
Google returned 83,000 plus hits on the subject.
On the first 100 hits, most agreed that bed wetting (enuresis) is
primarily heriditary.
Can you offer a medical cite?
As children grow, bed wetting is common. However, this isn't
because of heredity as you present it. It's because their bladder
isn't developing at the same rate as the rest of the body. Also,
their body hasn't yet trained itself to recognize when the bladder
needs to void while sleeping.
For most adults, this isn't a problem. If they need to void while
sleeping, they'll wake up.
On would hope a 12 year old's development would be such that they
would wake up, but this isn't always the case.
In the OP's situation, I would presume it's a case of an
underdeveloped bladder if there is no indication of molestation.
No #@($ sherlock.
You frequently show that you need to have things spelled out for
you.
Really?
Yes.
Probably another myth brought about by hollywood writers
wanting a little unfounded drama.
It's not an end-all symptom, but it is common.
A child, even at age 12, wetting the bed isn't enough to state
there was molestation, but with other evidence it can make a case.
Then they can't enter my home without a warrant or an officer of the
law present.
Actually, they can. Since CPS isn't a law enforcement agency,
they aren't held to the same requirements.
It would be very odd for a case worker to simply barge into
someone's home. Only if they were stopping by and actually witnessed
some form of abuse would one realistically consider it.
But then, I would do the same thing, with NO feelings of guilt
over doing it.
Yet, they routinely take kids away from parents based
upon very loose allegations.
No, they INVESTIGATE based on a complaint. They can't remove
children without cause.
And they have to show just cause before a judge within a certain
amount of time after the removal. If they can't, the child(ren) are
returned.
Now I have serious panic attacks and Obsessive Compulsive
Disorder. As well as a hefty case of paranoia. Being that I am the
primary male figure in her life (her dad is out of state) I can't help
feeling that that makes me an instant suspect. I see movies and such
all the time where innocent people get arrested and jailed. Put on
trial, whatever horrible things happen. Though her daughter swears no
one has touched her,especially me, and there could be absolutely no
evidence that I did anything inappropriate, since I didn't. My
paranoia keeps sending me visions of police at my door, handcuffs, a
jail cell. I need some sort of reassurance. I have worried myself
physically ill. I feel nauseous. Please tell me something. I am poor,
and have no money to defend myself legally, God forbid I would ever
need to. Please help.
I feel for ya. I know what you're saying.
Maybe you should make an appointment to see the local DA and make damn
sure the CPS people are there as well. You have the girl on hand and
make damn sure all understand that if CPS even considers acting, that
you'll fight them tooth and nail.
Fighting them is a good idea, but NOT the way you suggest.
The OP would do well to seek out whatever public aide legal
assistance he can about the matter. If he is to have a meeting with
CPS, he should see if someone from legal aide can be there as well.
And it never hurt to get a second or third opinion.
Good luck. Bash them bastards good. Most of them have no training what
so ever.
They are trained. They have fairly rigid training, actually.
Trained as uncaring assholes.
Not so. But I will examine any evidence you present that
supports your claim.
--
Vegetarian: Indian word for lousy hunter.
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In article <dcnj04tqsgkncktt6cedjvc8fbh8u3c8q6@4ax.com>,
Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:16:29 -0700, richard <i.do.not@ca.re> wrote:
CPS is not a law enforcement agency.
Actually, they can. Since CPS isn't a law enforcement agency,
they aren't held to the same requirements.
They are a government agency, and subject to the Constitution.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall
issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Do you see an exception for CPS in there?
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